Unemployment Rate Falls to 6 Percent in October As Companies Add New Jobs for Third Month!

[rufruf44]

Originally posted by: rudder

Originally posted by: rufruf44

Originally posted by: UnemployedMay2001

Originally posted by: tnitsuj


Get over it. Manufacturing jobs are dead. Get new skills and training people.

People like you are prime examples of what is wrong with this country. That has got to be the stooopidest thing I have ever heard in my life.

I don't think that statement was wrong, crude perhaps, but right on the mark. Manufacturing is dying a slow death in the US. It'll be to their own advantage for people in those fields to retrain for something else before their job is gone.

We should never abandon manufacturing jobs. Pretty soon we will just be country that just sells Chinese made crap to each other all day. And how do you think your wages will be in twenty years when all those ex-manufacturing employees are competing for your job.

If that is your attitude we can easily say the same thing for software development, engineering, and any other field that can be done cheaper by someone overseas.

I like to bethe optimist when it comes to these recent empoyment reports, but lets not get lulled into thinking everything is all of a sudden fine and dandy.

I'm never a proponent of abandoning those manufacturing job, but unfortunately i'm not the CEO of those billions dollar company making the decision. And for them, everything has too be looked at with $$$ tag assign to it. American public has been demanding cheaper and cheaper stuff, as well as profit to gush out from these companies. In order to satisfy the public demand and the stockholder, they might no have any choice rather than moved overseas where's cheaper so they can cut cost and increase profit. And you also mentioned software development,etc, as you can see in the news, the shift has began a few years back and the number kept growing.

Of course its always better to kept thing in the US, but I don't want to be a hypocrite either, since if the role is reversed and I sit on those CEO chair, I don't think I'll do it differently than them. Its all about turning out profit for the company. I won't argue whether thats right or wrong (its clearly wrong inmy mind), but thats what most business is all about.

 

[djNickb]

11-4-2003 Job Cuts More Than Double in October

then

11-6-2003 Jobless Claims Plunge, Productivity Soars

Can someone calmly explain this with linkable facts

Thanks

 

[UnemployedMay2001]

Originally posted by: dirtboy

Originally posted by: UnemployedMay2001

Originally posted by: dirtboy

Originally posted by: UnemployedMay2001
No CAD, I am just a realist. All this "good news" means nothing to those out of work.

You're right, it doesn't mean anything because being out of work sucks. But if all you do is spend your day online crying about how there is no work, then perhaps your situation isn't as bad as you make it out to be.

The fact of the matter is that you are faced with the stark reality that you may have to relocate, reinvent yourself and make changes to find employment. Rather than doing something about it, you come here and cry. Boo hoo.

You say there are no jobs. I can open my local paper and see atleast three full pages of jobs. If you want to work so bad, which I don't believe you do, try coming here.

Note to self, anyone who has a US flag as their avitar is an a$$hole. Check. Retard, I said I stopped looking for work about 2 years ago. I am no longer looking as I am pretty happy with what I do from home. I make decent money when customers can afford to pay their invoice and sorry but fvck you, don't really care to relocate at the present time just because you tell me I should. You are the cry baby! Seems like you have just as much free time on your hands to post here you hypocrite. But that is pretty much all your little mind can spew anyhow is boo hoo rhetoric.

Pwned.

Check cry baby. I don't read all your mindless drible.

First you come here crying about how there is no work, only to tell us that you are actually working.

I'm not a hypocrite. You know nothing about me or my employment situation now do you? That's what I thought.

Einstien, self-employment is not employment. But you knew that already right? Instead of feeling sorry for myself, I did something about it and used the skills at hand to cold call, sell, design, and develop websites. Isn't that the RIGHT thing to do? You know so much about me. Would I like to benefits so I don't have to pay doctors bills and prescription meds out of pocket? Hell ya. Unfortunetly, most can not foot even the cheapest family plan. I am no exception. Can I be pissed about the situation in this country regarding unemployment while being self-employed with your blessings now? Sheesh

 

[djNickb]

Originally posted by: tallest1
Given the rate of outsourcing, I wonder how long it will be until someone says "Get over it. Service-based jobs are dead. Get new skills and training people."

This is one of my greatest causes for concern -- In another thread (can't remember which one) For a long time manufacturing jobs have been outsourced overseas to cheap labor while the services industry was relatively untouched and comprised a significant chunk of middle America. However, now that many of divisions of labor in the services sector (as it was said in another thread that any job that can be done in front of a computer is or potentially could be shipped overseas as well) are at risk to disappearing what kind of positions aside from Mickey D's (Yes there are some in Detroit with Mickey D's on the big sign) and WalMart will be worth retraining and reeducating for? What will be left, entertainment and financial services? Someone tell me, will the job you get reeducated for still be there when you finally complete your next line of schooling. Everyone here seems to be able to discredit everyone elses posts about what is really wrong with our economy and job situation and why 'so and so' can't find a job, however I can't even recall in any of the posts I've read where anyone has offered any useful insight in to where everyone is going to find GAINFUL employment in the future. If the future is a global economy

 

[rufruf44]

Originally posted by: djNickb

Originally posted by: tallest1
Given the rate of outsourcing, I wonder how long it will be until someone says "Get over it. Service-based jobs are dead. Get new skills and training people."

This is one of my greatest causes for concern -- In another thread (can't remember which one) For a long time manufacturing jobs have been outsourced overseas to cheap labor while the services industry was relatively untouched and comprised a significant chunk of middle America. However, now that many of divisions of labor in the services sector (as it was said in another thread that any job that can be done in front of a computer is or potentially could be shipped overseas as well) are at risk to disappearing what kind of positions aside from Mickey D's (Yes there are some in Detroit with Mickey D's on the big sign) and WalMart will be worth retraining and reeducating for? What will be left, entertainment and financial services? Someone tell me, will the job you get reeducated for still be there when you finally complete your next line of schooling. Everyone here seems to be able to discredit everyone elses posts about what is really wrong with our economy and job situation and why 'so and so' can't find a job, however I can't even recall in any of the posts I've read where anyone has offered any useful insight in to where everyone is going to find GAINFUL employment in the future. If the future is a global economy

As long as the other countries has the advantage of cheap labor, it'll be hard for US based worker to compete with them. Especially with the advancement of technology making the distance matters more trivial. But you have to also realizes that by moving job overseas, indirectly it'll cause the standard of living there to go upward also. There're a lot of new IT professional in India who's standard of living has gone up tremendously due to outsourcing. And what did they do? They bought US brand like NIKE, afford cell phones like Motorolla and Nokia, etc. Eventually, I would hope it will reach an equilibrium where it can be more beneficial to both, instead of being one sided as it is right now.

Of course, if you want an easy fix, the government can always slap an import tariff and hefty penalties to everything not made in USA, as well as more incentives for keeping domestic business from jumping the bandwagon.

 

[dirtboy]

Originally posted by: djNickb

Originally posted by: tallest1
Given the rate of outsourcing, I wonder how long it will be until someone says "Get over it. Service-based jobs are dead. Get new skills and training people."

This is one of my greatest causes for concern -- In another thread (can't remember which one) For a long time manufacturing jobs have been outsourced overseas to cheap labor while the services industry was relatively untouched and comprised a significant chunk of middle America. However, now that many of divisions of labor in the services sector (as it was said in another thread that any job that can be done in front of a computer is or potentially could be shipped overseas as well) are at risk to disappearing what kind of positions aside from Mickey D's (Yes there are some in Detroit with Mickey D's on the big sign) and WalMart will be worth retraining and reeducating for? What will be left, entertainment and financial services? Someone tell me, will the job you get reeducated for still be there when you finally complete your next line of schooling. Everyone here seems to be able to discredit everyone elses posts about what is really wrong with our economy and job situation and why 'so and so' can't find a job, however I can't even recall in any of the posts I've read where anyone has offered any useful insight in to where everyone is going to find GAINFUL employment in the future. If the future is a global economy

This should not cause concern. Many people feared that NAFTA would a majority of American's unemployed. Those that lacked a proper understanding of economics did everything they could to stop it. What happened after NAFTA? In the short run, American's lost. In the long run there was an increase in trade between Canada, the US, and Mexico, and we have all benefited.

A global economy without trade restrictions and sanctions is a good thing.

 

[djNickb]

Originally posted by: rufruf44

Originally posted by: djNickb

Originally posted by: tallest1
Given the rate of outsourcing, I wonder how long it will be until someone says "Get over it. Service-based jobs are dead. Get new skills and training people."

This is one of my greatest causes for concern -- In another thread (can't remember which one) For a long time manufacturing jobs have been outsourced overseas to cheap labor while the services industry was relatively untouched and comprised a significant chunk of middle America. However, now that many of divisions of labor in the services sector (as it was said in another thread that any job that can be done in front of a computer is or potentially could be shipped overseas as well) are at risk to disappearing what kind of positions aside from Mickey D's (Yes there are some in Detroit with Mickey D's on the big sign) and WalMart will be worth retraining and reeducating for? What will be left, entertainment and financial services? Someone tell me, will the job you get reeducated for still be there when you finally complete your next line of schooling. Everyone here seems to be able to discredit everyone elses posts about what is really wrong with our economy and job situation and why 'so and so' can't find a job, however I can't even recall in any of the posts I've read where anyone has offered any useful insight in to where everyone is going to find GAINFUL employment in the future. If the future is a global economy

As long as the other countries has the advantage of cheap labor, it'll be hard for US based worker to compete with them. Especially with the advancement of technology making the distance matters more trivial. But you have to also realizes that by moving job overseas, indirectly it'll cause the standard of living there to go upward also. There're a lot of new IT professional in India who's standard of living has gone up tremendously due to outsourcing. And what did they do? They bought US brand like NIKE, afford cell phones like Motorolla and Nokia, etc. Eventually, I would hope it will reach an equilibrium where it can be more beneficial to both, instead of being one sided as it is right now.

Of course, if you want an easy fix, the government can always slap an import tariff and hefty penalties to everything not made in USA, as well as more incentives for keeping domestic business from jumping the bandwagon.

Did you even read my post? I am asking what will be our role in the global economy if manufacturing is too expensive to do here and services are following the same route. What does Nike manufacture here? What kind of jobs does Nike have in the US that arent corporate or executive positions? Nokia and Motorolla, where is their manufacturing done? So based on your post our standard of living will go up based on IT people in India buying American goods that are not produced in America by Americans. Aside from executives and shareholders, how does the American worker benefit? In case there are any questions --- these are legitimate questions that I would like answered, I am not trying to incite more finger pointing and arguing.

 

[rufruf44]

Originally posted by: djNickb

Originally posted by: rufruf44

Originally posted by: djNickb

Originally posted by: tallest1
Given the rate of outsourcing, I wonder how long it will be until someone says "Get over it. Service-based jobs are dead. Get new skills and training people."

This is one of my greatest causes for concern -- In another thread (can't remember which one) For a long time manufacturing jobs have been outsourced overseas to cheap labor while the services industry was relatively untouched and comprised a significant chunk of middle America. However, now that many of divisions of labor in the services sector (as it was said in another thread that any job that can be done in front of a computer is or potentially could be shipped overseas as well) are at risk to disappearing what kind of positions aside from Mickey D's (Yes there are some in Detroit with Mickey D's on the big sign) and WalMart will be worth retraining and reeducating for? What will be left, entertainment and financial services? Someone tell me, will the job you get reeducated for still be there when you finally complete your next line of schooling. Everyone here seems to be able to discredit everyone elses posts about what is really wrong with our economy and job situation and why 'so and so' can't find a job, however I can't even recall in any of the posts I've read where anyone has offered any useful insight in to where everyone is going to find GAINFUL employment in the future. If the future is a global economy

As long as the other countries has the advantage of cheap labor, it'll be hard for US based worker to compete with them. Especially with the advancement of technology making the distance matters more trivial. But you have to also realizes that by moving job overseas, indirectly it'll cause the standard of living there to go upward also. There're a lot of new IT professional in India who's standard of living has gone up tremendously due to outsourcing. And what did they do? They bought US brand like NIKE, afford cell phones like Motorolla and Nokia, etc. Eventually, I would hope it will reach an equilibrium where it can be more beneficial to both, instead of being one sided as it is right now.

Of course, if you want an easy fix, the government can always slap an import tariff and hefty penalties to everything not made in USA, as well as more incentives for keeping domestic business from jumping the bandwagon.

Did you even read my post? I am asking what will be our role in the global economy if manufacturing is too expensive to do here and services are following the same route. What does Nike manufacture here? What kind of jobs does Nike have in the US that arent corporate or executive positions? Nokia and Motorolla, where is their manufacturing done? So based on your post our standard of living will go up based on IT people in India buying American goods that are not produced in America by Americans. Aside from executives and shareholders, how does the American worker benefit? In case there are any questions --- these are legitimate questions that I would like answered, I am not trying to incite more finger pointing and arguing.

The same american worker also demands cheaper and cheaper price on a lot of items, they got that when cost was slashed when it is outsourced overseas. As far as Nike, whom do you think design the shoes? There're lot of Motorolla engineers who are Americans and with more profit, they can hire more Americans as well. Thats why Americans need to continue be in the edge when it comes to new development and technology, but lately, the Chinese and Indian has been doing a remarkable job to keep up, and even outperform their American counterpart (at least in the IT field).
Of course, this is all just my theory. Instead of just asking question, why don't you try to find the answer yourself?

 

[dirtboy]

Originally posted by: djNickb

Originally posted by: rufruf44

Originally posted by: djNickb

Originally posted by: tallest1
Given the rate of outsourcing, I wonder how long it will be until someone says "Get over it. Service-based jobs are dead. Get new skills and training people."

This is one of my greatest causes for concern -- In another thread (can't remember which one) For a long time manufacturing jobs have been outsourced overseas to cheap labor while the services industry was relatively untouched and comprised a significant chunk of middle America. However, now that many of divisions of labor in the services sector (as it was said in another thread that any job that can be done in front of a computer is or potentially could be shipped overseas as well) are at risk to disappearing what kind of positions aside from Mickey D's (Yes there are some in Detroit with Mickey D's on the big sign) and WalMart will be worth retraining and reeducating for? What will be left, entertainment and financial services? Someone tell me, will the job you get reeducated for still be there when you finally complete your next line of schooling. Everyone here seems to be able to discredit everyone elses posts about what is really wrong with our economy and job situation and why 'so and so' can't find a job, however I can't even recall in any of the posts I've read where anyone has offered any useful insight in to where everyone is going to find GAINFUL employment in the future. If the future is a global economy

As long as the other countries has the advantage of cheap labor, it'll be hard for US based worker to compete with them. Especially with the advancement of technology making the distance matters more trivial. But you have to also realizes that by moving job overseas, indirectly it'll cause the standard of living there to go upward also. There're a lot of new IT professional in India who's standard of living has gone up tremendously due to outsourcing. And what did they do? They bought US brand like NIKE, afford cell phones like Motorolla and Nokia, etc. Eventually, I would hope it will reach an equilibrium where it can be more beneficial to both, instead of being one sided as it is right now.

Of course, if you want an easy fix, the government can always slap an import tariff and hefty penalties to everything not made in USA, as well as more incentives for keeping domestic business from jumping the bandwagon.

Did you even read my post? I am asking what will be our role in the global economy if manufacturing is too expensive to do here and services are following the same route. What does Nike manufacture here? What kind of jobs does Nike have in the US that arent corporate or executive positions? Nokia and Motorolla, where is their manufacturing done? So based on your post our standard of living will go up based on IT people in India buying American goods that are not produced in America by Americans. Aside from executives and shareholders, how does the American worker benefit? In case there are any questions --- these are legitimate questions that I would like answered, I am not trying to incite more finger pointing and arguing.

That same question was brought up when NAFTA was passed and everyone thought all the manufacturing jobs were going to go to Mexico. The answer is that just because labor is cheap, doesn't not mean it is good. Some manufacturing flourishes on cheap, unskilled labor. Other manufacturing requires skilled, efficient workers. Again, a balance will be found.

 

[rjain]

But what about the FARMERS? Will somebody think about the FARMERS? The FARMING industry is in a DEPRESSION!!

 

[djNickb]

I eat meat but this is still good

Meatrix


If everyone's standard of living is going to increase to levels nearer our own, how is the planet itself going to sustain it?

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: UnemployedMay2001

Originally posted by: alchemize
Just curious, UM2001, how many resume's have you sent out this morning? How many phone calls have you made? What self-study courses have you enrolled for or worked on?

Oh, you're too busy posting about how it isn't your fault...heck you are so obsessed it is your darn nickname.

I promise you, if my # comes up and I'm out of a job, that I likey have 2 jobs lined up (albeit at lower pay) based on my relationships with previous employers.

My sympathy is reserved for those that are spending their time looking for a job, not bickering about the #'s and how rough their situation is how they just "pwned" a (employed) person who has a different opinion than them. I'm just shocked nobody wants to hire you. Take a look in Moonie's mirror.

Did I say I was looking for a job? I like self-employment very much thank you, when I can afford it. Do I put out my resume every so often to test the waters, sure. Should I take an even $12 hour an hour job right now when I can potentially make on a good month $5 grand? Don't think so. See, I am concerned with all the people who are unemployed right now or have fallen off their UE benefits. Are you? How many people have YOU helped today? How many charities have YOU designed free websites for today? How many children have YOU tought a skill to today that they can use in the future? Exactly what I thought. You don't know a damn thing about me so STFU. And btw- pwned.

Since you asked, I haven't done any of those things today. Because I have a job. Because my employers, previous employers, and current and previous coworkers like me and think I do an excellent job. I'd love to hear the impression your previous employers have of you...

But I'm not the one trumpeting "woe is me woe is me" and saying "McDonalds won't hire me". Why don't you change your nick and stop claiming you are unemployed, because you aren't. Liar.

I'm not some rags to riches story. I'm just a reasonably intelligent hard worker who has improved and diversified his skills, and is now reaping the rewards with career and financial stability.

I know plenty about you...you are just a whiny loser who wants to blame the economy, the job market, the geography, and the vast right wing conspiracy for his misfortunes. Generally folks who say "pwned" fall into that category, because being a successful worker/manager/consultant/technician isn't about who you've "pwned" lately, it's who you've established a good relationship with. But you apparently like to learn lessons the hard way...

PS If you are so poor and down trodden, why aren't you making cold calls for the next gig? Why aren't you working on your portfolio? You're not gonna hit 5K a month whining on here...

 

[UnemployedMay2001]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: UnemployedMay2001

Originally posted by: alchemize
Just curious, UM2001, how many resume's have you sent out this morning? How many phone calls have you made? What self-study courses have you enrolled for or worked on?

Oh, you're too busy posting about how it isn't your fault...heck you are so obsessed it is your darn nickname.

I promise you, if my # comes up and I'm out of a job, that I likey have 2 jobs lined up (albeit at lower pay) based on my relationships with previous employers.

My sympathy is reserved for those that are spending their time looking for a job, not bickering about the #'s and how rough their situation is how they just "pwned" a (employed) person who has a different opinion than them. I'm just shocked nobody wants to hire you. Take a look in Moonie's mirror.

Did I say I was looking for a job? I like self-employment very much thank you, when I can afford it. Do I put out my resume every so often to test the waters, sure. Should I take an even $12 hour an hour job right now when I can potentially make on a good month $5 grand? Don't think so. See, I am concerned with all the people who are unemployed right now or have fallen off their UE benefits. Are you? How many people have YOU helped today? How many charities have YOU designed free websites for today? How many children have YOU tought a skill to today that they can use in the future? Exactly what I thought. You don't know a damn thing about me so STFU. And btw- pwned.

Since you asked, I haven't done any of those things today. Because I have a job. Because my employers, previous employers, and current and previous coworkers like me and think I do an excellent job. I'd love to hear the impression your previous employers have of you...

But I'm not the one trumpeting "woe is me woe is me" and saying "McDonalds won't hire me". Why don't you change your nick and stop claiming you are unemployed, because you aren't. Liar.

I'm not some rags to riches story. I'm just a reasonably intelligent hard worker who has improved and diversified his skills, and is now reaping the rewards with career and financial stability.

I know plenty about you...you are just a whiny loser who wants to blame the economy, the job market, the geography, and the vast right wing conspiracy for his misfortunes. Generally folks who say "pwned" fall into that category, because being a successful worker/manager/consultant/technician isn't about who you've "pwned" lately, it's who you've established a good relationship with. But you apparently like to learn lessons the hard way...

PS If you are so poor and down trodden, why aren't you making cold calls for the next gig? Why aren't you working on your portfolio? You're not gonna hit 5K a month whining on here...

Your co-workers laugh at you behind your back, don't kid YOURself. I didn't loose my job, my job lost me when they went out of business after 6 years of solid growth. Wake up, not every unemployed person had something to do with the fate of their lost job, dummy.

I know much about you as well, you think that because you are doing OK where you live, that everyone else who is not in the same situation can go fvck themselves. You don't care about anyone other than yourself and that is clearly evident in your statement regarding misfortune. You think you know a lot, but truth is I have forgotten more in my days than you will ever know. Why aren't YOU at work now working on those wonderful relationships you have with bosses and co-workers alike? Why are YOU here whining about someone elses perception of the problems in this country. They don't agree with yours so they must be wrong. Now hush noob, I am sure you have some more pressing concerns in CA than worrying about the auto industry here in Michigan. You are SO patriotic!

 

[CADsortaGUY]

n/m

 

[rjain]

Originally posted by: UnemployedMay2001

Your co-workers laugh at you behind your back, don't kid YOURself. I didn't loose my job, my job lost me ...

... You think you know a lot, but truth is I have forgotten more in my days than you will ever know. ... Now hush noob, I am sure you have some more pressing concerns in CA than worrying about the auto industry here in Michigan. You are SO patriotic!

Wow, nice impression of an excessively arrogant, insecure, immature, belligerent, emotionally-scarred-and-trying-to-hurt-others-for-it person with no marketable skills whatsoever. :beer:

 

[alchemize]

N/M, I'll end it too. UM2001's posts speak for themselves.

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: Buckfush

Originally posted by: alchemize
N/M, I'll end it too. UM2001's posts speak for themselves.

Typical.

Someone with that nickname could use a vacation.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: Tabb

Originally posted by: Buckfush

Originally posted by: alchemize
N/M, I'll end it too. UM2001's posts speak for themselves.

Typical.

Someone with that nickname could use a vacation.

BOBDN back with a new IP? Not sure how someone on their 1st post could characterize that as "typical"

 

[glenn1]

Your co-workers laugh at you behind your back, don't kid YOURself. I didn't loose my job, my job lost me when they went out of business after 6 years of solid growth. Wake up, not every unemployed person had something to do with the fate of their lost job, dummy.

I know much about you as well, you think that because you are doing OK where you live, that everyone else who is not in the same situation can go fvck themselves. You don't care about anyone other than yourself and that is clearly evident in your statement regarding misfortune. You think you know a lot, but truth is I have forgotten more in my days than you will ever know. Why aren't YOU at work now working on those wonderful relationships you have with bosses and co-workers alike? Why are YOU here whining about someone elses perception of the problems in this country. They don't agree with yours so they must be wrong. Now hush noob, I am sure you have some more pressing concerns in CA than worrying about the auto industry here in Michigan. You are SO patriotic!

You deserve to be unemployed, you arrogant prick. I wouldn't hire you if you asked to work for free. Take the freaking chip off your shoulder and stop acting like you're owed an job that will be up to your standards and start doing something to make someone WANT to hire you.