Unemployment down, wages up

ProfJohn

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As usual, great economic news is being under reported.
The February unemployment rated dropped to 4.5%, about as low as you can get.
And even better wages are UP to $17.16, a 4.1% over last years rate of $16.49.
An increase that large is great news and proof that we have a strong economy in which nearly everyone is benifiting.

My question is why is this news buried? Not even on the front page of yahoo.com, had to seach for it in the business section.
The story is full of good economic news, I bolded the important things.
link
WASHINGTON - The unemployment rate dipped to 4.5 percent and workers got fatter paychecks in February, even as bad winter weather sent a bit of a chill through U.S. job growth.

The latest employment picture, released by the Labor Department on Friday, suggested employers are holding up well and opportunities continue for jobseekers as the economy deals with a sluggish spell, a housing slump and troubles in the automotive industry.

Employers ? both private companies and the government ? added a total of 97,000 new jobs to their payrolls in February, the fewest in two years. Lousy winter weather was blamed for much of the slower job growth.

Construction companies ? already feeling the strain of the ailing housing market ? slashed 62,000 jobs in February, the most in 16 years, as nasty weather hit many parts of the country.

Meanwhile, factories, coping with slowing economic conditions at home and intense competition from abroad, continued to cut jobs. They eliminated 14,000 positions last month.

Those job losses, however, were eclipsed by employment gains elsewhere including at health care facilities, financial companies, computer-design firms, bars and restaurants, retailers and the government.

"The job market remains relatively healthy. The weather certainly delivered a lashing to the job market in February, particularly in the construction business as snow, ice, and sleet hammered parts of the country," said Lynn Reaser, chief economist at Bank of America's Investment Strategies Group. "Still, companies cautiously have the hiring mats out and workers are making more money."

In financial markets, the employment news gave a boost to the Dow Jones industrials. The index rose 15.62 points to close at 12,276.32, after trading in both positive and negative territory over the course of the day.

The drop in the unemployment rate from 4.6 percent in January came as people left the work force in February. Economists said bad weather made it difficult for people to get out and look for jobs. Taking those factors into account, February's jobless rate, the lowest since December, still should ease any fears that the economy could be headed for a worse-than-anticipated slowdown in growth, analysts said.

On another encouraging note, the economy ended up adding 55,000 more jobs in December and January combined than the government estimated a month ago.

Workers' wages grew briskly, another sign that the job market is in fundamentally good shape, analysts said.

Average hourly earnings jumped to $17.16 in February, from $16.49 a year earlier. That represented a solid 4.1 percent increase over the last 12 months.

"Because unemployment is low, workers have more negotiating power and are getting higher wages," said Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody's Economy.com. "Increasing it is becoming a worker's market, particularly for highly skilled and educated workers."

Strong wage growth is good for workers and supports consumer spending, a key ingredient to the country's economic health. But a rapid pickup ? if sustained and not blunted by other economic forces ? can raise fears about inflation. Spiraling inflation would whittle away any wage gains, hurting workers' wallets. It isn't good for the overall economy, either.

The Federal Reserve, which had steadily boosted interest rates for two years to fend off inflation, has left rates alone since August. Economists predicted the Fed ? while keeping a close eye on inflation ? will continue to hold rates steady when it meets next on March 20-21.

In other economic news, the Commerce Department reported that the trade deficit narrowed to $59.1 billion in January as U.S. exports climbed to an all-time high.

The latest batch of economic reports come as President Bush continues to get lukewarm ratings for his economic stewardship. Just 41 percent of the public approves of the president's handling of the economy, compared with 57 percent who disapprove, according to an AP-Ipsos poll.

Democrats, who accuse Bush of not doing enough to close the gap on economic inequality, say a top priority is getting final agreement in Congress on legislation to boost the federal minimum wage from $5.15 an hour to $7.25 an hour. The wage hasn't budged for nearly 10 years. Democrats also are pushing legislation making it easier for workers to start unions against company wishes.

In the employment report, 39,000 of the total 97,000 jobs gains in February came from federal, state and local governments. That meant private companies added just 58,000 jobs last month, the fewest since November 2004. Some analysts found that a bit worrisome.

"There are clear warning signs of deterioration ahead," said Ian Shepherdson, chief economist at High Frequency Economics.

Analysts predict the unemployment rate will creep up this year as economic growth slows. Some predict the jobless rate could climb to close to 5 percent by the end of the year.
 

Termagant

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It seems every other month there is some "surprising" new low or high number on some economic indicator coming out. Maybe next month unemployment will be up and wages down, who cares if the mainstream media reports it or not, people only care if they directly see their wages or employment change.

Or.... maybe its all a Vast Left Wing Conspiracy. The poor conservatives of America are being kept down by the black man!
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
As usual, great economic news is being under reported.
The February unemployment rated dropped to 4.5%, about as low as you can get.
And even better wages are UP to $17.16, a 4.1% over last years rate of $16.49.
An increase that large is great news and proof that we have a strong economy in which nearly everyone is benifiting.

My question is why is this news buried? Not even on the front page of yahoo.com, had to seach for it in the business section.

Topic Title: Unemployment down, wages up
Topic Summary: Where is the news coverage of this?

The majority of America has been awakened to the false information spewed by your heroes and no longer paying any attention to it.
 

WHAMPOM

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You do know the dollar's worth is dropping? And that fact is driving up employment, higher foreign trade, and so called rising wages.
 

BaliBabyDoc

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Hmm, net gain in jobs about 60% of what's necessary.

Lower unemployment based on least reliable survey AND people LEAVING the workforce. In essence, the employment picture didn't improve. The denominator went down b/c people quit looking for work.

 

BarneyFife

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Such great news that the stock market is down for the year and that gas prices are approaching $3 again. Foreclosures are at an all time record. GREAT NEWS!!
 

3chordcharlie

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Are those hourly wage numbers restricted to hourly wage earners (i.e. meaningful?).

What's happening to the wages of the bottom quartile (or even bottom half)?

I don't know - and I'm not assuming - the answer, but the numbers would be a lot more meaningful if they included those answers.
 

Jaskalas

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Jun 23, 2004
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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
As usual, great economic news is being under reported.
The February unemployment rated dropped to 4.5%, about as low as you can get.
And even better wages are UP to $17.16, a 4.1% over last years rate of $16.49.
An increase that large is great news and proof that we have a strong economy in which nearly everyone is benifiting.

My question is why is this news buried? Not even on the front page of yahoo.com, had to seach for it in the business section.

Topic Title: Unemployment down, wages up
Topic Summary: Where is the news coverage of this?

The majority of America has been awakened to the false information spewed by your heroes and no longer paying any attention to it.

Your false information is better? This is a curious assertion.

The ability to disbelieve anything we do not like hearing is a fascinating tool in warfare. With enough misinformation, reality itself is changed to better suit the sender.
 

her209

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Oct 11, 2000
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Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie
Are those hourly wage numbers restricted to hourly wage earners (i.e. meaningful?).

What's happening to the wages of the bottom quartile (or even bottom half)?

I don't know - and I'm not assuming - the answer, but the numbers would be a lot more meaningful if they included those answers.
Or at least provide a median wage. No one ever reports the median wage.
 

charrison

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Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Hmm, net gain in jobs about 60% of what's necessary.

Lower unemployment based on least reliable survey AND people LEAVING the workforce. In essence, the employment picture didn't improve. The denominator went down b/c people quit looking for work.

Wages up, unemployment remains below the average of the past several decades. Hard to spin this as bad news, but at least you are trying. We are still not in the middle of an economic disaster...
 

boomerang

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Jun 19, 2000
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"Some people think that to get these figures on unemployment the Government uses the number of persons filing claims for unemployment insurance (UI) benefits under State or Federal Government programs. But some people are still jobless when their benefits run out, and many more are not eligible at all or delay or never apply for benefits. So, quite clearly, UI information cannot be used as a source for complete information on the number of unemployed."

The sad fact is that when an individuals benefits run out, he or she is no longer considered unemployed.

The above paragraph is from here.

I imagine if I was willing to take the time, I could find information showing the fallacies in the wages data. I am just more familiar of the unemployment info.
 

Bowfinger

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Nov 17, 2002
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Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Hmm, net gain in jobs about 60% of what's necessary.

Lower unemployment based on least reliable survey AND people LEAVING the workforce. In essence, the employment picture didn't improve. The denominator went down b/c people quit looking for work.
Plus, as has been frequently documented, the quality of the new jobs, on the average, is not as good as the jobs lost, and a substantially greater percentage of people have been forced into accepting part-time employment when they need full-time. While there is certainly good news as well, the overall economic picture is a mixed bag, something the cheerleaders continue to ignore.
 

Thump553

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Jun 2, 2000
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I guess all my clients, friends and associates here in the Northeast are deluded for we certainly haven't experienced this economic boom. Of course, one CEO pulling in an extra 300M or so a year does tend to distort the "hourly wage" a bit.
 
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Originally posted by: Thump553
I guess all my clients, friends and associates here in the Northeast are deluded for we certainly haven't experienced this economic boom. Of course, one CEO pulling in an extra 300M or so a year does tend to distort the "hourly wage" a bit.

Yeah, I left Maine for Florida and experienced instant improvement in my own numbers. IT down here is vibrant and expanding.
 

1EZduzit

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Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
As usual, great economic news is being under reported.
The February unemployment rated dropped to 4.5%, about as low as you can get.
And even better wages are UP to $17.16, a 4.1% over last years rate of $16.49.
An increase that large is great news and proof that we have a strong economy in which nearly everyone is benifiting.

My question is why is this news buried? Not even on the front page of yahoo.com, had to seach for it in the business section.

Topic Title: Unemployment down, wages up
Topic Summary: Where is the news coverage of this?

The majority of America has been awakened to the false information spewed by your heroes and no longer paying any attention to it.

Your false information is better? This is a curious assertion.

The ability to disbelieve anything we do not like hearing is a fascinating tool in warfare. With enough misinformation, reality itself is changed to better suit the sender.

Everyone will read into this what they want to see...... including both myself and you.

My take on it is that inflation is worse then what we are being told, which of course is what i want to believe. But please feel free to go ahead and bet the farm on our "robust" economy. After all, it's your money to do with as you please.
 

Genx87

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Apr 8, 2002
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Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Hmm, net gain in jobs about 60% of what's necessary.

Lower unemployment based on least reliable survey AND people LEAVING the workforce. In essence, the employment picture didn't improve. The denominator went down b/c people quit looking for work.

Whatever excuse you need to tell yourself to justify your pessimism.

 

Genx87

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Apr 8, 2002
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Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Hmm, net gain in jobs about 60% of what's necessary.

Lower unemployment based on least reliable survey AND people LEAVING the workforce. In essence, the employment picture didn't improve. The denominator went down b/c people quit looking for work.
Plus, as has been frequently documented, the quality of the new jobs, on the average, is not as good as the jobs lost, and a substantially greater percentage of people have been forced into accepting part-time employment when they need full-time. While there is certainly good news as well, the overall economic picture is a mixed bag, something the cheerleaders continue to ignore.

So that explains why wages increased? Because jobs are being replaced with low wage jobs?

That sounds logical.
 

blackangst1

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Feb 23, 2005
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All you naysayers know for a fact if some report came out saying the opposite you would be ALLLL over it. What a load of partisan horse pucky.

Cry and whine all you want...it doesnt make your pleas true. The economy is great. Period.
 

Bowfinger

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Nov 17, 2002
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Originally posted by: blackangst1
All you naysayers know for a fact if some report came out saying the opposite you would be ALLLL over it. What a load of partisan horse pucky.

Cry and whine all you want...it doesnt make your pleas true. The economy is great. Period.
Such arrogance. Cheerlead all you want...it doesn't make your Polyanna hyperbole true. The economy is still a mixed bag, and that's a fact.
 

Bowfinger

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Nov 17, 2002
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Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Hmm, net gain in jobs about 60% of what's necessary.

Lower unemployment based on least reliable survey AND people LEAVING the workforce. In essence, the employment picture didn't improve. The denominator went down b/c people quit looking for work.
Plus, as has been frequently documented, the quality of the new jobs, on the average, is not as good as the jobs lost, and a substantially greater percentage of people have been forced into accepting part-time employment when they need full-time. While there is certainly good news as well, the overall economic picture is a mixed bag, something the cheerleaders continue to ignore.

So that explains why wages increased? Because jobs are being replaced with low wage jobs?

That sounds logical.
The facts are what they are. I agree that's an encouraging stat after so many years of stagnant income. It even outpaces inflation. One would need to know the methodology and underlying data to understand just how good it is or isn't. I hope it is truly reflective and not just a statistical anomaly.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
As usual, great economic news is being under reported.
The February unemployment rated dropped to 4.5%, about as low as you can get.
And even better wages are UP to $17.16, a 4.1% over last years rate of $16.49.
An increase that large is great news and proof that we have a strong economy in which nearly everyone is benifiting.

My question is why is this news buried? Not even on the front page of yahoo.com, had to seach for it in the business section.
The story is full of good economic news, I bolded the important things.
link
WASHINGTON - The unemployment rate dipped to 4.5 percent and workers got fatter paychecks in February, even as bad winter weather sent a bit of a chill through U.S. job growth.

The latest employment picture, released by the Labor Department on Friday, suggested employers are holding up well and opportunities continue for jobseekers as the economy deals with a sluggish spell, a housing slump and troubles in the automotive industry.

Employers ? both private companies and the government ? added a total of 97,000 new jobs to their payrolls in February, the fewest in two years. Lousy winter weather was blamed for much of the slower job growth.

Construction companies ? already feeling the strain of the ailing housing market ? slashed 62,000 jobs in February, the most in 16 years, as nasty weather hit many parts of the country.

Meanwhile, factories, coping with slowing economic conditions at home and intense competition from abroad, continued to cut jobs. They eliminated 14,000 positions last month.

Those job losses, however, were eclipsed by employment gains elsewhere including at health care facilities, financial companies, computer-design firms, bars and restaurants, retailers and the government.

"The job market remains relatively healthy. The weather certainly delivered a lashing to the job market in February, particularly in the construction business as snow, ice, and sleet hammered parts of the country," said Lynn Reaser, chief economist at Bank of America's Investment Strategies Group. "Still, companies cautiously have the hiring mats out and workers are making more money."

In financial markets, the employment news gave a boost to the Dow Jones industrials. The index rose 15.62 points to close at 12,276.32, after trading in both positive and negative territory over the course of the day.

The drop in the unemployment rate from 4.6 percent in January came as people left the work force in February. Economists said bad weather made it difficult for people to get out and look for jobs. Taking those factors into account, February's jobless rate, the lowest since December, still should ease any fears that the economy could be headed for a worse-than-anticipated slowdown in growth, analysts said.

On another encouraging note, the economy ended up adding 55,000 more jobs in December and January combined than the government estimated a month ago.

Workers' wages grew briskly, another sign that the job market is in fundamentally good shape, analysts said.

Average hourly earnings jumped to $17.16 in February, from $16.49 a year earlier. That represented a solid 4.1 percent increase over the last 12 months.

"Because unemployment is low, workers have more negotiating power and are getting higher wages," said Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody's Economy.com. "Increasing it is becoming a worker's market, particularly for highly skilled and educated workers."

Strong wage growth is good for workers and supports consumer spending, a key ingredient to the country's economic health. But a rapid pickup ? if sustained and not blunted by other economic forces ? can raise fears about inflation. Spiraling inflation would whittle away any wage gains, hurting workers' wallets. It isn't good for the overall economy, either.

The Federal Reserve, which had steadily boosted interest rates for two years to fend off inflation, has left rates alone since August. Economists predicted the Fed ? while keeping a close eye on inflation ? will continue to hold rates steady when it meets next on March 20-21.

In other economic news, the Commerce Department reported that the trade deficit narrowed to $59.1 billion in January as U.S. exports climbed to an all-time high.

The latest batch of economic reports come as President Bush continues to get lukewarm ratings for his economic stewardship. Just 41 percent of the public approves of the president's handling of the economy, compared with 57 percent who disapprove, according to an AP-Ipsos poll.

Democrats, who accuse Bush of not doing enough to close the gap on economic inequality, say a top priority is getting final agreement in Congress on legislation to boost the federal minimum wage from $5.15 an hour to $7.25 an hour. The wage hasn't budged for nearly 10 years. Democrats also are pushing legislation making it easier for workers to start unions against company wishes.

In the employment report, 39,000 of the total 97,000 jobs gains in February came from federal, state and local governments. That meant private companies added just 58,000 jobs last month, the fewest since November 2004. Some analysts found that a bit worrisome.

"There are clear warning signs of deterioration ahead," said Ian Shepherdson, chief economist at High Frequency Economics.

Analysts predict the unemployment rate will creep up this year as economic growth slows. Some predict the jobless rate could climb to close to 5 percent by the end of the year.
Hey that's great news for a Bush lover, something they can point to that he didn't totally fsck up unlike our foriegn policy.
 

3chordcharlie

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Originally posted by: blackangst1
All you naysayers know for a fact if some report came out saying the opposite you would be ALLLL over it. What a load of partisan horse pucky.

Cry and whine all you want...it doesnt make your pleas true. The economy is great. Period.

More numbers please.

At least something before you start into another whine about naysayers and liberals etc, etc.

I know you want to get started, you're so good at it!
 

blackangst1

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Feb 23, 2005
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Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie
Originally posted by: blackangst1
All you naysayers know for a fact if some report came out saying the opposite you would be ALLLL over it. What a load of partisan horse pucky.

Cry and whine all you want...it doesnt make your pleas true. The economy is great. Period.

More numbers please.

At least something before you start into another whine about naysayers and liberals etc, etc.

I know you want to get started, you're so good at it!

More numbers for what? The economy? Other than what the OP posted? Are you lazy? Im not whining at all just morroring the OP's comments on the state of our economy: GREAT.
 

XZeroII

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Jun 30, 2001
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Originally posted by: WHAMPOM
You do know the dollar's worth is dropping? And that fact is driving up employment, higher foreign trade, and so called rising wages.

Yes. It's called Cause and Effect. I'm glad that at you understand that. Congratulations. What does that have to do with the article?
 
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Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

My take on it is that inflation is worse then what we are being told, which of course is what i want to believe. But please feel free to go ahead and bet the farm on our "robust" economy. After all, it's your money to do with as you please.

When you take the price of housing into account, inflation has exploded over the past couple years. Housing is one of people's largest expenses and a necessity, so it is a huge contributor to inflation (even though wages have not kept up). It isn't as though the price of chocolate had doubled. The gas prices haven't helped, either.