Understanding a transposing instrument i.e. Bb Clarinet

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So I never really understood what it meant by a Bb Clarinet - only that my son's clarinet didn't register the same notes as what he was supposedly playing. I had him play a note and see what it registered on my guitar tuner... Anyhow, here's what it I found out:



In order to make things run smoothly for composers, performers, piano tuners, and instrument makers, a standard has been developed that assigns a particular pitch to every written note. In other words, to save time and hassle, everybody has already agreed on what a C sounds like. This standard is called concert pitch. Most instruments are C instruments. The music for a C instrument is read and played at concert pitch.

A pianist, a cellist, a trombonist, and a flautist all see a C written in their parts. They may play the C in different octaves, but they will all play a note that the others recognize as a C. This may seem obvious, but a clarinetist who sees a C on the page will play a note that does not sound like a C to the other players. This is because the clarinet is a transposing instrument. The music for transposing instruments is not written or read at concert pitch. The clarinetist, for example, seeing a C on the page, will play a note that sounds like a Bb. The clarinet is therefore called a Bb instrument. A French horn player, seeing a C on his "horn in F" or "F horn" part, will play a note that sounds like an F. Obviously, not just the C but all the notes are different. For a Bb instrument, for example, not just the C sounds a whole step lower, but every note sounds a whole step lower than written. In order to be read correctly by most players, music for transposing instruments must be properly transposed.

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thepd7

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interesting, I heard a clarinet was "B flat" but I didn't know this is what it meant
 

yhelothar

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How our brains perceive pitch is a weird phenomenon. We haven't even discovered the exact rules on how we perceive pitch.
On the most fundamental level, you could say pitch is just frequency... low frequency = higher pitch.
But very few sounds is just made up of only one frequency, but rather our perception of pitch is made up of a combination of many frequencies.
For example, a C on the piano is made up of three different harmonic frequencies combined.
 

lxskllr

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Yea, it's fuckin' irritating, and probably retards the learning of pitch by ear. That may have been useful when printing music was expensive, or non existent, but there's no reason for it anymore, other than tradition.
 

Drako

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LOL, I used to play Alto Horn (E flat) in marching band, and French horn (F), or Trumpet (C) in concert band. Those were the days :)
 

Fenixgoon

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Bb clarinet representing! :D


how do you get twod double-reed instrument players in tune? shoot one.
 

AmdEmAll

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I remember in band class we had one guy that played oboe. He was always raged cause it was such a bitch to play. I almost felt bad for him except he was a dick.
 

Juked07

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From the wikipedia article:

"Many instruments are members of a family of instruments that differ mainly in size, such as the saxophone, clarinet, flute, etc. The instruments in these families have differing ranges, with the members sounding lower as they get larger. If the music for each was not transposed to maintain the same fingerings for the same written notes, players would have to learn to read differently for each pitch of instrument (players of non-transposing instruments like the trombone or tuba have to do this anyway). As a result these instruments are transposed based on their range so that the written notes are fingered the same way on each instrument."

That seems like a decent reason, although I'm not sure which instruments this applies to.
 

JimmiG

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Classical music is like other "fine arts". Full of tradition and pompous elitist people who think they're better than everyone else. Cavemen made music too, just by smashing two rocks together and chanting.
 

Chaotic42

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Classical music is like other "fine arts". Full of tradition and pompous elitist people who think they're better than everyone else. Cavemen made music too, just by smashing two rocks together and chanting.

Caveman music sucked until one of them dropped his rock and it rolled down the hill. I think it was Buddy Holly.
 

Crusty

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I've played a B-flat Trumpet for many years and never really had a problem transposing music when it was given to me in a different key. Most of the symphony pieces I played were written for a C trumpet and we usually had to just transpose as we were playing. Once you learn how to do it it's really easy.

If you know your circle of fifths it's not hard at all.
 

Minerva

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Classical music is like other "fine arts". Full of tradition and pompous elitist people who think they're better than everyone else. Cavemen made music too, just by smashing two rocks together and chanting.

Don't forget bragging about paying all credit cards off in full every month. ;)
 

Analog

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I've played a B-flat Trumpet for many years and never really had a problem transposing music when it was given to me in a different key. Most of the symphony pieces I played were written for a C trumpet and we usually had to just transpose as we were playing. Once you learn how to do it it's really easy.

If you know your circle of fifths it's not hard at all.


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Skillet49

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I want to say one of my band directors said that they did this so pieces weren't written in difficult key signatures. Once you figure out how to transpose, it isn't that hard. I played E-flat alto sax and if you only had trombone music (C instrument), you just read it as treble clef and remember what key you should be in.
 

Cogman

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Bb Trumpet player here, though, all the music I had was generally written for Bb trumpets. I never had to do transposing (It would have been a pain in the butt.)
 

Skillet49

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Bb Trumpet player here, though, all the music I had was generally written for Bb trumpets. I never had to do transposing (It would have been a pain in the butt.)

B-flat instruments are one of the easiest. You just read it as a whole step higher.