Under immense international pressure, Iran backs down

[Moonbeam]

werepossum: I disagree totally.

M: You don't disagree totally because we aren't even on the same page.

w: The severity of the penalty is overwhelmingly more relevant than the mere fact of the underlying penalty, for under that reasoning we would have to abandon drunk driving laws were some hellhole to introduce the penalty of burning alive for DUI. Individual freedom is certainly a laudable principle and I personally support legalized prostitution for that reason, but proportionality and basic human rights are arguably even more so - and the right to NOT be stoned or burned alive for sex outside society's norm is unarguably more basic and more important than the right to be paid for same.

M: The severity of the penalty is overwhelmingly more relevant to you in relation to fucking what? Is it more important that people get a slap on the wrist than being executed for prostitution, yes, but who the fuck is talking about that. I was talking about the identical nature of people who use state power to enforce their morality, not the relative merits of how more or less sickening that enforcement is. And I can't believe that is so god damned hard to understand. You and wolf are out to lunch arguing an issue with me I never had or supported.

 

[woolfe9999]

werepossum: I disagree totally.

M: You don't disagree totally because we aren't even on the same page.

w: The severity of the penalty is overwhelmingly more relevant than the mere fact of the underlying penalty, for under that reasoning we would have to abandon drunk driving laws were some hellhole to introduce the penalty of burning alive for DUI. Individual freedom is certainly a laudable principle and I personally support legalized prostitution for that reason, but proportionality and basic human rights are arguably even more so - and the right to NOT be stoned or burned alive for sex outside society's norm is unarguably more basic and more important than the right to be paid for same.

M: The severity of the penalty is overwhelmingly more relevant to you in relation to fucking what? Is it more important that people get a slap on the wrist than being executed for prostitution, yes, but who the fuck is talking about that. I was talking about the identical nature of people who use state power to enforce their morality, not the relative merits of how more or less sickening that enforcement is. And I can't believe that is so god damned hard to understand. You and wolf are out to lunch arguing an issue with me I never had or supported.

Nope, not at all out to lunch. The question of severity is directly relevant to both your point and nonlnear's. I know you don't see it that way, but that may be because you are the one who is out to lunch here.

- wolf

 

[Moonbeam]

My disagreement with you was the same of my disagreement with nonlear who you agree with. I think that was clear enough, since I addressed you both in more or less the same breath, and you have not indicated that there is any distinction in your opinions here, in fact you are affirming that they are the same. I'll continue my discussion of the issue with nonlnear, but don't expect to be exempt from rebuttal just because your post was a "me too" instead the original opinion.

- wolf

M: I expect to be exempt from rebuttals that rebut nothing I said but pretend to. Also I don't care a fig who you rebut, but I will bow out as I wish rather than draw the focus from the person's whose point it was. I am more interested in what nonlnear has to say than me.

 

[Moonbeam]

Nope, not at all out to lunch. The question of severity is directly relevant to both your point and nonlnear's. I know you don't see it that way, but that may be because you are the one who is out to lunch here.

- wolf

How is it relevant?

 

[Moonbeam]

Some of you hate the US so much, you can't even condemn Iran for stoning women.

This thread is about Iran. If you are so USA-centric that you cannot, for one second, join the world in outrage over this issue, you are pathetic.

It wouldn't do any good. In Iran they are busy justifying stoning because Attila the Hun used to kill every woman in a thousand miles. It seems that this state power combined with fundamentalist morality is a disease nobody will see they have because the next guy has it worse and instead of evolving folk are just pointing fingers. And don't argue with me because Attila the Hun really was worse and that's what's relevant.

 

[Moonbeam]

^ So basically, why do we even post current events? Almost none of them effect us personally, and we cannot change any of them.

Secondly, I think you just did a sorry attempt at Loonbeam self-hate post.

Wow this place has gone down hill. If debates get to the point where someone is questioning why we are even debating....

Remember that when it comes to self understanding, down is up. When it comes to self understanding, you are not going to like what you see, that is until you realize what an idiot you used to be.

 

[woolfe9999]

How is it relevant?

Because the question of degree is always relevant. Like I pointed out, do you think it's right to equate 2010 America with 1850 America on the issue of race just because in both societies there is/was some discrimination? You're basically saying if you aren't perfect, then you live in a glass house and shouldn't be throwing stones.

- wolf

 

[Moonbeam]

Because the question of degree is always relevant. Like I pointed out, do you think it's right to equate 2010 America with 1850 America on the issue of race just because in both societies there is/was some discrimination? You're basically saying if you aren't perfect, then you live in a glass house and shouldn't be throwing stones.

- wolf

I am saying that racism is self hate, the identification with a superior race and the feeling of superiority that gives to those who don't have the real thing. I am talking about fundamental truths, you are talking about relative degrees of manifestations. For self haters it's always about finding somebody to look down on. That is the disease. In one time or place the disease manifests in this or that way to this or that degree. You focus on that, the external manifestations and how bad they are or are not and the disease will never be cured. You are focused on symptoms and not cause. To do so is to be attached to the wheel of karma.

PS I asked you how it is relevant to how I agreed with nonlnear.

 

[woolfe9999]

I am saying that racism is self hate, the identification with a superior race and the feeling of superiority that gives to those who don't have the real thing. I am talking about fundamental truths, you are talking about relative degrees of manifestations. For self haters it's always about finding somebody to look down on. That is the disease. In one time or place the disease manifests in this or that way to this or that degree. You focus on that, the external manifestations and how bad they are or are not and the disease will never be cured. You are focused on symptoms and not cause. To do so is to be attached to the wheel of karma.

PS I asked you how it is relevant to how I agreed with nonlnear.

The real world consequences DO matter Moonbeam. In REALITY, it matters that a woman gets whipped 99 times, put in jail for 5 years, and then faces death by what can fairly be described as torture. Two actions might both be motivated by self-hate, but the extremity of each action is relevant in the real world we actually live in. I tend to focus on real world conduct rather than people's private motivations because I can't help them get over their self-hate or whatever else may be motivating them. I think that self-hate is to a very large extent inevitable among sentient beings. Given that such is the case, I'll take the self-hate that produces minor pain and misery over the self-hate that produces major pain and misery any day of the week.

- wolf

 

[OCGuy]

Remember that when it comes to self understanding, down is up. When it comes to self understanding, you are not going to like what you see, that is until you realize what an idiot you used to be.

Moonbeam -

I have seen the light. You have taken me down the path to enlightenment. You are now the shining bright object in my world full of darkness. You have given sight to blind man. You have given direction to a lost soul. You have filled a void in the vast open space that is my being. If my understanding of the world was a flacid penis, you are the viagra.

a/s/l? specs?

 

[Moonbeam]

The real world consequences DO matter Moonbeam. In REALITY, it matters that a woman gets whipped 99 times, put in jail for 5 years, and then faces death by what can fairly be described as torture. Two actions might both be motivated by self-hate, but the extremity of each action is relevant in the real world we actually live in. I tend to focus on real world conduct rather than people's private motivations because I can't help them get over their self-hate or whatever else may be motivating them. I think that self-hate is to a very large extent inevitable among sentient beings. Given that such is the case, I'll take the self-hate that produces minor pain and misery over the self-hate that produces major pain and misery any day of the week.

- wolf

Hehehehehehe, In the real world it matters that Iran is better than Attila the Hun. Thank Allah they are better than him. It's much better than in the Dark Ages too where millions died of the plague. I hope you aren't going to tell me that Iran stoning a women isn't worse than a world wide dose of the plague. No of course not, that wasn't your point was it. You are lucky I'm gifted enough to see that. If I accused you of claiming stoning one person is more relevant that millions dying of the plague I'm sure it would wreck your day. You'd probably think I was crazy. But no, I have my feet on the ground. The plague is worse than one case of stoning. I win.

 

[Moonbeam]

Moonbeam -

I have seen the light. You have taken me down the path to enlightenment. You are now the shining bright object in my world full of darkness. You have given sight to blind man. You have given direction to a lost soul. You have filled a void in the vast open space that is my being. If my understanding of the world was a flacid penis, you are the viagra.

a/s/l? specs?

The only light you'll ever see is if you get an infection of florescent bacteria in your rectum where you have your head.

 

[coreyb]

How could they do this!? Allah decides what punishment people shall get, not other nations!