UNCONFIRMED!! New top-end nVidia card in November !!

[Bateluer]

Originally posted by: sandman9

Looks like GeForce 8900 GTX will be out in November, not some useless new mid-end card !
Obviously, nVidia will never confirm it officially, as people will stop buying 8800GTX cards.

Not sure if someone else already said this, but what we need right now are decent mid range cards. The current crop of Radeon 2600s and GF8600s are atrociously weak, barely outperforming their predecessors in DX9 titles. Their performance in DX10 titles isn't worth a mention its so bad.

The closest things to a decent mid range card right now are the Radeon 2900 Pro and the GTS320MB, and they both cost outside that 150 to 200 dollar, sweet spot price range.

 

[imported_Shaq]

Well at 600/1800 with only 64 shaders and a 256 bit memory bus I would be very surprised if it were within 10-15% of a current 320 or 640 GTS. But I believe when you OC to the max it will be equivalent to a stock current GTS. However, current GTS's OC 20-25% higher than reference clocks, which is why I was saying if you spend $250 on a videocard performance will actually go down once the 320's are out of stock.

The 8800GT 512 is estimated to be $229-$249, but how often is a video card at MSRP on launch day? I imagine at launch it will be $249-$279. I however can be fully proven wrong, but I believe people will be debating whether to go with the higher speeds on the 320 vs. more memory on the 8800GT 512 until the 320's are out of stock at least.

$260 AR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16814150171

 

[ronnn]

I am sure that nvidia have a surprise or 2. They almost always have. Still a new high end that is not 2 gpus would be a real big surprise. :beer:

 

[BFG10K]

Heard about 'reading between the lines?'

There's a difference between "reading between the lines" and "making stuff up that isn't there".

Again we may well get a high-end part but nothing in that article supports that.

 

[ArchAngel777]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

Heard about 'reading between the lines?'

There's a difference between "reading between the lines" and "making stuff up that isn't there".

Again we may well get a high-end part but nothing in that article supports that.

Well said!

 

[sandorski]

I've read between the lines and the OP is way off. Nvidia will be releasing a green ink ballpoint pen that writes upside down by utilizing the same technology NASA developed as seen on Seinfeld. Nice piece of hardware no doubt, but not a High End Graphics card. With that I propose this thread be moved to the appropriate Forum.

 

[SickBeast]

nVidia doesn't need a new highend card when they've already got the fastest card in the 8800GTX. ATI is not showing any signs of an upcoming card that can de-throne them, either.

A new card that is *slower* than the current 8800GTS cards for less money would fill a huge void in their product lineup. :light:

The 8600GTS is too slow to be useful as a gaming card. Expect the new card to come within 10-20% of a 320mb 8800GTS; that would be my best guess.

 

[nitromullet]

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: TheSlamma
This is Boring.. when do we get a nVidia 9800 ???

NOBODY KNOWS SO PLEASE EVERYONE STOP ASKING

Thank You

(sorry for caps)

I think it was a rhetorical question... He's right actually. For those of us interested in high end cards there really hasn't been a single bit of interesting news since Nov. 8, 2006. The Ultra was predictable and overpriced (even for a GTX owner), and the Radeon 2900 cards were disappointing (especially for a GTX owner).

The "NVIDIA wouldn't compete against itself" argument for not putting out a new high end card is interesting IMO, and one I can't totally see. From my perspective, it seems like they could sell a lot of 9-series high end cards to the guys (like me) who pretty much have had no where to go since last year when we picked up our GTXes. There are going to be a number of titles released between now and the end of the year that will most likely require a beefier card than even a GTX for optimum FPS at higher resolutions with high image quality, so it's time for a new high end card. Once it gets to the point that it's not even possible to play the newest games on PC because the hardware doesn't even exist, then there will be no more argument for PC over console gaming, and I'm sure NVIDIA doesn't want that.

 

[imported_Shaq]

If they had done a simple die shrink they would have saved money on the 8800's. Nvidia said they would never get beaten again. It is difficult to believe they are waiting on a response from DAAMIT before they come out with a new card. It seems these G92's were a response to ATI's new line and not a preplanned idea.

I wonder if it is getting substantially more difficult to go to 65nm on high end cards. Since they are more complicated to produce than CPU's they will hit the die shrink wall first.

 

[n7]

Bah, i had a feeling this thread was going to be a waste of time.

Got my hopes up for nothing.

 

[bryanW1995]

Originally posted by: Shaq
Well at 600/1800 with only 64 shaders and a 256 bit memory bus I would be very surprised if it were within 10-15% of a current 320 or 640 GTS. But I believe when you OC to the max it will be equivalent to a stock current GTS. However, current GTS's OC 20-25% higher than reference clocks, which is why I was saying if you spend $250 on a videocard performance will actually go down once the 320's are out of stock.

The 8800GT 512 is estimated to be $229-$249, but how often is a video card at MSRP on launch day? I imagine at launch it will be $249-$279. I however can be fully proven wrong, but I believe people will be debating whether to go with the higher speeds on the 320 vs. more memory on the 8800GT 512 until the 320's are out of stock at least.

$260 AR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16814150171

they wouldn't be bumping gts to 112 sp's if they were only doing 64 for gt...would they? If 2900 pro is any indication, ati might have some life left in them after all.

 

[CaptainJackSwallows]

crysis launch = november
end of step-up = end of october

NoOOOOOOOoOOOO!!!!!!!!!

 

[superbooga]

It makes no sense to release a product slower than the 8800GTS 320 now; it would lose to the similarly priced 2950Pro. I think what's going to happen is that the 8800GTS is going to go bye-bye, and the G92 (whatever it's going to be called) is going to have 96 or 112SP, 256-bit memory, be a lot cheaper to make, and outperform the GTS 90% of the time.

For this current generation, the benefits of having more memory bandwidth is limited. The 2950Pro will likely outperform the 2900XT 90% of the time, even with only half the bus width.

 

[BFG10K]

Nvidia will be releasing a green ink ballpoint pen that writes upside down by utilizing the same technology NASA developed as seen on Seinfeld

Why don't they just release a green pencil? 😛

 

[nullpointerus]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

Nvidia will be releasing a green ink ballpoint pen that writes upside down by utilizing the same technology NASA developed as seen on Seinfeld

Why don't they just release a green pencil? 😛

Cutting down trees to make millions of lead-based "green" products...?

Oh, the irony. 🙂

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: CaptainJackSwallows
crysis launch = november
end of step-up = end of october

NoOOOOOOOoOOOO!!!!!!!!!

Don't worry. This way you won't get robbed by eVGA with the ridiculous pricing of their cards on their website. Out...........of...........hand........

Better to just buy the new card outright from a retailer and sell off your old one.

 

[n7]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: CaptainJackSwallows
crysis launch = november
end of step-up = end of october

NoOOOOOOOoOOOO!!!!!!!!!

Don't worry. This way you won't get robbed by eVGA with the ridiculous pricing of their cards on their website. Out...........of...........hand........

Better to just buy the new card outright from a retailer and sell off your old one.

This man speaks teh truth.

 

[Munky]

Originally posted by: sandman9

Nowhere did Vivoli state it was high-end. It could be but that article doesn't provide any evidence.

Heard about 'reading between the lines?'
He was talking at a Conference hosted by EA where the Crytek CEO Cevat Yerli was also present.
You don't talk about Crysis and mid-end cards in the same breath , you know.

You do, if you have nothing but want people to think you have something. I personally don't believe any rumor of a new high end card form Nvidia before 2008.

 

[nitromullet]

Originally posted by: n7

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: CaptainJackSwallows
crysis launch = november
end of step-up = end of october

NoOOOOOOOoOOOO!!!!!!!!!

Don't worry. This way you won't get robbed by eVGA with the ridiculous pricing of their cards on their website. Out...........of...........hand........

Better to just buy the new card outright from a retailer and sell off your old one.

This man speaks teh truth.

Really? So, it's a better deal to buy a GTX for $550, sell it on ebay for $450, and then buy a new card for $650 instead of buying a GTX for $550 and getting a full $550 credit towards the purchase of the $650 card?

 

[JAG87]

Originally posted by: nitromullet

Originally posted by: n7

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: CaptainJackSwallows
crysis launch = november
end of step-up = end of october

NoOOOOOOOoOOOO!!!!!!!!!

Don't worry. This way you won't get robbed by eVGA with the ridiculous pricing of their cards on their website. Out...........of...........hand........

Better to just buy the new card outright from a retailer and sell off your old one.

This man speaks teh truth.

Really? So, it's a better deal to buy a GTX for $550, sell it on ebay for $450, and then buy a new card for $650 instead of buying a GTX for $550 and getting a full $550 credit towards the purchase of the $650 card?

There is no difference because newegg will sell the new card for 650, while evga will sell it for 699 if not more. street price vs msrp.

still not convinced?

GTX
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16814130072
http://www.evga.com/products/m...8-P2-N831-AR&family=19

Ultra
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16814130090
http://www.evga.com/products/m...8-P2-N881-AR&family=19

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

Nvidia will be releasing a green ink ballpoint pen that writes upside down by utilizing the same technology NASA developed as seen on Seinfeld

Why don't they just release a green pencil? 😛

S3 will release that. 😉

 

[NoStateofMind]

Originally posted by: JAG87

Originally posted by: nitromullet

Originally posted by: n7

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: CaptainJackSwallows
crysis launch = november
end of step-up = end of october

NoOOOOOOOoOOOO!!!!!!!!!

Don't worry. This way you won't get robbed by eVGA with the ridiculous pricing of their cards on their website. Out...........of...........hand........

Better to just buy the new card outright from a retailer and sell off your old one.

This man speaks teh truth.

Really? So, it's a better deal to buy a GTX for $550, sell it on ebay for $450, and then buy a new card for $650 instead of buying a GTX for $550 and getting a full $550 credit towards the purchase of the $650 card?

There is no difference because newegg will sell the new card for 650, while evga will sell it for 699 if not more. street price vs msrp.

still not convinced?

GTX
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16814130072
http://www.evga.com/products/m...8-P2-N831-AR&family=19

Ultra
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16814130090
http://www.evga.com/products/m...8-P2-N881-AR&family=19

Not at launch. At launch street prices will exceed MSRP. So therefore the stepup is actually good for that time.

 

[nitromullet]

Originally posted by: JAG87

Originally posted by: nitromullet

Originally posted by: n7

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: CaptainJackSwallows
crysis launch = november
end of step-up = end of october

NoOOOOOOOoOOOO!!!!!!!!!

Don't worry. This way you won't get robbed by eVGA with the ridiculous pricing of their cards on their website. Out...........of...........hand........

Better to just buy the new card outright from a retailer and sell off your old one.

This man speaks teh truth.

Really? So, it's a better deal to buy a GTX for $550, sell it on ebay for $450, and then buy a new card for $650 instead of buying a GTX for $550 and getting a full $550 credit towards the purchase of the $650 card?

There is no difference because newegg will sell the new card for 650, while evga will sell it for 699 if not more. street price vs msrp.

still not convinced?

GTX
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16814130072
http://www.evga.com/products/m...8-P2-N831-AR&family=19

Ultra
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16814130090
http://www.evga.com/products/m...8-P2-N881-AR&family=19

It's not launch day for either of those cards... IIRC, EVGA charges NVIDIA MSRP for their stock clocked cards. Their prices won't drop over time the way an online retailer's prices do, but they also won't price gouge you like one either.

 

[JAG87]

Originally posted by: nitromullet

Originally posted by: JAG87

Originally posted by: nitromullet

Originally posted by: n7

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: CaptainJackSwallows
crysis launch = november
end of step-up = end of october

NoOOOOOOOoOOOO!!!!!!!!!

Don't worry. This way you won't get robbed by eVGA with the ridiculous pricing of their cards on their website. Out...........of...........hand........

Better to just buy the new card outright from a retailer and sell off your old one.

This man speaks teh truth.

Really? So, it's a better deal to buy a GTX for $550, sell it on ebay for $450, and then buy a new card for $650 instead of buying a GTX for $550 and getting a full $550 credit towards the purchase of the $650 card?

There is no difference because newegg will sell the new card for 650, while evga will sell it for 699 if not more. street price vs msrp.

still not convinced?

GTX
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16814130072
http://www.evga.com/products/m...8-P2-N831-AR&family=19

Ultra
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16814130090
http://www.evga.com/products/m...8-P2-N881-AR&family=19

It's not launch day for either of those cards... IIRC, EVGA charges NVIDIA MSRP for their stock clocked cards. Their prices won't drop over time the way an online retailer's prices do, but they also won't price gouge you like one either.

Thats because the evga site is Out of Stock for the first month of release. Hence the retailers price gouge. Once supply meets demand, retailer will always have lower price, otherwise people would just by directly from manufacturers.

And I bet that even if I wait for the initial price gouge to go away, I can still get the card sooner than you can get your step up card. Its known that its takes like over a month to get a step up card, cause the shipments go to stores first, and then to customers. So yea, I stand with keysplayr on this one.

 

[nitromullet]

Oh well, I guess Step-Up will work out for some and not for some others... It also depends on when you sell your old card... Usually when I play that upgrade game I have to sell my card at least a few weeks before launch or I won't get much at all for it because the re-sale value on current gen cards tends to drop significantly when a new generation is launched. Really, either path has it's risks... You might have to wait forever with a step-up if EVGA doesn't have them in stock or you might sell your old card and the release rumors turn out being false or the new card is a dog. A video card isn't an investment anyway, so whatever... 🙂