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Unconditional delete - Why does this not exist????

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Doomer

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This is the holy graill of Windows as far as I'm concerned, Why does it not exist????

When I tell windows to delete a file or folder, I would like it to do so NO MATTER WHAT !!! unconditionally and irretrievably.

If anyone knows of such a utility, you'll forever be my hero. 🙂
 
Originally posted by: Doomer
This only bypasses the recycle bin. It will not unconditionally delete a file or folder.
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there are plenty of utils for that ... and for everyone of you there are 100 peeps that would bitch if there was no way to get a file back
 
Originally posted by: Need4Speed
Originally posted by: Doomer
This only bypasses the recycle bin. It will not unconditionally delete a file or folder.
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there are plenty of utils for that ... and for everyone of you there are 100 peeps that would bitch if there was no way to get a file back
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Would you be so kind as to name just one?
 
BCWipe from Jetico. Just hit "Delete with Wiping" in the explorer context menu and say goodbye to the data.

But the "holy grail" of Windows? Did someone find your pr0n in the recycle bin?
 
Originally posted by: Markbnj
BCWipe from Jetico. Just hit "Delete with Wiping" in the explorer context menu and say goodbye to the data.

But the "holy grail" of Windows? Did someone find your pr0n in the recycle bin?
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What I'm looking for is not a security delete utility but an "UNCONDITIONAL delete utility. For example, it I want to delete a file that is in use, windows won't let me. An unconditional delete utility will. Irregardless of the consequences.

 
Why does it not exist? Because NTFS uses manditory file locking (as opposed to advisory file locking).
 
I hate it when I'm trying to delete a file, but Windows tell me it is in use. In use by what program? I have a damned partially downloaded file on my desktop that I can't get rid of!
 
Originally posted by: RaiderJ
I hate it when I'm trying to delete a file, but Windows tell me it is in use. In use by what program? I have a damned partially downloaded file on my desktop that I can't get rid of!
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Restart in Safe Mode with a command prompt and change to your desktop folder, delete file.
 
Originally posted by: Doomer
This is the holy graill of Windows as far as I'm concerned, Why does it not exist????

When I tell windows to delete a file or folder, I would like it to do so NO MATTER WHAT !!! unconditionally and irretrievably.

If anyone knows of such a utility, you'll forever be my hero. 🙂
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10-15 minutes, google search, words "registry tweak bypass recycle"

answer -

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\BitBucket]
;Do Not Send Files to Recycle Bin
"NukeOnDelete"=dword:00000001
 
Originally posted by: Nothinman
Because MS likes to enforce policy on it's users?
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I have no problem understanding this but why the heck isn't there a demand for a 3rd party utility that over comes this?
 
I have no problem understanding this but why the heck isn't there a demand for a 3rd party utility that over comes this?
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Because if the kernel is enforcing the locks it's impossible to avoid the issue. The lock has to be released before the file can be deleted.
 
Originally posted by: Doomer
Originally posted by: Markbnj
BCWipe from Jetico. Just hit "Delete with Wiping" in the explorer context menu and say goodbye to the data.

But the "holy grail" of Windows? Did someone find your pr0n in the recycle bin?
Click to expand...

What I'm looking for is not a security delete utility but an "UNCONDITIONAL delete utility. For example, it I want to delete a file that is in use, windows won't let me. An unconditional delete utility will. Irregardless of the consequences.
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I'm not aware of any OS that will let you "unconditionally" delete a file like that through normal means. Doing so generally violates the way that (well-designed) filesystems work.

Even in UNIX, "deleting" a file just unlinks it -- but if the file is currently open, it won't really be gone until everyone who has the file open closes it. There are probably ways to do it if you're a superuser, but it's certainly not a 'normal' thing to do, nor a very good idea.
 
Originally posted by: PELarson
Originally posted by: Doomer
This is the holy graill of Windows as far as I'm concerned, Why does it not exist????

When I tell windows to delete a file or folder, I would like it to do so NO MATTER WHAT !!! unconditionally and irretrievably.

If anyone knows of such a utility, you'll forever be my hero. 🙂
Click to expand...

10-15 minutes, google search, words "registry tweak bypass recycle"

answer -

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\BitBucket]
;Do Not Send Files to Recycle Bin
"NukeOnDelete"=dword:00000001
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That's not what he's asking for.
 
Originally posted by: Matthias99
Originally posted by: Doomer
Originally posted by: Markbnj
BCWipe from Jetico. Just hit "Delete with Wiping" in the explorer context menu and say goodbye to the data.

But the "holy grail" of Windows? Did someone find your pr0n in the recycle bin?
Click to expand...

What I'm looking for is not a security delete utility but an "UNCONDITIONAL delete utility. For example, it I want to delete a file that is in use, windows won't let me. An unconditional delete utility will. Irregardless of the consequences.
Click to expand...

I'm not aware of any OS that will let you "unconditionally" delete a file like that through normal means. Doing so generally violates the way that (well-designed) filesystems work.

Even in UNIX, "deleting" a file just unlinks it -- but if the file is currently open, it won't really be gone until everyone who has the file open closes it. There are probably ways to do it if you're a superuser, but it's certainly not a 'normal' thing to do, nor a very good idea.
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What if I have identified a malicious file and cannot delete it because windows won't let me. Is this a good idea?
 
Originally posted by: Doomer
Originally posted by: Matthias99
Originally posted by: Doomer
Originally posted by: Markbnj
BCWipe from Jetico. Just hit "Delete with Wiping" in the explorer context menu and say goodbye to the data.

But the "holy grail" of Windows? Did someone find your pr0n in the recycle bin?
Click to expand...

What I'm looking for is not a security delete utility but an "UNCONDITIONAL delete utility. For example, it I want to delete a file that is in use, windows won't let me. An unconditional delete utility will. Irregardless of the consequences.
Click to expand...

I'm not aware of any OS that will let you "unconditionally" delete a file like that through normal means. Doing so generally violates the way that (well-designed) filesystems work.

Even in UNIX, "deleting" a file just unlinks it -- but if the file is currently open, it won't really be gone until everyone who has the file open closes it. There are probably ways to do it if you're a superuser, but it's certainly not a 'normal' thing to do, nor a very good idea.
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What if I have identified a malicious file and cannot delete it because windows won't let me. Is this a good idea?
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You can kill the process handle on the file using SysInternals' Process Explorer. Then you should be able to delete the file.
 
Originally posted by: Doomer
What if I have identified a malicious file and cannot delete it because windows won't let me. Is this a good idea?
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Possibly. There are better ways to do this, however.

Normally antivirus companies will provide removal tools for most stubborn malicious programs, which will do this 'correctly'.

You can also try rebooting in Safe Mode, killing any running processes, and deleting the file from there.

Another option would be placing the drive as a slave in a different system, booting off the other system's normal boot drive, then deleting the file.
 
Originally posted by: Doomer
This is the holy graill of Windows as far as I'm concerned, Why does it not exist????
When I tell windows to delete a file or folder, I would like it to do so NO MATTER WHAT !!! unconditionally and irretrievably.
If anyone knows of such a utility, you'll forever be my hero. 🙂
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There are dozen of such tools, I've posted a few before (yes, I'll go try to track one down again). Most do the actual delete at the next reboot if the file is locked. If the file is locked there are some kernel tricks to deal with it, but I haven't seen an app do it (other than malware removal tools) as it can be very dangerous.

The OS is doing the right thing, your (probably) upset by some dumb user mode app (like explorer) who is keeping handles around even when you don't want it to.

Here is one: Move On Boot

Bill

 
Originally posted by: PELarson
Originally posted by: Doomer
This is the holy graill of Windows as far as I'm concerned, Why does it not exist????

When I tell windows to delete a file or folder, I would like it to do so NO MATTER WHAT !!! unconditionally and irretrievably.

If anyone knows of such a utility, you'll forever be my hero. 🙂
Click to expand...

10-15 minutes, google search, words "registry tweak bypass recycle"

answer -

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\BitBucket]
;Do Not Send Files to Recycle Bin
"NukeOnDelete"=dword:00000001
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Reading is not comprehension 😉
 
Because MS likes to enforce policy on it's users?
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I guarantee that if MS designed the system to allow you to delete a file whenever, and possibly bring the process that was using it down, you would bash them for that too.
 
Originally posted by: Markbnj
Because MS likes to enforce policy on it's users?
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I guarantee that if MS designed the system to allow you to delete a file whenever, and possibly bring the process that was using it down, you would bash them for that too.
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Ignore that, he just bashes MS whenever he can 😉
 
Originally posted by: Doomer
This is the holy graill of Windows as far as I'm concerned, Why does it not exist????

When I tell windows to delete a file or folder, I would like it to do so NO MATTER WHAT !!! unconditionally and irretrievably.

If anyone knows of such a utility, you'll forever be my hero. 🙂
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knoppix?
 
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