Uncle Thomas

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woolfe9998

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Calling someone a Benedict Arnold is calling them a traitor.
Calling someone an Uncle Tom is calling them a racial traitor and is only applicable to black people, it just would make sense if you called a non-black person an Uncle Tom.
The racial factor in calling someone an Uncle Tom is what makes it racist. It's like it a white person called another white person a ni&&er lover. It's racist, pure and simple.

Trying to say this isn't racist is as silly as trying to say that birthers aren't racist. The arguments are bullshit and it's just people trying to defend anyone on their team.

That isn't a good equivalency. An Uncle Tom is black person who goes out of his way to appease white people because he has an inferiority complex about being black and he desperately wants to be accepted by white people. That is quite different from the reverse example you gave, in which you purposefully inserted the incendiary "n word" which is not in the phrase "Uncle Tom." In any event, a black person who merely likes white people would not be called an Uncle Tom. It is far more specific than that.

It's at least debatable whether it's racist or not. Which is why the OP is full of crap here.
 

thraashman

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Apr 10, 2000
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That isn't a good equivalency. An Uncle Tom is black person who goes out of his way to appease white people because he has an inferiority complex about being black and he desperately wants to be accepted by white people. That is quite different from the reverse example you gave, in which you purposefully inserted the incendiary "n word" which is not in the phrase "Uncle Tom." In any event, a black person who merely likes white people would not be called an Uncle Tom. It is far more specific than that.

It's at least debatable whether it's racist or not. Which is why the OP is full of crap here.

I admit what I said wasn't perfectly equivalent. There is simply not any decent phrases that reach equivalence. But it isn't particularly far off either.

Personally I think it's just easier to call Clarence Thomas an asshole or a piece of shit human being. No need to bring a racial element to it.
 

justoh

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Jun 11, 2013
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I think that stan from the office would make a better clarence thomas.
 

shadow9d9

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Jul 6, 2004
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Calling someone a Benedict Arnold is calling them a traitor.
Calling someone an Uncle Tom is calling them a racial traitor and is only applicable to black people, it just would make sense if you called a non-black person an Uncle Tom.
The racial factor in calling someone an Uncle Tom is what makes it racist. It's like it a white person called another white person a ni&&er lover. It's racist, pure and simple.

Trying to say this isn't racist is as silly as trying to say that birthers aren't racist. The arguments are bullshit and it's just people trying to defend anyone on their team.

Sorry, but I'll quote it again...

"or any person perceived to be a participant in the oppression of their own group""

That fits. It isn't racist, it accurately describes what he did.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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I'll bet there are just as many who have never heard of Paula Deen.

Oh, I doubt that. I doubt that greatly.

consider that no one--NO ONE outside of Minnesota even knows who this guy is. I wonder how many in Minnesota even recognize his name? Hell, I still don't know his name. didn't read the article.

Now consider that Paula Dean is actually recognized around the world...for better or worse, and not just in our own personal corner of the planet.
 

lothar

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Jan 5, 2000
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Problem I have with Thomas is his hell bent furvor on killing a system that helped him get to where he is. Efforts would be better spent elsewhere. That and making a living kissing Scalias ass.
He is "hell bent" on killing Affirmative action because people like you prove his point. ;)

In his memoir My Grandfather’s Son, Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas pointed to his years at Yale Law School as the genesis of his hostility to affirmative action. “Before long I realized that those blacks who benefitted from it were being judged by a double standard,” Thomas wrote. “As much as it stung to be told that I’d done well in the seminary despite my race, it was far worse to feel that I was now at Yale because of it.” In response, he took extra course credits and pursued a tough field of study. But in the end, Thomas recalled, he found “the stigmatizing effects of racial preference” impossible to escape and “began to fear that it would be used forever after to discount my achievements.”

The passage of time has done little to diminish that negative understanding. A decade ago, when the Supreme Court narrowly upheld the University of Michigan’s use of race in law school admissions, Thomas filed a lengthy dissent, arguing that such racial preferences do an injustice to their purported beneficiaries. “When blacks take positions in the highest places of government, industry, or academia, it is an open question today whether their skin color played a part in their advancement,” he argued. “The question itself is the stigma–because either racial discrimination did play a role, in which case the person may be deemed ‘otherwise unqualified,’ or it did not, in which case asking the question itself unfairly marks those blacks who would succeed without discrimination.”

Earlier today, the Supreme Court returned once more to the divisive issue of affirmative action in higher education, and once more, Clarence Thomas left no doubt about where he stood. Although he joined Justice Anthony Kennedy’s anticlimactic majority opinion in Fisher v. University of Texas at Austin, which did not rule on the constitutionality of the school’s admissions policy but instead sent the dispute back to the federal appellate court for further proceedings, Thomas wrote separately to restate his longstanding case for abolishing racial preferences in public education once and for all.

“Although cloaked in good intentions, the University’s racial tinkering harms the very people it claims to be helping,” Thomas wrote. Returning to themes he has advanced throughout his career, Thomas argued in favor of a colorblind reading of the 14th Amendment. “The Equal Protection Clause strips States of all authority to use race as a factor in providing education,” he declared. “All applicants must be treated equally under the law, and no benefit in the eye of the beholder can justify racial discrimination.”

With the present case remanded back to the lower court and future challenges brewing on other university campuses, it’s likely this won’t be the last time we hear from Thomas on this particular question. But for now, his views remain those of a dissenter, unable to command a majority on the Supreme Court.

What Justice Thomas considers most damning of all, however, is the “badge of inferiority” stamped on racial minorities as a result of affirmative action.

When I was in law school, a few of the guys in my study group began comparing professors, as students do regularly, and they were quite open in their opinion that our black professor could not have been as intelligent, because she had benefited from affirmative action programs.

Thomas’ concurrence in Adarand Constructors, Inc. v. Pena, in which he wrote, “So-called ‘benign’ discrimination teaches many that because of chronic and apparently immutable handicaps, minorities cannot compete with them without their patronizing indulgence. Inevitably, such programs engender attitudes of superiority or, alternatively, provoke resentment among those who believe that they have been wronged by the government’s use of race.”

Maybe Clarence Thomas feels that if Affirmative Action didn't exist that people wouldn't discount his own personal achievements and many others which is why he's "hell bent" on destroying it?
https://www.google.com/search?q=cla...50,d.dmg&fp=f31f3434d3ff6ba1&biw=1680&bih=949
 

waggy

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Dec 14, 2000
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this thread..i ..don't know what to make of it.

if he didn't know "uncle tom' wasn't racist..well he is a idiot.

while he may be accurate it was a racist comment. it's amazing how many want to defend him.
 

monovillage

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Calling someone a Benedict Arnold is calling them a traitor.
Calling someone an Uncle Tom is calling them a racial traitor and is only applicable to black people, it just would make sense if you called a non-black person an Uncle Tom.
The racial factor in calling someone an Uncle Tom is what makes it racist. It's like it a white person called another white person a ni&&er lover. It's racist, pure and simple.

Trying to say this isn't racist is as silly as trying to say that birthers aren't racist. The arguments are bullshit and it's just people trying to defend anyone on their team.

Thanks for your honesty in this thread thraashman. It seems another time even though we disagree on many issues I have to salute your integrity on this one.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Jan 26, 2000
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Thanks for your honesty in this thread thraashman. It seems another time even though we disagree on many issues I have to salute your integrity on this one.

I have no respect for the intellectual integrity of birthers but neither do I for those who claim to know the reason why others think what they do. Knowing two birthers who ate sadly not that bright but not racist suggests the possibility of more.

The origin of "Uncle Tom" as an epithet is interesting. The original Uncle Tom wasn't an "Uncle Tom" but a complex character in a horrible situation. The book is a difficult and disturbing read. It was instead the simplistic character developed in minstrel shows following the civil war that formed the basis for the term.
 

Atreus21

Lifer
Aug 21, 2007
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Calling someone a Benedict Arnold is calling them a traitor.
Calling someone an Uncle Tom is calling them a racial traitor and is only applicable to black people, it just would make sense if you called a non-black person an Uncle Tom.
The racial factor in calling someone an Uncle Tom is what makes it racist. It's like it a white person called another white person a ni&&er lover. It's racist, pure and simple.

Trying to say this isn't racist is as silly as trying to say that birthers aren't racist. The arguments are bullshit and it's just people trying to defend anyone on their team.

:thumbsup:
 

lopri

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Jul 27, 2002
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It would be stupid of anyone to think the left is somehow free of racism (or sexism for that matter) It is reprehensible all the same.