Unbiased look at the 6xx CPus

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: L3p3rM355i4h
Can you prove to me, why it doesn't?

Between both SOI and SS, the gains are very sigificant, probably the "magical" 400mhz you talk about. Plus, the 90nm process is maturing and the dies are becoming better.

Sure, change your cpu cooler to a better one and tell me if you get a 400mhz OC out of it.

 

[Leper Messiah]

acutally....That is kinda true for me. With my clawhammer, i could get maybe 2.1-2.2 out of it at stock. Went with the venus 12 and I could get up to 2.4 abiet with more voltage than I was comfortable with. Between the three points I outlined, 3ghz is not impossible.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Being that this was originally a discussion between A64 and P4, I'd like to run benchmarks for my pc use.

If anything, this discussion has changed to comparing AMD models and their oc'ing.

Originally posted by: L3p3rM355i4h
why are you asking this here?

 

[Leper Messiah]

The OP took the discussion off topic. Not my fault.

 

[Capt Caveman]

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Wasn't blaming you.

 

[flatblastard]

Originally posted by: jbh129
In the end, if you want to discuss an Intel processor youre better off going to XS or another forum because every Intel thread in this place turns into the "AMD Rulez" nonsense.

I am only just now figuring this out for myself. Even after a couple months of lurking i hadn't really noticed to what extent the members of these forums are biased towards 'the other side'. Maybe we....er, uhm...I...(remembering to speak for myself) should consider taking Intel's strategy of just ignoring their comptetitor instead of getting all worked up over something that in the end will not effect day to day business.
Or in my case, day to day reading/posting.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

I haven't dubbed this place AMDMB v.2.0 for naught 😉 For enthusiasts and pros, it is just a matter of usage as to which is best suited, for most desktop users it is largely moot as I mentioned in the other thread that inspired this one. Brand loyalty is nearly as old as branding itself so par-for-the-course 🙂 On forums that allow custom avatars, I see Calvin wizzing on the Intel or AMD logo just like you see in traffic on bumper stickers, it perfectly encapsulates the mentality involved.

 

[Leper Messiah]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
I haven't dubbed this place AMDMB v.2.0 for naught 😉 For enthusiasts and pros, it is just a matter of usage as to which is best suited, for most desktop users it is largely moot as I mentioned in the other thread that inspired this one. Brand loyalty is nearly as old as branding itself so par-for-the-course 🙂 On forums that allow custom avatars, I see Calvin wizzing on the Intel or AMD logo just like you see in traffic on bumper stickers, it perfectly encapsulates the mentality involved.

Hey! don't mess with the AMD forums (pcper now 🙁 ). Most of us aren't fanbois, we just know price/performance ratios when we see them. Kinda like the 5800U vs. 9700pro. Its kinda obvious one is better than the other. If I was going to buy a lappy, however, it would most likely have a Dothan core (or is it banias? I get them mixed up, which one is newer?)

 

[flatblastard]

yes, a serious problem many potential consumers have. Too many of you are shopping for price. Thats why Dell and Walmart got so rich, catering to people who make buying decisions based MOSTLY on price. Many computer shoppers typically need some sort of chart or price/perfomance ratio sheet before making up their mind between a 3000,3200,3400...or...2.8,3.0,3.2, when in reality each one is nearly identical (at least in performance) i guess you could say the same for many auto buyers. All these charts and numbers just complicate things further even tho they are meant to simplify and help decision making easier....oh forget it, i lost my point....

 

[Leper Messiah]

ummm...yeah. Of course I shop for price! WTF are you talking about? I don't have 10k to build a computer, ive got maybe 900. So I build the best that I can for that price.

 

[jbh129]

Originally posted by: Duvie

Originally posted by: L3p3rM355i4h

Originally posted by: Sentential I could find the benches but it is clear you idiots dont have a clue

Yeah, because insulting me when you have no other choice in your own head is a good idea. What I'm trying to say, is that its roughly 150-175mhz difference for the 512k cache. (In the case of the 3200+) Add to the fact that the fastest clawhammer (FX-55@ 2.6ghz) doesn't beat a winchester @ 2.6ghz, and I believe you are beaten.

Yes FX55's are ocing higher but if I take my board run it up to HTT 289 but set the ram to 133 divider and cas 2,2,2,6 to get ram closer to that of the FX55 I beat it in about every test that can be tested without my vid card getting in the way.....How do you figure that??? I thought you said I needed 250-300 more.....

This guy is a shite-talker...he has made about 4 claims that ppl have asked him to link...only one did you give me some links for but they dont even make his claim....

He is obvious a senior member there by the fact of sure post numbers...not content

If you ran the fx-55 with the same HTT and multi as the winnie, the FX would win. The 1mb cache would give it a slight edge over the winnie.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Definitely getting better since the switch over, but I have seen so much anti-Intel FUD there *AMDMB* in the past that it became difficult to post or read there due to it. I recall posting up in the thread when they announced they would be encouraging Intel owners to start participating and warning flames against them would not be tolerated. The morons even came in that one reciting FUD, just in a less aggressive style :thumbsdown: It is a anti-big corporation mentality similar to the one they apply to MS, and it is cult like and scary IMO. I think the Southpark episode about Starbucks coming to town was good take on why being anti-big corp. can be the wrong bandwagon to jump on sometimes.

flatblastard, the thing to remember is that OEMs are where most buy their systems. Not only price, but warranty,and customer service&support are what many people look at when deciding whom to buy from. Dell, like it or not, ranks high traditionally in every area so it is no surprise to me that they sell the most systems. They have a good name, and even if outsourcing home tech support to 2nd or 3rd language english speakers is pulling it down a bit, it'll take a good while before the backlash is felt if at all. How many comparably priced&spec'ed big OEM systems still have their home user tech support here and can thus seperate themselves based on that anyways? I have no idea so I am asking this of anyone who might.

 

[flatblastard]

Originally posted by: L3p3rM355i4h
ummm...yeah. Of course I shop for price! WTF are you talking about? I don't have 10k to build a computer, ive got maybe 900. So I build the best that I can for that price.

Do you mean that you need a computer NOW and that you have a budget of $900 with which to buy with, or that you are not willing to wait/save money and are willing to spend no more than $900.00? I had a response ready but want to clarify this first.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: L3p3rM355i4h
acutally....That is kinda true for me. With my clawhammer, i could get maybe 2.1-2.2 out of it at stock. Went with the venus 12 and I could get up to 2.4 abiet with more voltage than I was comfortable with. Between the three points I outlined, 3ghz is not impossible.

You increased the voltage, we were talking about temperatures alone.

AMD will not (significantly, they may tweak it up a notch) increase the vcore of their core to reach the next speed bump (2.8ghz).

 

[flatblastard]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
Definitely getting better since the switch over, but I have seen so much anti-Intel FUD there *AMDMB* in the past that it became difficult to post or read there due to it. I recall posting up in the thread when they announced they would be encouraging Intel owners to start participating and warning flames against them would not be tolerated. The morons even came in that one reciting FUD, just in a less aggressive style :thumbsdown:

ahh well, at least they almost tried.

It is a anti-big corporation mentality similar to the one they apply to MS, and it is cult like and scary IMO. I think the Southpark episode about Starbucks coming to town was good take on why being anti-big corp. can be the wrong bandwagon to jump on sometimes.

I remember watching that episode, so i know what you mean.

flatblastard, the thing to remember is that OEMs are where most buy their systems. Not only price, but warranty,and customer service&support are what many people look at when deciding whom to buy from. Dell, like it or not, ranks high traditionally in every area so it is no surprise to me that they sell the most systems. They have a good name, and even if outsourcing home tech support to 2nd or 3rd language english speakers is pulling it down a bit, it'll take a good while before the backlash is felt if at all. How many comparably priced&spec'ed big OEM systems still have their home user tech support here and can thus seperate themselves based on that anyways? I have no idea so I am asking this of anyone who might.

I can't really blame big OEMs for giving stupid people what they ask/pay for! Nothing wrong with that. Thats what I do to people everyday when they walk into my place of employment. Sell them what they want, regardless of need/price. I guess that makes me just as bad/good(personal preference) as Dell 🙂

 

[DAPUNISHER]

It isn't accurate to call OEM customers stupid in general, largely ignorant in the field of computer hardware would be less insulting and more accurate, don't you think? We live in a uberbusy world and many simply have no time an/or desire to know more about it either. The computer is just another appliance and entertaiment center for most people, and much like those items a high degree of knowledge isn't requsite to enjoying and using them. Certainly the GUI does require more time learning than a microwave or even HDTV based home entertaiment center with all of the components, but even that gets more user friendly all the time. You and I are just the motorheads of the 70's, we have a passion for something most use all the time/every day but have very little knowledge about 😉

 

[Dravic]

It is a anti-big corporation mentality similar to the one they apply to MS, and it is cult like and scary IMO. I think the Southpark episode about Starbucks coming to town was good take on why being anti-big corp. can be the wrong bandwagon to jump on sometimes.

Its not all anti-big corporation mentality. You posting on enthusiats forums who aren't worried about who is the better company, and/or who is more profitable. We want the best product, and if its a better price EVEN better.

With each of the companies you listed the smaller compeditor company right now has the better product.

AMD > Intel
Linux > MS (as far as the server room goes now, desktop slowly coming along)
Local Mom and Pop coffee > Starbucks (this had always ben the case)

and as far as MS goes some of these big compaies haven't exaclty used superior products to get ahead, therefore deserving the fire they draw.

Now the Linux group is definately be the most fanatical.


As far as the OP topic. The 6xx series CPUs are a step in the right direction for intel. They had major heat issues with teh 5xx series and have begun to fix this issue. But, as far as the enthusiat crowd they still are not worth the extra cost, and I think their pricing stradegy for teh 6xx line is a bad move. they should have kept the same price point or slight above the 5xx line, and at least remained close to amd on price/performance ratios.

 

[Acanthus]

Ahh yeah, no one uses intel for a brand name associated with stability and performance.

Linux certainly has a more user friendly interface than windows... what was i thinking, spending 20 minutes installing a driver is great!

And everyone goes to starbucks for their expensive crappy coffee... (its by far the best in town here)

 

[flatblastard]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
It isn't accurate to call OEM customers stupid in general, largely ignorant in the field of computer hardware would be less insulting and more accurate, don't you think? We live in a uberbusy world and many simply have no time an/or desire to know more about it either. The computer is just another appliance and entertaiment center for most people, and much like those items a high degree of knowledge isn't requsite to enjoying and using them. Certainly the GUI does require more time learning than a microwave or even HDTV based home entertaiment center with all of the components, but even that gets more user friendly all the time. You and I are just the motorheads of the 70's, we have a passion for something most use all the time/every day but have very little knowledge about 😉

Yes, you got me there. Just trying to appeal to all of the "uberbusy" people out there by using smaller, easier to understand words! 🙂 But I guess insulting is no way to appeal to that audience either, not that i want to..heehee.

 

[CaBoOse999]

This isn't quite following the flow of the topic but I can reach close to 2.6 Ghz stable on my 3200 winchester with stock cooling . Tell me they dont overclock well...

 

[DrMrLordX]

Damn, this thread makes me wish FelixdaCat was still posting here.

. . .

right. Anyway, Anandtech produced a nice, unbiased report on the 6xx-series P4s already. I don't much see the point to this thread, other than to rile up the AMD fans.

 

[ribbon13]

What's next AMD fanboi's saying Dual Opteron > Dual Xeon : SQL?? Jesus... They both have thier uses.

I hail P4s. Let the majority buy them. If that' wasn't the case do you think the AMD engineers would work so hard to bring us better shit?


This is like arguing wether chocolate malted crunch is better than cappucino caramel swirl....

 

[clarkey01]

I will just say this to keep them happy


The new 6 series is great, overclocks great too, loads of new features, well worth the price. No doubt they'd sell anyway if they were just average.

Now, let me going to dreaming of K8's.

 

[ribbon13]

Originally posted by: clarkey01
I will just say this to keep them happy


The new 6 series is great, overclocks great too, loads of new features, well worth the price. No doubt they'd sell anyway if they were just average.

Now, let me going to dreaming of K9's.

Fixed. Now... Toledo, Denmark, or Italy?

 

[clarkey01]

Originally posted by: ribbon13

Originally posted by: clarkey01
I will just say this to keep them happy


The new 6 series is great, overclocks great too, loads of new features, well worth the price. No doubt they'd sell anyway if they were just average.

Now, let me going to dreaming of K9's.

Fixed. Now... Toledo, Denmark, or Italy?

Ah yeah, the orignal K9 has been pushed back and renamed the K10, and the dual core K8's will now be known as the K9's.

Denmark is the dual core FX me thinks ?, wanna sort me one out Ribbon