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i'm not sure why sites do this. it's not even that hard to make up a GDPR privacy policy and put it in place for your site. unless they don't want to do one of the requirements like "right to be forgotten" or something like that.
 
So what would happen is said site was entirely based in the US but allowed users in the EU to at least view it's content?
 
brianmanahan said:
i'm not sure why sites do this. it's not even that hard to make up a GDPR privacy policy and put it in place for your site. unless they don't want to do one of the requirements like "right to be forgotten" or something like that.
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a lot of talk and no action...hahahaaa
 
brianmanahan said:
i'm not sure why sites do this. it's not even that hard to make up a GDPR privacy policy and put it in place for your site. unless they don't want to do one of the requirements like "right to be forgotten" or something like that.
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Why should someone not in the EU even give a shit?

If the government in Sheepfuckastan passes a law regulating the internet would you put effect into following it?

If Texas pass an Internet regulation law should people in Belgium put effort into being Texas compliant?

Do the Owners of this site put an effort into compiling with the laws of Iran, China, and North Korea?
 
Jon-T said:
Why should someone not in the EU even give a shift?
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well if you do business in the EU you can still get fined there, like google just did to the tune of 57$M. now whether they pay that or not is to be determined, i'm sure they'll fight it in any case. but maybe they'll just pay it since 57$M is about %0.04 of their total revenue.

i sell stuff in the EU so i complied with it which was pretty easy, only took me a few hours. i probably didn't have to since there are about a bazillion people/companies that do more business than me there. but oh well.
 
brianmanahan said:
i'm not sure why sites do this. it's not even that hard to make up a GDPR privacy policy and put it in place for your site. unless they don't want to do one of the requirements like "right to be forgotten" or something like that.
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I think the bigger issue for them is that the GDPR makes sites have to be transparent about what too many sites rely on for their revenue stream (selling user data), so its not just an issue of compliance but rather it would drastically impact their income as few people would opt-in to have their data sold.
 
Exterous said:
TIL that the second smallest continent = The World.
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Ikr?
Why would the US with dem 320m people want to do business with 740m europeans. Noo. Much better keep selling dey' videogames and various IP-related products n services to Africa, which is well known as a voracious consumer of web-based products.
 
DigDog said:
Ikr?
Why would the US with dem 320m people want to do business with 740m europeans. Noo. Much better keep selling dey' videogames and various IP-related products n services to Africa, which is well known as a voracious consumer of web-based products.
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We could just keep doing business with the 1.9 billion people in the top 3 economies in the world 😉
 
Exterous said:
We could just keep doing business with the 1.9 billion people in the top 3 economies in the world 😉
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Ye buddy, im sure Japan wants to read the Washington Post.

I dont know if you understand that trading steel and trading online services is not the same. But im gonna go with no.

Oh look china has data protection laws too: https://www.computerworlduk.com/data/how-chinas-data-privacy-law-was-inspired-by-gdpr-3678918/
And so does India: https://www.pwc.in/consulting/cyber...rganisations-prepare-for-the-gdpr-regime.html

Good luck buddy. Im sure the powerful economy of mozambique is interested in buying your financial services.
 
DigDog said:
Pretty sure GDPR is something you gotta implement at some point if you wanna do business, you know, in the world
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DigDog said:
I dont know if you understand that trading steel and trading online services is not the same. But im gonna go with no.

Oh look china has data protection laws too: https://www.computerworlduk.com/data/how-chinas-data-privacy-law-was-inspired-by-gdpr-3678918/
And so does India: https://www.pwc.in/consulting/cyber...rganisations-prepare-for-the-gdpr-regime.html
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I dont know if you understand that China and India don't require GDPR compliance but im gonna go with no. Sure they have their own laws but complying with those is not the same as complying with GDRP. You can try and move the goalposts all you want but compliance with GDPR is not required to do business with, you know, the world - just the EU
 
GDRP is eventually coming to the US. I believe California is the first state in the process to adopt similar measures. Once that happens the rest of the states will fall into line.
 
Exterous said:
I dont know if you understand that China and India don't require GDPR compliance but im gonna go with no. Sure they have their own laws but complying with those is not the same as complying with GDRP. You can try and move the goalposts all you want but compliance with GDPR is not required to do business with, you know, the world - just the EU
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That gold you got is for stating the obvious. You gotta comply with every data protection regulation of every country you deal with. BOTH of those are based on GDPR, and while technically you could on purpose implement one but not the other, your attitude of im murican i don need no foreign laws would still prevent you from doing business with ANY country that has a data protection law you dont comply with.
On top of that, data protection affects far more businesses that handle data than those who handle materials. You still wouldnt be able to add a cookie to a chinese-based web address, so no luck selling anything online. Or storing customer information. Or addresses.
It's disingenuos to tell me that chinas data protection isnt GDPR when *i* pointed you to their data protection law, which i assume you didnt read because why would you. 'Murica depends on financial services which live and die by data processing, and even more so WEB BASED services. Do you want to go back to 1990 when your webpage is a phone number in comic sans?
There is waaay more trade in online service products with the EU than there is with china, or india, or south america. In fact we rank ... lemme check ... n1 as your trade export:
https://ustr.gov/countries-regions/europe-middle-east/europe/european-union
And considering you are at a 50% trade deficit, maybe you gotta check that attitude of yours.
Export of services - which are STRICTLY dependant on data protection compliance - were $230b last year, vs $270bhard goods. Lets get ready to lose that 45% mmk?
 
DigDog said:
You gotta comply with every data protection regulation of every country you deal with
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Yep. But China doesn't use GDPR so its completely incorrect to say that you need to comply with GDPR to do business in the world

BOTH of those are based on GDPR
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Based on. Which is a phrase I don't think you understand. Complying with China's rules doesn't mean you are in compliance with GDPR or vise versa. In fact there are several notable differences. One of the biggest is that it is actually quite easy to get a waiver from China's rules which would put you quite far from complying or being similar with GDPR. Also GDPR uses explicit consent while China allows provisions for "implied". So, in reality, compliance with China's rules can be wholly irrelevant to GDPR compliance and is, if anything, support for my argument that you can do business "in the world" without GDPR compliance

your attitude of im murican i don need no foreign laws
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I seemed to have touched a nerve. Please point out where I said anything close to that. All I did was point out that the EU and their laws are different from the rest of the worlds. Is that really something we need to debate?

'Murica depends on financial services which live and die by data processing, and even more so WEB BASED services. Do you want to go back to 1990 when your webpage is a phone number in comic sans?
There is waaay more trade in online service products with the EU than there is with china, or india, or south america. In fact we rank ... lemme check ... n1 as your trade export:
https://ustr.gov/countries-regions/europe-middle-east/europe/european-union
And considering you are at a 50% trade deficit, maybe you gotta check that attitude of yours.
Export of services - which are STRICTLY dependant on data protection compliance - were $230b last year, vs $270bhard goods. Lets get ready to lose that 45% mmk?
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You seem to be confusing the argument here. My point is ONLY that the EU is not the world so compliance with GDPR is not required to do business "in the world". A tangent was made for your erroneous involvement of china's rules. Feel free to go on an on about irrelevant discussions about trading partners, financial services etc. but none of that changes the fact that you can choose to not comply with GDPR and still do business in other areas of the world. And that's not something that is a 'Murica thing either. It's also true for Japanese companies, Chinese companies, Brazilian companies, Indian companies, Russian...well you get the idea
 
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Exterous said:
Yep. But China doesn't use GDPR so its completely incorrect to say that you need to comply with GDPR to do business in the world



Based on. Which is a phrase I don't think you understand. Complying with China's rules doesn't mean you are in compliance with GDPR or vise versa. In fact there are several notable differences. One of the biggest is that it is actually quite easy to get a waiver from China's rules which would put you quite far from complying or being similar with GDPR. Also GDPR uses explicit consent while China allows provisions for "implied". So, in reality, compliance with China's rules can be wholly irrelevant to GDPR compliance and is, if anything, support for my argument that you can do business "in the world" without GDPR compliance



I seemed to have touched a nerve. Please point out where I said anything close to that. All I did was point out that the EU and their laws are different from the rest of the worlds. Is that really something we need to debate?



You seem to be confusing the argument here. My point is ONLY that the EU is not the world so compliance with GDPR is not required to do business "in the world". A tangent was made for your erroneous involvement of china's rules. Feel free to go on an on about irrelevant discussions about trading partners, financial services etc. but none of that changes the fact that you can choose to not comply with GDPR and still do business in other areas of the world. And that's not something that is a 'Murica thing either. It's also true for Japanese companies, Chinese companies, Brazilian companies, Indian companies, Russian...well you get the idea
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Yeah, except for the fact that you are wrong, everything else is fine.

GDPR compliance isnt obtained by signing a paper that says "i comply with GDPR", but by adopting a series of procedures- such as data portability, or the right to be forgotten, where implementing it for one regulation would cover you for the other. You would need to specifically design a system that doesnt comply with GDPR if you wanted to trade with india *but* not be allowed to trade with europe because of the overlap of the two. You can't say"oh we comply with data protection, just not with YOUR data protection".
These are laws that require some effort to put in place, often rebuilding how the entire structure captures, stores and processes data - hundreds of hours of downtime, massive migrations, implementation of new enterprise software, new internal protocols. It makes no sense for ANY business to want to avoid a specific legislation, considering that the world over they are based on the same concepts.
This isn't an argument about phrasing but about the reality of having data protection as an online business whose primary exports are towards the EU. No data protection = no work. I suppose you could do that work relating to the biggest 3 industries of the world that the US does not actually export to.

There is a reason that message is on that website - no work was done at all on this front. They dont comply with EU data protection, they dont comply with any, because they are still on their old as dirt systems from 10 years ago.

Fact: you lose exports to the EU, you lose your n1 export market. There are no "three bigger economies" because you are not selling to them.
Fact: you dont put in the work, you won't be able to comply with ANY data protection.

And get ready to do everything in-house because one of your data processors might want to do business in a GDPR country, requiring data-portability formats.
Planning to sell that data? EU based processors.
 
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DigDog said:
https://www.atlanticcityweekly.com/

Im getting the same legal warning page.
Pretty sure GDPR is something you gotta implement at some point, if you wanna do business, you know, in the world.
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It's a little local web page. They rate hot wings at local restaurants. They tell you the local bands playing at the local bar.

If it's like the other stories I read this little local Mom and Pop shop received an email telling them they must comply with EU laws or risk being fined. So they had their web guy just block the trouble causers.
 
Jon-T said:
It's a little local web page. They rate hot wings at local restaurants. They tell you the local bands playing at the local bar.

If it's like the other stories I read this little local Mom and Pop shop received an email telling them they must comply with EU laws or risk being fined. So they had their web guy just block the trouble causers.
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Yes?
If they have no profit, they can sure block every IP that could lead them to a breach of international legislations.
But if you are not a data processor, it makes it easy to comply to these regulations. There is nothing weird about GDPR, it's basically the old DPA adjusted so personally identifyiable subjects retain ownership of their data. What this means is that:
1. You need to store data in a format that is legible if the customer requests it i.e. no propietary COBOL-based formats and such.
2. You need a splash screen telling people you collect data, which is basically the "we use cookies" you see everywhere.

In fact that website could well likely already be GDPR compliant if only they had someone attest that they are. Not being ready for that is pure laziness, or if they reeeeally dont want to spend $200 to get their webmaster to confirm them, but are somehow paranoid about having a data leak.
Im not trying to Nazi a mom n pop website, but it's important to understand that the internet is a global affair.
 
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