UN just referred Iran to the security council

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: Meuge

Originally posted by: Strk
China will veto anything about Iran.

They might, but that's not the point. Referral of Iran to the security council, and their immediate display of defiance (which will only get worse as days pass) serves to legitimize the upcoming destruction of its nuclear facilities.

Exactly.

 

[Polish3d]

Originally posted by: spunkz

Originally posted by: The Linuxator

Originally posted by: Rommels
What happened to it's nuke reactor...

Answer, Israel bombed the ever living poo out of it.

I don't think China will veto.

Iran can suck my...

Do you guys want countries like Iran to stop thinking about having nuclear weapons or even nuclear power, just disarm Israel of it's illegal nuclear arsenal, and bring down any nuclear research or power plants they might have then it will be fair, otherwise I say give Iran the nukes at least it will put some balance in the region.

how about we not give nukes to the guy who has publicly stated that he wants Israel wiped off the map.

These idiots act like Israel and Iran are at the same level of responsibility, which is a complete joke and more of that moral equivalency crap that dumbasses use to try and make an argument against an almost indisputable truth. (Same thing as "Oh France has nukes so why can't North Korea have them; gotta be fair!")

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: Frackal

Originally posted by: spunkz

Originally posted by: The Linuxator

Originally posted by: Rommels
What happened to it's nuke reactor...

Answer, Israel bombed the ever living poo out of it.

I don't think China will veto.

Iran can suck my...

Do you guys want countries like Iran to stop thinking about having nuclear weapons or even nuclear power, just disarm Israel of it's illegal nuclear arsenal, and bring down any nuclear research or power plants they might have then it will be fair, otherwise I say give Iran the nukes at least it will put some balance in the region.

how about we not give nukes to the guy who has publicly stated that he wants Israel wiped off the map.

These idiots act like Israel and Iran are at the same level of responsibility, which is a complete joke and more of that moral equivalency crap that dumbasses use to try and make an argument against an almost indisputable truth. (Same thing as "Oh France has nukes so why can't North Korea have them; gotta be fair!")

1) Iran has stated it intends only to build nuclear reactors for power. To this day, zero hard proof by the UN, US, or any other agency has proved otherwise.

2) Typical brainwashed thinking to expect Iran to be unable to handle the responsiblity WMDs should they have them. If Faux News and President Boosh say Iran will go on the offensive with WMDs (rather than using them as a means of national defense), it must be true. The government must be like one big suicide bomber...OMG! The only problem is that Iran has never waged an offensive war in the modern history of their country.

Of course, speculation is awesome, especially since all the armchair quarterbacks here know all the ins and outs of international politics. Iran threatened Israel? So what? Boosh has threatened military action against Iraq, Iran, and North Korea since his Axis of Evil speech. Politics is politics; do politicians make good on 100% of their promises, or are they merely trying to gain popularity among their public?

I'm going to hold my prediction that anything but sanctions will result in a large scale conflict between Iran and the attacking party. Iran has every right to exist without being attacked, and every right to respond when attacked, just like we do. All this pre-emptive strike bullsh1t that Boosh invented is going to lead to more mistakes, like Iraq.

 

[Rommels]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: spunkz

Originally posted by: The Linuxator

Originally posted by: Rommels
What happened to it's nuke reactor...

Answer, Israel bombed the ever living poo out of it.

I don't think China will veto.

Iran can suck my...

Do you guys want countries like Iran to stop thinking about having nuclear weapons or even nuclear power, just disarm Israel of it's illegal nuclear arsenal, and bring down any nuclear research or power plants they might have then it will be fair, otherwise I say give Iran the nukes at least it will put some balance in the region.

how about we not give nukes to the guy who has publicly stated that he wants Israel wiped off the map.

We don't have the legal option of "giving" or "taking" anything from Iran because they are a sovereign nation.

Iran can produce whatever they want on their own. Unlike Israel who bought their nukes from the US.

And it's quaint for some of you guys to believe that bombing Iran will be met with "protests" and "cries". It will most likely be met with missile strikes on Tel Aviv. It will have a very real chance of destabilizing the entire region (Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan border one another).

As you say; sovereign nation. Israel has the right to defend itself. If Iran chooses to threaten; then let the two of them solve the problem.
If Israel handles the situation; they will have looked at all possible retaliation options and be on alert to act accordingly.
The IDF was on a priority alert at the top level in '81 ready to handle anything coming in from Egypt, Syria and the other members of the No-Israel gang.

Israel will win again...I got $100 on it today ;p

Where do I get some of that Kool-aid that will make me believe Iran is hiding it's nuke program because it only wants it for power.

They want power all right...the power to blow Isreal off the face of Earth...

 

[flavio]

"First, the NPT allows uranium conversion and other processes central to enrichment.

Secondly, the Esfahan facility is under IAEA safeguards and as recently as September 2 , i.e. nearly a month after Iran resumed uranium conversion there, the Director-General of the Agency, Mohammad El-Baradei, certified that "all the declared nuclear material in Iran has been accounted for and, therefore, such material is not diverted to prohibited activities."

Thirdly, the agreement to suspend enrichment, which Iran reached with the EU-3 at Paris last November, clearly states that "the E3/EU recognize that this suspension is a voluntary confidence building measure and not a legal obligation." In other words, if the voluntary suspension was not a legal obligation, the ending of that suspension can hardly be made the grounds for legal action by either the IAEA or the UN.

there is no evidence whatsoever that Iran has produced weapon-grade uranium. Despite intrusive inspections, no facility or plan to produce weapon-grade uranium has been discovered, nor have any weapon designs surfaced."

Source...


This is just Bush/PNAC war marketing....WAKE UP!

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: Rommels
Israel will win again...I got $100 on it today ;p

Hopefully it will not come to it or Israel will not have to use the Eagles.
I am to old to get recalled again.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

Originally posted by: Rommels
Israel will win again...I got $100 on it today ;p

Hopefully it will not come to it or Israel will not have to use the Eagles.
I am to old to get recalled again.

You're an Israeli pilot?

 

[StageLeft]

They can't do anything because the UN is paralyzed by internal conflict and apathy/indolence. Nobody really cares enough. As the Iraq debacle showed, it would take probably Iran putting up video footage of them making, testing, and selling nukes to anybody who wanted them because the UN would unanimously agree to do anything that actually matters.

 

[Rommels]

Originally posted by: flavio
"First, the NPT allows uranium conversion and other processes central to enrichment.

Secondly, the Esfahan facility is under IAEA safeguards and as recently as September 2 , i.e. nearly a month after Iran resumed uranium conversion there, the Director-General of the Agency, Mohammad El-Baradei, certified that "all the declared nuclear material in Iran has been accounted for and, therefore, such material is not diverted to prohibited activities."

Thirdly, the agreement to suspend enrichment, which Iran reached with the EU-3 at Paris last November, clearly states that "the E3/EU recognize that this suspension is a voluntary confidence building measure and not a legal obligation." In other words, if the voluntary suspension was not a legal obligation, the ending of that suspension can hardly be made the grounds for legal action by either the IAEA or the UN.

there is no evidence whatsoever that Iran has produced weapon-grade uranium. Despite intrusive inspections, no facility or plan to produce weapon-grade uranium has been discovered, nor have any weapon designs surfaced."

Source...


This is just Bush/PNAC war marketing....WAKE UP!

If they have nothing to hide there is no reason to throw out inspectors.

 

[flavio]

Originally posted by: Rommels

Originally posted by: flavio
"First, the NPT allows uranium conversion and other processes central to enrichment.

Secondly, the Esfahan facility is under IAEA safeguards and as recently as September 2 , i.e. nearly a month after Iran resumed uranium conversion there, the Director-General of the Agency, Mohammad El-Baradei, certified that "all the declared nuclear material in Iran has been accounted for and, therefore, such material is not diverted to prohibited activities."

Thirdly, the agreement to suspend enrichment, which Iran reached with the EU-3 at Paris last November, clearly states that "the E3/EU recognize that this suspension is a voluntary confidence building measure and not a legal obligation." In other words, if the voluntary suspension was not a legal obligation, the ending of that suspension can hardly be made the grounds for legal action by either the IAEA or the UN.

there is no evidence whatsoever that Iran has produced weapon-grade uranium. Despite intrusive inspections, no facility or plan to produce weapon-grade uranium has been discovered, nor have any weapon designs surfaced."

Source...


This is just Bush/PNAC war marketing....WAKE UP!

If they have nothing to hide there is no reason to throw out inspectors.

That was a response to there being no reason for being referred to the Security Council. I'm fairly sure the inspections were voluntary in the first place.

 

[Polish3d]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Frackal

Originally posted by: spunkz

Originally posted by: The Linuxator

Originally posted by: Rommels
What happened to it's nuke reactor...

Answer, Israel bombed the ever living poo out of it.

I don't think China will veto.

Iran can suck my...

Do you guys want countries like Iran to stop thinking about having nuclear weapons or even nuclear power, just disarm Israel of it's illegal nuclear arsenal, and bring down any nuclear research or power plants they might have then it will be fair, otherwise I say give Iran the nukes at least it will put some balance in the region.

how about we not give nukes to the guy who has publicly stated that he wants Israel wiped off the map.

These idiots act like Israel and Iran are at the same level of responsibility, which is a complete joke and more of that moral equivalency crap that dumbasses use to try and make an argument against an almost indisputable truth. (Same thing as "Oh France has nukes so why can't North Korea have them; gotta be fair!")

1) Iran has stated it intends only to build nuclear reactors for power. To this day, zero hard proof by the UN, US, or any other agency has proved otherwise.

2) Typical brainwashed thinking to expect Iran to be unable to handle the responsiblity WMDs should they have them. If Faux News and President Boosh say Iran will go on the offensive with WMDs (rather than using them as a means of national defense), it must be true. The government must be like one big suicide bomber...OMG! The only problem is that Iran has never waged an offensive war in the modern history of their country.

Of course, speculation is awesome, especially since all the armchair quarterbacks here know all the ins and outs of international politics. Iran threatened Israel? So what? Boosh has threatened military action against Iraq, Iran, and North Korea since his Axis of Evil speech. Politics is politics; do politicians make good on 100% of their promises, or are they merely trying to gain popularity among their public?

I'm going to hold my prediction that anything but sanctions will result in a large scale conflict between Iran and the attacking party. Iran has every right to exist without being attacked, and every right to respond when attacked, just like we do. All this pre-emptive strike bullsh1t that Boosh invented is going to lead to more mistakes, like Iraq.

You're too immature to even spell the name of a leader or news channel you disagree with correctly, instead resorting to playground-level name distortion insults... Who gives a ****** what you think? I certainly don't after reading that crap.

 

[ericlp]

Human sacrifice, dogs and cats, living together... mass hysteria!

Yes!!! The Evil Boosh has spoken! They are delivering the Nukes tomorrow!


Be Very VERY Afraid! Bhhhhaaaa! (sheep sounds) ? People!!!

They are 2-5 years away from making WMD?s?

Besides, I?m sure Iran has dirty suitcase bombs already planted in a city near you.

Give me a break!!!!!! More Bushwacked phreaks going out on a limb again it seems. Time for tin foil hats and BS protectors.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: Frackal

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Frackal

Originally posted by: spunkz

Originally posted by: The Linuxator

Originally posted by: Rommels
What happened to it's nuke reactor...

Answer, Israel bombed the ever living poo out of it.

I don't think China will veto.

Iran can suck my...

Do you guys want countries like Iran to stop thinking about having nuclear weapons or even nuclear power, just disarm Israel of it's illegal nuclear arsenal, and bring down any nuclear research or power plants they might have then it will be fair, otherwise I say give Iran the nukes at least it will put some balance in the region.

how about we not give nukes to the guy who has publicly stated that he wants Israel wiped off the map.

These idiots act like Israel and Iran are at the same level of responsibility, which is a complete joke and more of that moral equivalency crap that dumbasses use to try and make an argument against an almost indisputable truth. (Same thing as "Oh France has nukes so why can't North Korea have them; gotta be fair!")

1) Iran has stated it intends only to build nuclear reactors for power. To this day, zero hard proof by the UN, US, or any other agency has proved otherwise.

2) Typical brainwashed thinking to expect Iran to be unable to handle the responsiblity WMDs should they have them. If Faux News and President Boosh say Iran will go on the offensive with WMDs (rather than using them as a means of national defense), it must be true. The government must be like one big suicide bomber...OMG! The only problem is that Iran has never waged an offensive war in the modern history of their country.

Of course, speculation is awesome, especially since all the armchair quarterbacks here know all the ins and outs of international politics. Iran threatened Israel? So what? Boosh has threatened military action against Iraq, Iran, and North Korea since his Axis of Evil speech. Politics is politics; do politicians make good on 100% of their promises, or are they merely trying to gain popularity among their public?

I'm going to hold my prediction that anything but sanctions will result in a large scale conflict between Iran and the attacking party. Iran has every right to exist without being attacked, and every right to respond when attacked, just like we do. All this pre-emptive strike bullsh1t that Boosh invented is going to lead to more mistakes, like Iraq.

You're too immature to even spell the name of a leader or news channel you disagree with correctly, instead resorting to playground-level name distortion insults... Who gives a ****** what you think? I certainly don't after reading that crap.

Oh no, couldn't find any facts to back your position so you had to attack my spelling of your fearless leader? Speaks volumes about your [lack of] evidence backing your position. AT P&N seems to be a club for high school debate team rejects who couldn't argue their way out of a school yard debate.

If you want to rehash the talking points from the latest White House news conference led by Troop Master McClellan, there are plenty of right-leaning forums where nobody will make you defend your position with evidence.

Of course, if you do find evidence that Iran has 1) violated any part of the NPT 2) pursued building nuclear weapons 3) has waged unprovoked war against another country...please let us know. As it stands, it seems to me that Iran is following the letter of the law, and we're coming up with new excuses to attack.

 

[MicroChrome]

I'd like to know where we are going to get the $$ to attack...

What? Bush just asked congress for what? 140Billion? Drop in the bucket if we go on some insane death march to attack 'another' country. We can't even support the war we got going on now and now he wants to attack another country?

This guy is off his rocker....Bush that is and anyone that is with him. Put 2 + 2 together... It's not going to happen... You guys are making mountains out of mole hills again.

 

[TGS]

Originally posted by: MicroChrome
I'd like to know where we are going to get the $$ to attack...

What? Bush just asked congress for what? 140Billion? Drop in the bucket if we go on some insane death march to attack 'another' country. We can't even support the war we got going on now and now he wants to attack another country?

This guy is off his rocker....Bush that is and anyone that is with him. Put 2 + 2 together... It's not going to happen... You guys are making mountains out of mole hills again.

[sarcasm]

What are you talking about? It's time for us to roll out the Mission Accomplished 2 banners, and roll across the borders.

[/sarcasm]

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: MicroChrome
I'd like to know where we are going to get the $$ to attack...

What? Bush just asked congress for what? 140Billion? Drop in the bucket if we go on some insane death march to attack 'another' country. We can't even support the war we got going on now and now he wants to attack another country?

This guy is off his rocker....Bush that is and anyone that is with him. Put 2 + 2 together... It's not going to happen... You guys are making mountains out of mole hills again.

There is a great difference between a war and a military action. Blowing up selective sites can be done on the cheap. The real problem is political, especially if facilities are placed in urban centers near lots of kids.

I have rethought my position on Iran having nukes. I really didn't care much either way, but the recent violence in Europe and elsewhere suggests an effective unstable element which cannot be trusted. Iran has effectively declared war on Israel, and now just needs the means. I don't trust them while on the other hand Israel has them and has not used them, demonstrating the quality of self-restraint.

 

[morkinva]

Originally posted by: ericlp
Human sacrifice, dogs and cats, living together... mass hysteria!

Yes!!! The Evil Boosh has spoken! They are delivering the Nukes tomorrow!


Be Very VERY Afraid! Bhhhhaaaa! (sheep sounds) ? People!!!

They are 2-5 years away from making WMD?s?

Besides, I?m sure Iran has dirty suitcase bombs already planted in a city near you.

Give me a break!!!!!! More Bushwacked phreaks going out on a limb again it seems. Time for tin foil hats and BS protectors.

cool... ghostbusters!

Washington Post reports 10 years from bomb

 

[Orignal Earl]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Unlike Israel who bought their nukes from the US.

I'm pretty sure the U.S. had nothing to do with Israels nukes

The United States had been opposed to Israel acquiring the bomb - an August 2005 BBC investigation showed that in the late 1950s the US rejected an Israeli request to sell it heavy water, because of Israel's refusal to guarantee it would be used only for civilian purposes. Subsequently, because the world's largest supplier of heavy water, Norway, did not have enough stock, Britain sold Israel 20 tons of surplus heavy water, without requiring safeguards, or informing the US. The decision to ship 10 tons in June 1959, and another 10 tons a year later, appears to have been made entirely by civil servants at the Foreign and Commonwealth Office, without political involvement. A 1961 request for a further five tons was declined - again without ministerial involvement - after a Daily Express report the year before on Israel's activities at Dimona had made the issue too politically sensitive.[2]. Construction at Dimona started in 1958 and the reactor there is estimated to have gone live four to six years later.

The first public revelation of Israel's nuclear capability (as opposed to development programme) came in the London-based Sunday Times on October 5, 1986, which printed information provided by Mordechai Vanunu, formerly employed at the Negev Nuclear Research Center, a facility located in the Negev desert south of Dimona. For publication of state secrets, he was sentenced to 18 years in prison for treason and espionage.

In 1998, former Prime Minister Shimon Peres said that Israel "built a nuclear option, not in order to have a Hiroshima but an Oslo." [3]. ("Hiroshima" refers to the atomic bombing of Hiroshima, while "Oslo" refers to the Oslo Peace Accords). The "nuclear option" may refer to a nuclear weapon or to the nuclear reactor in Dimona, which Israel claims is used for scientific research. However, no scientific report from the Dimona nuclear facility has ever appeared in a peer reviewed scientific journal. Peres, in his capacity as the Director General of the Ministry of Defense in the early 1950s, was responsible for building Israel's nuclear capability.

Israel and weapons of mass destruction