UN just referred Iran to the security council

[Aimster]

What will Iran's response be?

 

[UNCjigga]

So will the Security Council actually get anything done? Wait...didn't the US rep just take over as head of the security council?

Yep, John Bolton is president of the UN Security Council as of a few weeks ago. Great timing.

Oh and to answer your question...what CAN Iran do? If they are sanctioned, they are sanctioned. Their best option right now is diplomacy.

 

[morkinva]

John Bolton, cfr member and PNAC co-founder? Good idea!

 

[OrganizedChaos]

Originally posted by: UNCjigga
So will the Security Council actually get anything done? Wait...didn't the US rep just take over as head of the security council?

Yep, John Bolton is president of the UN Security Council as of a few weeks ago. Great timing.

Oh and to answer your question...what CAN Iran do? If they are sanctioned, they are sanctioned. Their best option right now is diplomacy.

one has to wonder what other countries were thinking, letting a PNAC member head the security council.

 

[Strk]

China will veto anything about Iran.

 

[GroundedSailor]

Originally posted by: Aimster
What will Iran's response be?

Here's your answer:
http://breakingnews.iol.ie/news/story.asp?j=73427072&p=734z7374

Iran to resume uranium enrichment 'immediately'

Iran today said it would ?immediately? set into motion steps to restart full-scale uranium enrichment and curtail the inspecting powers of the International Atomic Energy Agency. Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is pictured.

Iran today said it would ?immediately? set into motion steps to restart full-scale uranium enrichment and curtail the inspecting powers of the International Atomic Energy Agency.

Javed Vaeidi, the deputy head of Iran?s powerful Security Council, was reacting to his country?s referral to the UN Security Council over suspicions it might be seeking to develop nuclear arms.

He spoke just minutes after the International Atomic Energy Agency?s 35-nation board voted for referral.

The decision by the IAEA decision sets the stage for future action by the top UN body that could include economic and political sanctions.

Still, any such moves were weeks if not months away, with two permanent council members ? Russia and China ? agreeing to referral only on condition that no council action be taken until at least March.

A European resolution backed by the United States calling for referral was backed by 27 nations at the meeting.

Only three nations ? Cuba, Syria and Venezuela ? voted against. Five others - Algeria, Belarus, Indonesia, Libya and South Africa abstained.

Among those backing referral was India, a nation with great weight in the developing world whose stance on referral was unclear until the vote.

A copy of the resolution links the decision to ask for Tehran?s referral to the country?s breaches of the nuclear non-proliferation treaty and lack of confidence that it is not trying to make weapons.

The resolution expresses ?serious concerns about Iran?s nuclear program.? It recalls ?Iran?s many failures and breaches of its obligations? to the non-proliferation treaty. And it expresses ?the absence of confidence that Iran?s nuclear program is exclusively for peaceful purposes?.

It requests IAEA Director General Mohamed ElBaradei to ?report to the Security Council? steps Iran needs to take to dispel suspicions about its nuclear ambitions.

The resolution calls on Iran to:

:: Re-establish a freeze on uranium enrichment and related activities.

:: Consider whether to stop construction of a heavy water reactor that could be the source of plutonium for weapons.

:: Formally ratify an agreement allowing the IAEA greater inspecting authority and continue honouring the agreement before it is ratified.

:: Give the IAEA additional power in its investigation of Iran?s nuclear program, including ?access to individuals? for interviews, as well as to documentation on its black-market nuclear purchases, equipment that could be used for nuclear and non-nuclear purposes and ?certain military-owned workshops? where nuclear activities might be going on.

The draft also asks ElBaradei to ?convey ? to the Security Council? his report to the next board session in March along with any resolution that meeting might approve.

Agreement on the final wording of the text was achieved only overnight, just hours before Saturday?s meeting convened, after Washington compromised on a dispute with Egypt over linking fears about Tehran?s atomic program to a Middle East zone free of weapons of mass destruction ? an indirect reference to Israel.

The wording of the final resolution recognised ?that a solution to the Iranian issue would contribute to global non-proliferation efforts and ? the objective of a Middle East free of weapons of mass destruction, including their means of delivery?.

A Western diplomat at the meeting said the US felt strongly about not linking its ally Israel to nuclear concerns in the Middle East when it considers Iran the real threat in the region. But the Americans agreed in the face of overwhelming support for inclusion of such a clause from its European allies spearheading the resolution.

Egypt, whose support of the resolution is key to swaying other Arab board members to join in backing it, was looking to make the linkage to satisfy broad domestic concerns, a senior European diplomat said.

Even before today?s vote, diplomats said support for Iran had shrunk among board members since Russia and China swung their support behind referral at a meeting with the US, France and Britain ? the other three permanent council members ? earlier in the week.

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

Originally posted by: Strk
China will veto anything about Iran.

Eh, I'm pretty sure China would allow a slap on the wrist.

 

[Meuge]

Originally posted by: Strk
China will veto anything about Iran.

They might, but that's not the point. Referral of Iran to the security council, and their immediate display of defiance (which will only get worse as days pass) serves to legitimize the upcoming destruction of its nuclear facilities.

 

[Strk]

Originally posted by: Meuge

Originally posted by: Strk
China will veto anything about Iran.

They might, but that's not the point. Referral of Iran to the security council, and their immediate display of defiance (which will only get worse as days pass) serves to legitimize the upcoming destruction of its nuclear facilities.

Do you honestly believe they will destroy those facilities?

 

[Meuge]

Originally posted by: Strk

Originally posted by: Meuge

Originally posted by: Strk
China will veto anything about Iran.

They might, but that's not the point. Referral of Iran to the security council, and their immediate display of defiance (which will only get worse as days pass) serves to legitimize the upcoming destruction of its nuclear facilities.

Do you honestly believe they will destroy those facilities?

Oh absolutely. It's not even a question in my mind. Nobody but China wants those plants in place (to destabilize US and Europe, and bring China closer to world domination). But even China doesn't want them to actually HAVE the weapons.

There will be protests, cries of foul play, etc.. etc... but the world will breathe easier.

 

[Pens1566]

Israel will. If they get anywhere near producing a weapon. Ask Iraq.

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: Pens1566
Israel will. If they get anywhere near producing a weapon. Ask Iraq.

Ask Iraq what?

 

[Pens1566]

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie

Originally posted by: Pens1566
Israel will. If they get anywhere near producing a weapon. Ask Iraq.

Ask Iraq what?

I was referring to the Israeli attack on an Iraqi nuke plant in 80 or 81.

 

[Rommels]

What happened to it's nuke reactor...

Answer, Israel bombed the ever living poo out of it.

I don't think China will veto.

Iran can suck my...

 

[The Linuxator]

Originally posted by: Rommels
What happened to it's nuke reactor...

Answer, Israel bombed the ever living poo out of it.

I don't think China will veto.

Iran can suck my...

Do you guys want countries like Iran to stop thinking about having nuclear weapons or even nuclear power, just disarm Israel of it's illegal nuclear arsenal, and bring down any nuclear research or power plants they might have then it will be fair, otherwise I say give Iran the nukes at least it will put some balance in the region.

 

[spunkz]

Originally posted by: The Linuxator

Originally posted by: Rommels
What happened to it's nuke reactor...

Answer, Israel bombed the ever living poo out of it.

I don't think China will veto.

Iran can suck my...

Do you guys want countries like Iran to stop thinking about having nuclear weapons or even nuclear power, just disarm Israel of it's illegal nuclear arsenal, and bring down any nuclear research or power plants they might have then it will be fair, otherwise I say give Iran the nukes at least it will put some balance in the region.

how about we not give nukes to the guy who has publicly stated that he wants Israel wiped off the map.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: Pens1566

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie

Originally posted by: Pens1566
Israel will. If they get anywhere near producing a weapon. Ask Iraq.

Ask Iraq what?

I was referring to the Israeli attack on an Iraqi nuke plant in 80 or 81.

Osirak - '81

What memories

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: The Linuxator

Originally posted by: Rommels
What happened to it's nuke reactor...

Answer, Israel bombed the ever living poo out of it.

I don't think China will veto.

Iran can suck my...

Do you guys want countries like Iran to stop thinking about having nuclear weapons or even nuclear power, just disarm Israel of it's illegal nuclear arsenal, and bring down any nuclear research or power plants they might have then it will be fair, otherwise I say give Iran the nukes at least it will put some balance in the region.

Balance yes - shift over to the MAD theories that dominated the Cold War.
Practical no -that only works when both sides understand and care about the results.
Differenence between not trusting the opponent and determined to destroy them.

Iran's track record for the past 20 years has not been one that is very inspiring for Israel.
The attitude of the current leadship just pours gas on the fire.

Israel has a much more stable government; they obtain nuke capabilityas a deterrent against the Soviet proxies. You do not see them EVER threatening to wipe a country off the map.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: spunkz

Originally posted by: The Linuxator

Originally posted by: Rommels
What happened to it's nuke reactor...

Answer, Israel bombed the ever living poo out of it.

I don't think China will veto.

Iran can suck my...

Do you guys want countries like Iran to stop thinking about having nuclear weapons or even nuclear power, just disarm Israel of it's illegal nuclear arsenal, and bring down any nuclear research or power plants they might have then it will be fair, otherwise I say give Iran the nukes at least it will put some balance in the region.

how about we not give nukes to the guy who has publicly stated that he wants Israel wiped off the map.

We don't have the legal option of "giving" or "taking" anything from Iran because they are a sovereign nation.

Iran can produce whatever they want on their own. Unlike Israel who bought their nukes from the US.

And it's quaint for some of you guys to believe that bombing Iran will be met with "protests" and "cries". It will most likely be met with missile strikes on Tel Aviv. It will have a very real chance of destabilizing the entire region (Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan border one another).

 

[Pens1566]

Originally posted by: spunkz

Originally posted by: The Linuxator

Originally posted by: Rommels
What happened to it's nuke reactor...

Answer, Israel bombed the ever living poo out of it.

I don't think China will veto.

Iran can suck my...

Do you guys want countries like Iran to stop thinking about having nuclear weapons or even nuclear power, just disarm Israel of it's illegal nuclear arsenal, and bring down any nuclear research or power plants they might have then it will be fair, otherwise I say give Iran the nukes at least it will put some balance in the region.

how about we not give nukes to the guy who has publicly stated that he wants Israel wiped off the map.

Beat me to it.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: spunkz

Originally posted by: The Linuxator

Originally posted by: Rommels
What happened to it's nuke reactor...

Answer, Israel bombed the ever living poo out of it.

I don't think China will veto.

Iran can suck my...

Do you guys want countries like Iran to stop thinking about having nuclear weapons or even nuclear power, just disarm Israel of it's illegal nuclear arsenal, and bring down any nuclear research or power plants they might have then it will be fair, otherwise I say give Iran the nukes at least it will put some balance in the region.

how about we not give nukes to the guy who has publicly stated that he wants Israel wiped off the map.

We don't have the legal option of "giving" or "taking" anything from Iran because they are a sovereign nation.

Iran can produce whatever they want on their own. Unlike Israel who bought their nukes from the US.

And it's quaint for some of you guys to believe that bombing Iran will be met with "protests" and "cries". It will most likely be met with missile strikes on Tel Aviv. It will have a very real chance of destabilizing the entire region (Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan border one another).

As you say; sovereign nation. Israel has the right to defend itself. If Iran chooses to threaten; then let the two of them solve the problem.
If Israel handles the situation; they will have looked at all possible retaliation options and be on alert to act accordingly.
The IDF was on a priority alert at the top level in '81 ready to handle anything coming in from Egypt, Syria and the other members of the No-Israel gang.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: spunkz

Originally posted by: The Linuxator

Originally posted by: Rommels
What happened to it's nuke reactor...

Answer, Israel bombed the ever living poo out of it.

I don't think China will veto.

Iran can suck my...

Do you guys want countries like Iran to stop thinking about having nuclear weapons or even nuclear power, just disarm Israel of it's illegal nuclear arsenal, and bring down any nuclear research or power plants they might have then it will be fair, otherwise I say give Iran the nukes at least it will put some balance in the region.

how about we not give nukes to the guy who has publicly stated that he wants Israel wiped off the map.

We don't have the legal option of "giving" or "taking" anything from Iran because they are a sovereign nation.

Iran can produce whatever they want on their own. Unlike Israel who bought their nukes from the US.

And it's quaint for some of you guys to believe that bombing Iran will be met with "protests" and "cries". It will most likely be met with missile strikes on Tel Aviv. It will have a very real chance of destabilizing the entire region (Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan border one another).

As you say; sovereign nation. Israel has the right to defend itself. If Iran chooses to threaten; then let the two of them solve the problem.
If Israel handles the situation; they will have looked at all possible retaliation options and be on alert to act accordingly.
The IDF was on a priority alert at the top level in '81 ready to handle anything coming in from Egypt, Syria and the other members of the No-Israel gang.

I agree, let Iran and Israel battle it out. This UN SC situation has only led them to remove inspectors and increase enrichment, not to mention throw out talks with Russia about enrichment on Russian soil, all in retaliation.

 

[imported_jzimo]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: spunkz

Originally posted by: The Linuxator

Originally posted by: Rommels
What happened to it's nuke reactor...

Answer, Israel bombed the ever living poo out of it.

I don't think China will veto.

Iran can suck my...

Do you guys want countries like Iran to stop thinking about having nuclear weapons or even nuclear power, just disarm Israel of it's illegal nuclear arsenal, and bring down any nuclear research or power plants they might have then it will be fair, otherwise I say give Iran the nukes at least it will put some balance in the region.

how about we not give nukes to the guy who has publicly stated that he wants Israel wiped off the map.

We don't have the legal option of "giving" or "taking" anything from Iran because they are a sovereign nation.

Iran can produce whatever they want on their own. Unlike Israel who bought their nukes from the US.

And it's quaint for some of you guys to believe that bombing Iran will be met with "protests" and "cries". It will most likely be met with missile strikes on Tel Aviv. It will have a very real chance of destabilizing the entire region (Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan border one another).

As you say; sovereign nation. Israel has the right to defend itself. If Iran chooses to threaten; then let the two of them solve the problem.
If Israel handles the situation; they will have looked at all possible retaliation options and be on alert to act accordingly.
The IDF was on a priority alert at the top level in '81 ready to handle anything coming in from Egypt, Syria and the other members of the No-Israel gang.

I agree, let Iran and Israel battle it out. This UN SC situation has only led them to remove inspectors and increase enrichment, not to mention throw out talks with Russia about enrichment on Russian soil, all in retaliation.

In case you have not noticed, were not the only country who does not want Iran to have nukes. Unless you know something that these 32 countries do not... I readily support every option to stop this radical Iranian government from getting nukes and blackmailing the world.

 

[totalcommand]

awesome.

 

[spacejamz]

Iran can produce whatever they want on their own. Unlike Israel who bought their nukes from the US.

that is the best suggestion I have heard all day...until one of those nukes detonates in a US or European city...the sh!t will really hit the fan then...