UN Inspectors Call U.S. Tips 'Garbage'

[jahawkin]

Edit: Oh ya, the link.

So frustrated have the inspectors become that one source has referred to the U.S. intelligence they've been getting as "garbage after garbage after garbage." In fact, Phillips says the source used another cruder word.

hmmm.....which word would that be??

U.N. sources have told CBS News that American tips have lead to one dead end after another.
Example: satellite photographs purporting to show new research buildings at Iraqi nuclear sites. When the U.N. went into the new buildings they found "nothing."


Example: Saddam's presidential palaces, where the inspectors went with specific coordinates supplied by the U.S. on where to look for incriminating evidence. Again, they found "nothing."


Example: Interviews with scientists about the aluminum tubes the U.S. says Iraq has imported for enriching uranium, but which the Iraqis say are for making rockets. Given the size and specification of the tubes, the U.N. calls the "Iraqi alibi air tight."

I agree that the Iraqis are probably doing the best they can to hide weapons. But with all these US intelligence resources going into finding some banned weapons, you think we'd be able to point the UN somewhere.

 

[Mill]

Link?

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: jahawkin
Edit: Oh ya, the link.

So frustrated have the inspectors become that one source has referred to the U.S. intelligence they've been getting as "garbage after garbage after garbage." In fact, Phillips says the source used another cruder word.

hmmm.....which word would that be??

U.N. sources have told CBS News that American tips have lead to one dead end after another.
Example: satellite photographs purporting to show new research buildings at Iraqi nuclear sites. When the U.N. went into the new buildings they found "nothing."


Example: Saddam's presidential palaces, where the inspectors went with specific coordinates supplied by the U.S. on where to look for incriminating evidence. Again, they found "nothing."


Example: Interviews with scientists about the aluminum tubes the U.S. says Iraq has imported for enriching uranium, but which the Iraqis say are for making rockets. Given the size and specification of the tubes, the U.N. calls the "Iraqi alibi air tight."

I agree that the Iraqis are probably doing the best they can to hide weapons. But with all these US intelligence resources going into finding some banned weapons, you think we'd be able to point the UN somewhere.

Could it be that inspectors group has been infiltrated and stuff gets moved before they arrive?

 

[HendrixFan]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: jahawkin
Edit: Oh ya, the link.

So frustrated have the inspectors become that one source has referred to the U.S. intelligence they've been getting as "garbage after garbage after garbage." In fact, Phillips says the source used another cruder word.

hmmm.....which word would that be??

U.N. sources have told CBS News that American tips have lead to one dead end after another.
Example: satellite photographs purporting to show new research buildings at Iraqi nuclear sites. When the U.N. went into the new buildings they found "nothing."


Example: Saddam's presidential palaces, where the inspectors went with specific coordinates supplied by the U.S. on where to look for incriminating evidence. Again, they found "nothing."


Example: Interviews with scientists about the aluminum tubes the U.S. says Iraq has imported for enriching uranium, but which the Iraqis say are for making rockets. Given the size and specification of the tubes, the U.N. calls the "Iraqi alibi air tight."

I agree that the Iraqis are probably doing the best they can to hide weapons. But with all these US intelligence resources going into finding some banned weapons, you think we'd be able to point the UN somewhere.

Could it be that inspectors group has been infiltrated and stuff gets moved before they arrive?

Perhaps we should wait for at least the *smallest* amount of evidence of the "infiltrations" before we start thinking that way. The most likely explanation is that the "intelligence" isnt quite accurate. If Saddam has the WMD, it will turn up, give it time.

 

[iwearnosox]

We need to invade so we can plant some canisters in their caves.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: HendrixFan

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: jahawkin
Edit: Oh ya, the link.

So frustrated have the inspectors become that one source has referred to the U.S. intelligence they've been getting as "garbage after garbage after garbage." In fact, Phillips says the source used another cruder word.

hmmm.....which word would that be??

U.N. sources have told CBS News that American tips have lead to one dead end after another.
Example: satellite photographs purporting to show new research buildings at Iraqi nuclear sites. When the U.N. went into the new buildings they found "nothing."


Example: Saddam's presidential palaces, where the inspectors went with specific coordinates supplied by the U.S. on where to look for incriminating evidence. Again, they found "nothing."


Example: Interviews with scientists about the aluminum tubes the U.S. says Iraq has imported for enriching uranium, but which the Iraqis say are for making rockets. Given the size and specification of the tubes, the U.N. calls the "Iraqi alibi air tight."

I agree that the Iraqis are probably doing the best they can to hide weapons. But with all these US intelligence resources going into finding some banned weapons, you think we'd be able to point the UN somewhere.

Could it be that inspectors group has been infiltrated and stuff gets moved before they arrive?

Perhaps we should wait for at least the *smallest* amount of evidence before we start thinking that way. The most likely explanation is that the "intelligence" isnt quite accurate. If Saddam has the WMD, it will turn up, give it time.

It could be alot of things:

Bad intelligence.
Stuff just got moved.
Inspectors have been infilitrated.

Either way, it is not up to the inspectors to go on an easter egg hunt to find stuff.

 

[HendrixFan]

I thought the agreement the US signed onto here in October was for the inspectors to go on an easter egg hunt....

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: HendrixFan
I thought the agreement the US signed onto here in October was for the inspectors to go on an easter egg hunt....

No, resolution 1441 was for iraq to show proof of all weapons programs and weapons destruction. So far they have not done this.

 

[HendrixFan]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: HendrixFan
I thought the agreement the US signed onto here in October was for the inspectors to go on an easter egg hunt....

No, resolution 1441 was for iraq to show proof of all weapons programs and weapons destruction. So far they have not done this.

From resolution 1441:

"Decides that Iraq shall provide UNMOVIC and the IAEA immediate, unimpeded, unconditional, and unrestricted access to any and all, including underground, areas, facilities, buildings, equipment, records, and means of transport which they wish to inspect, as well as immediate, unimpeded, unrestricted, and private access to all officials and other persons whom UNMOVIC or the IAEA wish to interview in the mode or location of UNMOVIC?s or the IAEA?s choice pursuant to any aspect of their mandates; further decides that UNMOVIC and the IAEA may at their discretion conduct interviews inside or outside of Iraq, may facilitate the travel of those interviewed and family members outside of Iraq, and that, at the sole discretion of UNMOVIC and the IAEA, such interviews may occur without the presence of observers from the Iraqi Government; and instructs UNMOVIC and requests the IAEA to resume inspections no later than 45 days following adoption of this resolution and to update the Council 60 days thereafter;"

 

[Nocturnal]

We should just wait until Iraq destroys a neighboring country with a nuke and say "I told you so." And let everyone come crying to us about helping them and then just saying NO.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: HendrixFan

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: HendrixFan
I thought the agreement the US signed onto here in October was for the inspectors to go on an easter egg hunt....

No, resolution 1441 was for iraq to show proof of all weapons programs and weapons destruction. So far they have not done this.

From resolution 1441:

"Decides that Iraq shall provide UNMOVIC and the IAEA immediate, unimpeded, unconditional, and unrestricted access to any and all, including underground, areas, facilities, buildings, equipment, records, and means of transport which they wish to inspect, as well as immediate, unimpeded, unrestricted, and private access to all officials and other persons whom UNMOVIC or the IAEA wish to interview in the mode or location of UNMOVIC?s or the IAEA?s choice pursuant to any aspect of their mandates; further decides that UNMOVIC and the IAEA may at their discretion conduct interviews inside or outside of Iraq, may facilitate the travel of those interviewed and family members outside of Iraq, and that, at the sole discretion of UNMOVIC and the IAEA, such interviews may occur without the presence of observers from the Iraqi Government; and instructs UNMOVIC and requests the IAEA to resume inspections no later than 45 days following adoption of this resolution and to update the Council 60 days thereafter;"

Read carefully. No where does this say it is an easter egg hunt.

 

[HendrixFan]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: HendrixFan

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: HendrixFan
I thought the agreement the US signed onto here in October was for the inspectors to go on an easter egg hunt....

No, resolution 1441 was for iraq to show proof of all weapons programs and weapons destruction. So far they have not done this.

From resolution 1441:

"Decides that Iraq shall provide UNMOVIC and the IAEA immediate, unimpeded, unconditional, and unrestricted access to any and all, including underground, areas, facilities, buildings, equipment, records, and means of transport which they wish to inspect, as well as immediate, unimpeded, unrestricted, and private access to all officials and other persons whom UNMOVIC or the IAEA wish to interview in the mode or location of UNMOVIC?s or the IAEA?s choice pursuant to any aspect of their mandates; further decides that UNMOVIC and the IAEA may at their discretion conduct interviews inside or outside of Iraq, may facilitate the travel of those interviewed and family members outside of Iraq, and that, at the sole discretion of UNMOVIC and the IAEA, such interviews may occur without the presence of observers from the Iraqi Government; and instructs UNMOVIC and requests the IAEA to resume inspections no later than 45 days following adoption of this resolution and to update the Council 60 days thereafter;"

Read carefully. No where does this say it is an easter egg hunt.

"immediate, unimpeded, unconditional, and unrestricted access to any and all, including underground, areas, facilities, buildings, equipment, records, and means of transport which they wish to inspect"

First line. The inspectors are looking for violations, and they are required immediate, unimpeded, unconditional, and unrestricted access to any and all, including underground, areas, facilities, buildings, equipment, records, and means of transport which they wish to inspect. I consider that an easter egg hunt, given that they dont know where possible violations are (for certain).

 

[nater]

YAIT

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: HendrixFan

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: HendrixFan

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: HendrixFan
I thought the agreement the US signed onto here in October was for the inspectors to go on an easter egg hunt....

No, resolution 1441 was for iraq to show proof of all weapons programs and weapons destruction. So far they have not done this.

From resolution 1441:

"Decides that Iraq shall provide UNMOVIC and the IAEA immediate, unimpeded, unconditional, and unrestricted access to any and all, including underground, areas, facilities, buildings, equipment, records, and means of transport which they wish to inspect, as well as immediate, unimpeded, unrestricted, and private access to all officials and other persons whom UNMOVIC or the IAEA wish to interview in the mode or location of UNMOVIC?s or the IAEA?s choice pursuant to any aspect of their mandates; further decides that UNMOVIC and the IAEA may at their discretion conduct interviews inside or outside of Iraq, may facilitate the travel of those interviewed and family members outside of Iraq, and that, at the sole discretion of UNMOVIC and the IAEA, such interviews may occur without the presence of observers from the Iraqi Government; and instructs UNMOVIC and requests the IAEA to resume inspections no later than 45 days following adoption of this resolution and to update the Council 60 days thereafter;"

Read carefully. No where does this say it is an easter egg hunt.

"immediate, unimpeded, unconditional, and unrestricted access to any and all, including underground, areas, facilities, buildings, equipment, records, and means of transport which they wish to inspect"

First line. The inspectors are looking for violations, and they are required immediate, unimpeded, unconditional, and unrestricted access to any and all, including underground, areas, facilities, buildings, equipment, records, and means of transport which they wish to inspect. I consider that an easter egg hunt, given that they dont know where possible violations are (for certain).

Read the entire document. All weapons and weapons programs were supposed to be declared. If they were, they could easily be back up by interviews. If all weapons are declared you know where to look.

 

[MinorityReport]

Originally posted by: Nocturnal
We should just wait until Iraq destroys a neighboring country with a nuke and say "I told you so." And let everyone come crying to us about helping them and then just saying NO.

Iraq does not have nukes.

Instead worry about North Korean or pakistani nukes falling into forgotten villian Bin Laden who will be very pleased to use it against US interests.

Iraq is a threat but NOT a nuclear one. Also Iraq knows it will cease to exist if it ever uses WMD or bio chem against any nation.

However, if cornered they might use it, if they have it in the first place. ISreal will be hit first ..

Also, no one came to us crying .. US helped KSA and Kuwait back in 1991 for their own interests in the larger aspect which is of course the right thing to do IMHO.

 

[Jugernot]

A source....???? Come on, Jugernot says George Bush is gay!

President Bush has homosexual tendencies toward young monkey children
CBS NEWS - February 19, 2002

BREAKING NEWS!!!

A senior online source tells CNN that he has seen, participated in, and even taped President Bush performing homosexual acts on Amazonian monkey children.

Link

That is how much I believe "sources"...

 

[AAjax]

Could it be that inspectors group has been infiltrated and stuff gets moved before they arrive?

Im sure this is happening, as Im sure that the US is getting intel on stuff from the inspectors that it prob shouldnt. Its a double edged sword for sure.

 

[HendrixFan]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: HendrixFan

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: HendrixFan

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: HendrixFan
I thought the agreement the US signed onto here in October was for the inspectors to go on an easter egg hunt....

No, resolution 1441 was for iraq to show proof of all weapons programs and weapons destruction. So far they have not done this.

From resolution 1441:

"Decides that Iraq shall provide UNMOVIC and the IAEA immediate, unimpeded, unconditional, and unrestricted access to any and all, including underground, areas, facilities, buildings, equipment, records, and means of transport which they wish to inspect, as well as immediate, unimpeded, unrestricted, and private access to all officials and other persons whom UNMOVIC or the IAEA wish to interview in the mode or location of UNMOVIC?s or the IAEA?s choice pursuant to any aspect of their mandates; further decides that UNMOVIC and the IAEA may at their discretion conduct interviews inside or outside of Iraq, may facilitate the travel of those interviewed and family members outside of Iraq, and that, at the sole discretion of UNMOVIC and the IAEA, such interviews may occur without the presence of observers from the Iraqi Government; and instructs UNMOVIC and requests the IAEA to resume inspections no later than 45 days following adoption of this resolution and to update the Council 60 days thereafter;"

Read carefully. No where does this say it is an easter egg hunt.

"immediate, unimpeded, unconditional, and unrestricted access to any and all, including underground, areas, facilities, buildings, equipment, records, and means of transport which they wish to inspect"

First line. The inspectors are looking for violations, and they are required immediate, unimpeded, unconditional, and unrestricted access to any and all, including underground, areas, facilities, buildings, equipment, records, and means of transport which they wish to inspect. I consider that an easter egg hunt, given that they dont know where possible violations are (for certain).

Read the entire document. All weapons and weapons programs were supposed to be declared. If they were, they could easily be back up by interviews. If all weapons are declared you know where to look.

The inspectors seem to be looking for undeclared weapons, since the declared weapons didnt seem to have the "smoking gun". Iraq submitted the document by the deadline declaring their weapons and weapons programs. According to this link the document was 12,000 pages long. The inspectors are trying to find a discrepency between the declared weapons and the results of the inspections. To find the discrepency they must hunt for items (easter eggs if you will) that the Iraqis have not notified them of. Without said notification, I equate it to an easter egg hunt. Maybe you are just trying to play semantics with me, but thats how I view it.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: HendrixFan

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: HendrixFan

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: HendrixFan

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: HendrixFan
I thought the agreement the US signed onto here in October was for the inspectors to go on an easter egg hunt....

No, resolution 1441 was for iraq to show proof of all weapons programs and weapons destruction. So far they have not done this.

From resolution 1441:

"Decides that Iraq shall provide UNMOVIC and the IAEA immediate, unimpeded, unconditional, and unrestricted access to any and all, including underground, areas, facilities, buildings, equipment, records, and means of transport which they wish to inspect, as well as immediate, unimpeded, unrestricted, and private access to all officials and other persons whom UNMOVIC or the IAEA wish to interview in the mode or location of UNMOVIC?s or the IAEA?s choice pursuant to any aspect of their mandates; further decides that UNMOVIC and the IAEA may at their discretion conduct interviews inside or outside of Iraq, may facilitate the travel of those interviewed and family members outside of Iraq, and that, at the sole discretion of UNMOVIC and the IAEA, such interviews may occur without the presence of observers from the Iraqi Government; and instructs UNMOVIC and requests the IAEA to resume inspections no later than 45 days following adoption of this resolution and to update the Council 60 days thereafter;"

Read carefully. No where does this say it is an easter egg hunt.

"immediate, unimpeded, unconditional, and unrestricted access to any and all, including underground, areas, facilities, buildings, equipment, records, and means of transport which they wish to inspect"

First line. The inspectors are looking for violations, and they are required immediate, unimpeded, unconditional, and unrestricted access to any and all, including underground, areas, facilities, buildings, equipment, records, and means of transport which they wish to inspect. I consider that an easter egg hunt, given that they dont know where possible violations are (for certain).

Read the entire document. All weapons and weapons programs were supposed to be declared. If they were, they could easily be back up by interviews. If all weapons are declared you know where to look.

The inspectors seem to be looking for undeclared weapons, since the declared weapons didnt seem to have the "smoking gun". Iraq submitted the document by the deadline declaring their weapons and weapons programs. According to this link the document was 12,000 pages long. The inspectors are trying to find a discrepency between the declared weapons and the results of the inspections. To find the discrepency they must hunt for items (easter eggs if you will) that the Iraqis have not notified them of. Without said notification, I equate it to an easter egg hunt. Maybe you are just trying to play semantics with me, but thats how I view it.

1441 does not call for an easter egg hunt, but with the general lack of cooperation it has become one.

 

[halik]

yeah i agree with the above. Kim has been acting weird lately, the whole nucler plant deal stinks.
I'd let mutually assured destruction do its work...

 

[HendrixFan]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: HendrixFan

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: HendrixFan

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: HendrixFan

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: HendrixFan
I thought the agreement the US signed onto here in October was for the inspectors to go on an easter egg hunt....

No, resolution 1441 was for iraq to show proof of all weapons programs and weapons destruction. So far they have not done this.

From resolution 1441:

"Decides that Iraq shall provide UNMOVIC and the IAEA immediate, unimpeded, unconditional, and unrestricted access to any and all, including underground, areas, facilities, buildings, equipment, records, and means of transport which they wish to inspect, as well as immediate, unimpeded, unrestricted, and private access to all officials and other persons whom UNMOVIC or the IAEA wish to interview in the mode or location of UNMOVIC?s or the IAEA?s choice pursuant to any aspect of their mandates; further decides that UNMOVIC and the IAEA may at their discretion conduct interviews inside or outside of Iraq, may facilitate the travel of those interviewed and family members outside of Iraq, and that, at the sole discretion of UNMOVIC and the IAEA, such interviews may occur without the presence of observers from the Iraqi Government; and instructs UNMOVIC and requests the IAEA to resume inspections no later than 45 days following adoption of this resolution and to update the Council 60 days thereafter;"

Read carefully. No where does this say it is an easter egg hunt.

"immediate, unimpeded, unconditional, and unrestricted access to any and all, including underground, areas, facilities, buildings, equipment, records, and means of transport which they wish to inspect"

First line. The inspectors are looking for violations, and they are required immediate, unimpeded, unconditional, and unrestricted access to any and all, including underground, areas, facilities, buildings, equipment, records, and means of transport which they wish to inspect. I consider that an easter egg hunt, given that they dont know where possible violations are (for certain).

Read the entire document. All weapons and weapons programs were supposed to be declared. If they were, they could easily be back up by interviews. If all weapons are declared you know where to look.

The inspectors seem to be looking for undeclared weapons, since the declared weapons didnt seem to have the "smoking gun". Iraq submitted the document by the deadline declaring their weapons and weapons programs. According to this link the document was 12,000 pages long. The inspectors are trying to find a discrepency between the declared weapons and the results of the inspections. To find the discrepency they must hunt for items (easter eggs if you will) that the Iraqis have not notified them of. Without said notification, I equate it to an easter egg hunt. Maybe you are just trying to play semantics with me, but thats how I view it.

1441 does not call for an easter egg hunt, but with the general lack of cooperation it has become one.

Well, I think the general idea of refuting Iraqs declaration calls for it. Iraq says they have A, we want to show they have B. Well, it becomes a hunt for B. I believe that Iraq has WMD as you do. I just think its best to actually let that come to the forefront before we engage in any activity.