UN Hypocrisy keeps right on rolling

[JEDIYoda]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061111/wl_nm/mideast_un_dc

UNITED NATIONS (Reuters) - The United States on Saturday vetoed a U.N. Security Council resolution urging an immediate withdrawal of Israeli forces from Gaza and condemning an Israeli attack there that killed 18 Palestinian civilians.

Nine of the council's 15 members voted for the measure, while four abstained: Britain, Denmark, Japan and Slovakia.

But the "no" vote cast by U.S. Ambassador John Bolton -- his second since he arrived at U.N. headquarters in August 2005 -- was enough to kill the resolution.

Bolton's first veto, on July 13, 2006, killed a resolution reacting to an earlier Israeli incursion in Gaza.

The United States has cast 82 vetoes in the United Nations' 61 years, and nine of the last 10 council vetoes, seven of which dealt with the Israel-Palestinian conflict.

The measure defeated on Saturday was backed by Arab, Islamic and nonaligned nations and formally proposed by Qatar.
Good for Ambassador Bolton!!
Too bad this patriot probably won`t be representing the US in the UN for very much longer!!

It will be a sad day in the history of the US of we ever ever turn our backs to the Israeli`s!!

 

[Jaskalas]

The UN is aligned with our liberal friends in condemning Israel and supporting Hamas/Hizbollah with protective measures. As soon as George W Bush is out of office Israel will be alone in the world, condemned for its very existence.

 

[Rainsford]

Am I the only person who thinks that MAYBE Israel shouldn't be allowed to go around killing Palestinian civilians any more than Hezbollah and Hamas terrorists should be allowed to kill Israeli civilians? I don't understand why this has to be a totally black and white issue, except for the fact that EVERYTHING is a totally black and white issue to some of you.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: Rainsford
Am I the only person who thinks that MAYBE Israel shouldn't be allowed to go around killing Palestinian civilians any more than Hezbollah and Hamas terrorists should be allowed to kill Israeli civilians? I don't understand why this has to be a totally black and white issue, except for the fact that EVERYTHING is a totally black and white issue to some of you.

Most the UN, and liberals in America agree with you. There will soon be a flood of agreements as soon as more people post here.

My entire objection to stopping Israel is that the war needs to end. That will only happen if both the Islamic Jihadists are killed and the survivors are forced to surrender, or if the UN forcefully stops BOTH Israel and the terrorists.

Currently, the only UN action has been to stop Israel. They haven?t done a damn thing regarding the terrorists outside giving their communities aid, and protection against Israel. This is the double standard of working against Israel FOR those sworn to kill Israel and America that I find unacceptable.

As long as you actually stop both of them, then be my guest.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
The UN is aligned with our liberal friends in condemning Israel and supporting Hamas/Hizbollah with protective measures. As soon as George W Bush is out of office Israel will be alone in the world, condemned for its very existence.

Ridiculous. It's not as though our support for Israel began with the Bush administration (or, conversely, ended with the Clinton administration). Interestingly, my boss, who is perhaps the most prominent AIPAC members in our state (he was the head of our state AIPAC contingent last year, and his partner is the head this year), a huge Bush fan, supports Hilary Clinton.

 

[Lemon law]

I agree with Rainsford----Israel is a wee mite out of control---and better soon wake up and smell some reality.

 

[DaveSimmons]

The UN condemns Israel's actions in Lebanon too, then turns a blind eye to Hezbollah restocking their supply of rockets to attack Israeli civillians.

If the UN went into Gaza to shut down the rocket launches I would support a resolution to keep Israel's soldiers out of Gaza, but we all know that will never happen.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
The UN is aligned with our liberal friends in condemning Israel and supporting Hamas/Hizbollah with protective measures. As soon as George W Bush is out of office Israel will be alone in the world, condemned for its very existence.

Ridiculous. It's not as though our support for Israel began with the Bush administration (or, conversely, ended with the Clinton administration). Interestingly, my boss, who is perhaps the most prominent AIPAC members in our state (he was the head of our state AIPAC contingent last year, and his partner is the head this year), a huge Bush fan, supports Hilary Clinton.

Dude...my son is in the IDF as we speak. I was brought up in a Polish Jewish household!!
Any sane person knows of the US support for Israel.

My reason for bringing Bolton in on this was because I see tough times for Israel coming
if we at least don`t raise our voices in terms of equal treatment for all those who defend and those who instigate and those who just need to be stopped!!

My fear is that the Democrats will weakin or even bend to appease the outer fringes of reason.

Moer importantly for those caught in the midle of things. With nowhere to turn!!

There would be over whelming support and for that matter world wide support for proper intervention in middle eastern affairs.

 

[Aisengard]

Once the UN stops accepting the 'victim' mentality that is propagated by the Arabs, and actually proposes and enforces resolutions against them AS WELL as Israel, the war will likely end. Until then, the UN is not doing its job. I hope the new Secretary General is smarter than easily-fooled Kofi. The Arabs are lying bastards, and the UN play right into their hands every time.

 

[Lemon law]

This Israelie Hezzbollah conflict has already been discussed to death on P&N----and BOTH sides are lying bastards---each with their own set up myths and sacred grievances.

I for one think this monkey business has gone on for too long---and its long past time for third party binding arbitration.---but time is not on Israel's side---and Israel better start chucking its myths fast and get real----and to finally come to grips with the right to return.

 

[MisterMe]

Wow! Think about this...If you keep kicking the dog day in and day out, who's to blame when the dog bites back? The Jews have been kicking the Arab dogs for years and we wonder why "the terrorists" are so rabid about seeing us dead.

Aren't there always two sides to any story? And you don't see at all where Israel may be the bitch here? Seems like you guys would be a little more receptive and discerning to at least considering it both ways. Palestinians are living life in a prison state - continually being bitch slapped by the Jews. Ever wonder why the US always sides with them? No matter they just completely blew it and thought 8 children were now "firing rockets" at Israel...

Any stern words out of the US? Nope - nada - zilch. Just a veto that will further prove the hopeless case in the hearts and minds of the Arabs. The terrorists too. There is a difference ya know. Sure it seems like all terrorists are Arabs, but you're a bit simple minded to think all Arabs are Terrorists. Ever wonder what it takes to turn an Arab into a terrorist - maybe spend a day in the Gaza strip and find out for yourself.

I Wonder what it's going to take for some leader to finaly grow a spine and stand up for what's right over there...

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
This Israelie Hezzbollah conflict has already been discussed to death on P&N----and BOTH sides are lying bastards---each with their own set up myths and sacred grievances.

I for one think this monkey business has gone on for too long---and its long past time for third party binding arbitration.---but time is not on Israel's side---and Israel better start chucking its myths fast and get real----and to finally come to grips with the right to return.

Here we go again...the right to return.......lolol....

 

[imported_dna]

Can anybody tell us how many times the UNSC has convened within a 24 hours to condemn the Palestinians after a suicide bomber struck?

Man, if the UNSC could've been as quick to act with Darfur............

 

[Lemon law]

To JEDIYoda---who says------Here we go again...the right to return.......lolol....

It may beat the ultimate fate of Israel if it does not get real----namely the old heave ho.---as the State of Israel is dismissed as another noble experiment gone wrong.
And in the wrong neighborhood.---and if they can't play nice with their neighbors---its far easier to move Israel than it is to move all their neighbors.

Last time I checked---Antarctica is largely unoccupied.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
To JEDIYoda---who says------Here we go again...the right to return.......lolol....

It may beat the ultimate fate of Israel if it does not get real----namely the old heave ho.---as the State of Israel is dismissed as another noble experiment gone wrong.
And in the wrong neighborhood.---and if they can't play nice with their neighbors---its far easier to move Israel than it is to move all their neighbors.

Last time I checked---Antarctica is largely unoccupied.

As of last count your the only one who keeps bringing up a supposed right to return.


When you fail to mention nobody when Israel was given that land was kicked out or even asked to leave!!

They left on there own accord!!

I know it can be argued that the right to return goes back even further in history....
Hell..we could even bring the Native Indians into this topic.......lolol

 

[conjur]

Yay! More one-sided, hypocritical actions by the US! WHEEE!!!

 

[Aisengard]

I love how people say Israel better 'get with the program' and allow people who have no claim to land to suddenly own it, kicking out generations of families who settled on that land. If you want that, then I'm for damn sure you're for reparations for African Americans today, after all, their ancestors got their valuables taken from them, were forced into slavery, were not allowed freedom, surely any descendent of any slave deserves some sort of reparation for what their ancestors went through.

Fuggedaboutit. The mythical 'right of return' is nothing more than more trickery by Arab leaders to stake claim on land that is either not theirs, was never theirs, or has not been theirs for 100 years. You think they just want Gaza and the West Bank back? You think they'd just settle with that? You heard them, they're going to drive Israel into the sea. That is, and has always been Hamas' prime directive. Since when has the complete destruction of a foreign country been a valid reason for a government to exist? Anyway, we've already seen their grateful response for Israel pulling out of Gaza, more rockets set up to fire into Israeli land, more refugee camps for Palestinians because their government only cares about the destruction of its neighboring country. I wonder how much money that goes towards buying rockets could go towards schools, or utilities, or basic sewage systems?

There is nothing in it for Israel to try and 'destroy' the Palestinians. Their pattern of behaviour confirms this. If they wanted to destroy Palestinians, or kill Lebanese, there would be plenty more dead than what's pushed and pushed and pushed ad nauseum in the news. It's a sad world when people buy into Arab propaganda, as we've seen with the cartoons (they were published months before in an Egyptian newspaper), the 'blown up' ambulance (completely staged), and of course, Pallywood. People in doubt should really watch it, it's horrifying glimpse of the lengths they go through to make Palestinian riots into 'massacres' by border guards.

 

[0roo0roo]

qatar and the arabs aren't interested in peace or saving lives. just rewarding terrorists firing rockets at civilians. why wouldn't the palestniians continue with their tactics of terrorism when encouraged like this keeps arab populations riled up and distracted as usual. and of course the palestinians in their eyes have the right to commit terrorism. the simple fact is if the palestinians stopped being terrorists the israelis would have very little justification for going in and fighting.

Last time I checked---Antarctica is largely unoccupied.

how about you move yourself and the palestinians there. based on your convenience arguements well..the palestinians don't have much left to loose anyways so why not right?

 

[imported_dna]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
how about you move yourself and the palestinians there. based on your convenience arguements well..the palestinians don't have much left to loose anyways so why not right?

Show some compassion -- the penguins have it hard enough as it is.

Originally posted by: conjur
Yay! More one-sided, hypocritical actions by the US! WHEEE!!!

And condemnation would achieve what exactly?

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: Rainsford
Am I the only person who thinks that MAYBE Israel shouldn't be allowed to go around killing Palestinian civilians any more than Hezbollah and Hamas terrorists should be allowed to kill Israeli civilians? I don't understand why this has to be a totally black and white issue, except for the fact that EVERYTHING is a totally black and white issue to some of you.

Most the UN, and liberals in America agree with you. There will soon be a flood of agreements as soon as more people post here.

My entire objection to stopping Israel is that the war needs to end. That will only happen if both the Islamic Jihadists are killed and the survivors are forced to surrender, or if the UN forcefully stops BOTH Israel and the terrorists.

Currently, the only UN action has been to stop Israel. They haven?t done a damn thing regarding the terrorists outside giving their communities aid, and protection against Israel. This is the double standard of working against Israel FOR those sworn to kill Israel and America that I find unacceptable.

As long as you actually stop both of them, then be my guest.

Well that's just great there chief, except for one little problem...the Islamic Jihadists aren't being killed, and the survivors aren't being forced to surrender. What IS happening is that every once in a while one side or the other just goes and blows up some random civilians. There is no strategic objective on the Hamas/Hezbollah side, and if there is a strategic objective on the Israeli side, it was thought up by the biggest idiot in the IDF. They've been doing this damn stuff for many years and there are no closer to resolving the issue than they were the day this whole thing started, either side.

Your objection makes little sense, because allowing Israel to continue is NOT going to make sure that the war ends. If there was some sign that Israel could simply bomb enough civilians to defeat the terrorists, we could discuss it on those terms, but their actions are not helping AT ALL, more people are dead and no progress is made. I think killing civilians is objectionable enough, but killing them for no reason is much worse. Which is what BOTH sides in this idiot conflict are doing, because both sides are convinced that they can just beat the other side into submission. So the terrorists fire some rockets at Israel and Israel bombs the crap out of a few square blocks where the rockets came from. A lot of people die, but the smart money says that the Israelis and the terrorists will be doing the same damn thing the next week.

Now, that doesn't mean I think the UN is acting perfectly reasonably here...I think what they really need to do is step in with a SERIOUS peacekeeping force and smack the hell out of anyone breaking the rules. They keep putting up these toothless resolutions and "observers" that neither side takes seriously. My reaction to this thread is mostly fueled by the popularity of the stupid ass idea that maybe if Israel just keeps trying what it's been doing for decades it just might work this time, and anyone who suggests we need to try something else is some sort of terrorist sympathizer. This isn't a "liberal" or "conservative" thing, it's a SMART thing.

 

[imported_Lothar]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
The UN is aligned with our liberal friends in condemning Israel and supporting Hamas/Hizbollah with protective measures. As soon as George W Bush is out of office Israel will be alone in the world, condemned for its very existence.

The US wasn't vetoing resolutions for Israel before Bush got into office? :roll: