UN halts aid to Gaza, cites Hamas disruption

[JEDIYoda]

It`s one thing to elect a government, it`s another thing for your elected government to not care about the health and welfare of the populace that elected it!

It`s a totally different thing when the outside world decides to take circumstances into their own hands and deny the Palestinains aid because their is no guarantee the elected government will distribute that aid properly!!!

UN halts aid to Gaza, cites Hamas disruption
By JOSEF FEDERMAN, Associated Press Writer Josef Federman, Associated Press Writer ? Fri Feb 6, 10:08 am ET

JERUSALEM ? The U.N. agency for Palestinian refugees said Friday it has halted all aid shipments into the Gaza Strip due to interference by the ruling Hamas militant group.

The U.N. Relief and Works agency said it made the decision after Hamas personnel intercepted an aid shipment for the second time this week.

In a statement, UNRWA said 10 truckloads of flour and rice that had been delivered into Gaza on Thursday were taken away by trucks affiliated with the Hamas-run Ministry of Social Affairs. Earlier this week, Hamas police took thousands of blankets and food parcels meant for needy residents.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200...ml_israel_palestinians


I am sure you can read the rest of the article for yourself!!

 

[StageLeft]

We can't read the rest of the article without a link.

The people elected thugs to government and thugs is what they got.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
We can't read the rest of the article without a link.

The people elected thugs to government and thugs is what they got.

sorry--- http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200...ml_israel_palestinians

 

[RichardE]

Hamas continues to punish the civilian population in a quest to win a war they never had a chance at

 

[EagleKeeper]

Why should the UN be evenhanded in distributing aid.
Hamsa are the ones in charge - they need to be held responsible.
Or is the being held responsible only when it is to benefit them?

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: RichardE
Hamas continues to punish the civilian population in a quest to win a war they never had a chance at

Yep

 

[kylebisme]

This reminds me a bit of the early Zionists who focused their effort on colonizing Palestine instead of focusing their efforts on rescuing the millions of Jews being persecuted throughout Europe. Some people are selfish thugs.

 

[MovingTarget]

Well, color me surprised. Hamas may have been legitimately elected, but when they siezed power in Gaza from the remaining Fatah members still legitimately serving, they lost their legitimacy in my eyes. If they had allowed the transfer of power to happen peacefully, it would've been a different story. That siezure of power was just a preview of things to come back then, and we are finally seeing what they are really about. The Palestinians didn't really have a very good choice as all parties seemed to suck pretty badly. I just wonder how much of a "choice" they will have during the next round of elections... I suspect it will effectively be only Hamas or not Hamas. "Choose wisely" one might say. I don't blame the UN for stopping aid to Gaza right now, as it seems their aid is only going to help Hamas and their idiotic agenda w/ Israel, instead of helping the actual citizens it was designed to help.

 

[OCGuy]

Good. Maybe this is what it will take to get the Palestinians to get rid of Hamas.

 

[Skitzer]

Originally posted by: RichardE
Hamas continues to punish the civilian population in a quest to win a war they never had a chance at

This!!!

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: MovingTarget
Well, color me surprised. Hamas may have been legitimately elected, but when they siezed power in Gaza from the remaining Fatah members still legitimately serving, they lost their legitimacy in my eyes. If they had allowed the transfer of power to happen peacefully, it would've been a different story.

I get the impression you are not aware of the fact that our government persuaded Fatah to attempt an overthrow Hamas's legitimately elected position by planing an funding a covert initiative, approved by Bush and implemented by Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and Deputy National Security Adviser Elliott Abrams, to provoke a Palestinian civil war.

How does that fit into this in your eyes?

 

[MovingTarget]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: MovingTarget
Well, color me surprised. Hamas may have been legitimately elected, but when they siezed power in Gaza from the remaining Fatah members still legitimately serving, they lost their legitimacy in my eyes. If they had allowed the transfer of power to happen peacefully, it would've been a different story.

I get the impression you are not aware of the fact that our government persuaded Fatah to attempt an overthrow Hamas's legitimately elected position by planing an funding a covert initiative, approved by Bush and implemented by Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and Deputy National Security Adviser Elliott Abrams, to provoke a Palestinian civil war.

How does that fit into this in your eyes?

It fits as wrong. We had no business doing that. That, however, still does not excuse Hamas OR Fatah. Anything other than a peaceful transfer of power considering the situation delegitimizes both sides. If Fatah had done the same thing in Gaza, I wouldn't have considered them legitimate either.

 

[kylebisme]

How do you suppose Hamas should have responded to Fatah's attempt to overthrow them by military coup?

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
How do you suppose Hamas should have responded to Fatah's attempt to overthrow them by military coup?

The US was supporting a people who wanted to be free against an obvious dictatorship. The people of Palestine would have been better off with Fatah in power than Hamas who campaigned as free than took control of power *immediately* after being elected. Nothing wrong with trying to help people be free.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: RichardE
The US was supporting a people who wanted to be free against an obvious dictatorship.

Rahter, the US was rejecting Hamas's efforts toward forming national unity government with Fatah.

Originally posted by: RichardE
The people of Palestine would have been better off with Fatah in power than Hamas who campaigned as free than took control of power *immediately* after being elected. Nothing wrong with trying to help people be free.

Fatah, isn't helping people be free, they are Financed by the British taxpayer, brutal torturers of the West Bank.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: RichardE
The US was supporting a people who wanted to be free against an obvious dictatorship.

Rahter, the US was rejecting Hamas's efforts toward forming national unity government with Fatah.

Originally posted by: RichardE
The people of Palestine would have been better off with Fatah in power than Hamas who campaigned as free than took control of power *immediately* after being elected. Nothing wrong with trying to help people be free.

Fatah, isn't helping people be free, they are Financed by the British taxpayer, brutal torturers of the West Bank.

Easy to form unity when you kill the opposition. The US was aiding the oppression of Fatah. Fatah had a better chance at helping the people of Palestinian for peace than Hamas. In reality, both sides are garbage, but one has more potential than the other.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: RichardE
Easy to form unity when you kill the opposition.

Rather, it was impossible for Hamas to form unity when Fatah has been persuaded to attempt to coup them.

Originally posted by: RichardE
The US was aiding the oppression of Fatah.

Rather, the US cut off aid to Palestine the moment Hamas was elected, and aided Fatah in taking up arms to overturn that election.

Originally posted by: RichardE
Fatah had a better chance at helping the people of Palestinian for peace than Hamas. In reality, both sides are garbage, but one has more potential than the other.

Both have been given support at times to play them against eachother as Israel's conquest of Palestine continues and people like yourself point your fingers at the victims to cast blame on them.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: RichardE
Easy to form unity when you kill the opposition.

Rather, it was impossible for Hamas to form unity when Fatah has been persuaded to attempt to coup them.

Originally posted by: RichardE
The US was aiding the oppression of Fatah.

Rather, the US cut off aid to Palestine the moment Hamas was elected, and aided Fatah in taking up arms to overturn that election.

Originally posted by: RichardE
Fatah had a better chance at helping the people of Palestinian for peace than Hamas. In reality, both sides are garbage, but one has more potential than the other.

Both have been given support at times to play them against eachother as Israel's conquest of Palestine continues and people like yourself point your fingers at the victims to cast blame on them.

Famas attempted the coup after Hamas attempted to establish complete power. The us cutting off aid to Palestine has nothing to do with the us providing aid to Fatah and is a deflection.

They are given support depending on there present day views towards Israel. If Hamas tomorrow declared it will recognize Israel, abandoned its military objectives and work toward a two state solution, they would receive support as well, as they should.

I personally could care less which one is in power, and which one kills each other, its like crying over drug dealers in Detroit who kill each other, no one cares until an innocent gets in the crossfire, sadly it is the the Palestinian people. Since Israel is not allowed to go after either one of them (or for the analogy arrest the drug dealer) it is better to give support to the one that is more likely to not stir too much shit.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: RichardE
Famas attempted the coup after Hamas attempted to establish complete power.

In your imagination apparently, but I know you can't find any real world evidence to back your accusation.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: RichardE
Famas attempted the coup after Hamas attempted to establish complete power.

In your imagination apparently, but I know you can't find any real world evidence to back your accusation.

No, just from people I know living there. Does it matter though? :laugh: Both of them are going to get the Palestinians killed. Should just funnel guns to one and try to create something out of the aftermath.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: RichardE
No, just from people I know living there. Does it matter though?

It matters to those of us who want to separate reality from misconceptions.

Originally posted by: RichardE
:laugh: Both of them are going to get the Palestinians killed. Should just funnel guns to one and try to create something out of the aftermath.

But, with that attitude, reality obviously doesn't matter to you.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: RichardE
No, just from people I know living there. Does it matter though?

It matters to those of us who want to separate reality from misconceptions.

Originally posted by: RichardE
:laugh: Both of them are going to get the Palestinians killed. Should just funnel guns to one and try to create something out of the aftermath.

But, with that attitude, reality obviously doesn't matter to you.

Whose reality? The ones of the post election? Or the ones of the Hamas/Fatah war happening since 1988 with the first intifada? Reality is nothing more than perception.


Reality, or perception does matter, I propose a solution to end the internal bickering which is needed before any solution is achieved. Most countries go through civil wars and end up better in the end. What is your solution?

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: RichardE
Whose reality? The ones of the post election? Or the ones of the Hamas/Fatah war happening since 1988 with the first intifada? Reality is nothing more than perception.

Reality is much more than perception, and your claim that "Famas attempted the coup after Hamas attempted to establish complete power" has no basis outside of misperception.

Originally posted by: RichardE
Reality, or perception does matter, I propose a solution to end the internal bickering which is needed before any solution is achieved. Most countries go through civil wars and end up better in the end. What is your solution?

The conflict between Fatah and Hamas is over how to live under Israel's refusal to acknowledge Palestinians rights under international law, to resolve the effect we must address that cause.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: RichardE
Whose reality? The ones of the post election? Or the ones of the Hamas/Fatah war happening since 1988 with the first intifada? Reality is nothing more than perception.

Reality is much more than perception, and your claim that "Famas attempted the coup after Hamas attempted to establish complete power" has no basis outside of misperception.

Originally posted by: RichardE
Reality, or perception does matter, I propose a solution to end the internal bickering which is needed before any solution is achieved. Most countries go through civil wars and end up better in the end. What is your solution?

The conflict between Fatah and Hamas is over how to live under Israel's refusal to acknowledge Palestinians rights under international law, to resolve the effect we must address that cause.

Actually, that is a very superficial reason to this conflict. There conflict is in regards to power with the conflict with Israel serving as secondary. The life of a Palestinian does not revolve around Israel, it is short sighted to think that.

 

[kylebisme]

The life of every Palestinian revolves around Israel's occupation and colonization of their homeland, regardless of how much you'd like to deny it.