um...S.3081 – Enemy Belligerent, Interrogation, Detention, and Prosecution Act 2010

[blackangst1]

OK...I was watching a video which briefly spoke about this, and I havent heard about it. I apologize in advance if its a RP, and if it is if someone can link the original thread.

S.3081 – Enemy Belligerent, Interrogation, Detention, and Prosecution Act of 2010

Mr. MCCAIN (for himself, Mr. LIEBERMAN, Mr. INHOFE, Mr. BROWN of Massachusetts, Mr. WICKER, Mr. CHAMBLISS, Mr. LEMIEUX, Mr. SESSIONS, and Mr. VITTER) introduced the following bill; which was read twice and referred to the Committee on the JudiciaryCommitee.

OK basically this Act gives the feds power to detain ANYONE that falls under a vague description of enemy combatant, including American, without trial, indefinately, without miranda, without ever being charged, and without respresentation.

uh, what?

According to the bill, all that is needed is mere suspicion that someone either did, is about to, or is thought to be planning to harm the United States government or any civilian target.

Taken from an article found here (http://smargus.com/2010/03/sen-john...o-detain-americans-indefintely-without-trial/)

According to the bill any individual who is captured or “otherwise” comes into the “effective control” of the United States government shall be transferred into “military custody” at the earliest possible convenience. After which a “team” referred to as the “high value detainee interrogation group” organized by the President and consisting of members with expertise in National Security, terrorism, intelligence, enhanced interrogation a.k.a torture, or law enforcement will conduct an initial assessment of the detained person to determine whether or not they pose a threat to the Central Authority its “Coalition Partners” or any of the federal government’s endless Imperial wars/occupations.

What? As of this writing I am at a loss for words. This expands the already far too reaching unPatriot Act into a far, far more dangerous area (OK, thats a little too much of an understatement). All through the election we heard Obama railing the Bush administration about the Patriot Act. And now this? Are you fucking kidding me? Now, dont get me wrong. Bush started us down this path. But I really thought Obama would at least out a hold on things, with his (now broken) promises of ending GITMO and such. This trumps Bush's efforts by far.​

I honestly didnt think I could dislike Bush any more in regards to the Patriot Act, but this takes the cake. Fuck you Obama, AND the Senate for this.​

Here's a link to the actual bill. It's a short read: http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-s3081/text​

 

[Mike Gayner]

Yup, America basically doesn't give a shit about habeas corpus is basic human rights anymore. Thank the Bush administration for this.

edit: And yes, you're right, this is also Obama's fault - he has had ample time to correct these terrible wrongs and has done nothing.

 

[Slick5150]

Wow. This could be the most un-American piece of legislation ever!

Way to show your colors McCain and Lieberman!

 

[Noobtastic]

Where's Barack Obama?

So he renewed the patriot act, gitmo is still open, hundreds of thousands of iraqis/afganis continue to be detained in foreign bases without charge...where is the change?

The left bitched on and on about bush, rightly so - but nothing has changed much, yet the criticism has ended.

 

[blackangst1]

Where's Barack Obama?

So he renewed the patriot act, gitmo is still open, hundreds of thousands of iraqis/afganis continue to be detained in foreign bases without charge...where is the change?

The left bitched on and on about bush, rightly so - but nothing has changed much, yet the criticism has ended.

Not only is it not changing, we're fucking going backwards here. And all that can be said is Bu Bu Bu Bush? Come on liberals/Democrats...you hated Bush's policies so much why the fuck are you EXPANDING them?

 

[Exterous]

edit: And yes, you're right, this is also Obama's fault - he has had ample time to correct these terrible wrongs and has done nothing.

Well - I havent heard him come out against it or threaten to use his veto. If it passes he bears responsibility as well

 

[Linflas]

Official Summary
3/4/2010--Introduced.Enemy Belligerent Interrogation, Detention, and Prosecution Act of 2010 - Requires an individual who is suspected of engaging in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners through an act of terrorism and who may be an unprivileged enemy belligerent to be placed in military custody for purposes of initial interrogation and determination of status. Allows the detention and interrogation of such individuals for a reasonable time after capture or coming into custody. Defines "unprivileged enemy belligerent" as an individual who:
(1) has engaged in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners;
(2) has purposely and materially supported hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners; or
(3) was a part of al Qaeda at the time of capture. Authorizes the President to establish an interagency team composed of executive branch personnel with expertise in national security, terrorism, intelligence, interrogation, or law enforcement to interrogate an individual placed in military custody and to determine if such individual is an unprivileged enemy belligerent. Designates such team as a high-value detainee interrogation group. Designates certain individuals in military custody as high value detainees based upon the potential threat such individuals pose for an attack on the United States, its citizens, or military personnel, the potential intelligence value of such individuals, or membership in al Qaeda or an affiliated terrorist group. Directs the high-value detainee interrogation group to conduct interrogations of such individuals and make preliminary determinations whether such individuals are unprivileged enemy belligerents. Deems as the paramount purpose of such interrogations the protection of U.S. civilians and facilities through thorough and professional interrogation for intelligence purposes. Prohibits the use of Department of Justice (DOJ) appropriated funds to prosecute an unprivileged enemy belligerent in an Article III court. Allows the detention of an unprivileged enemy belligerent without criminal charges or trial for the duration of hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners in which the individual has engaged or which the individual has purposely and materially supported.

Summary of the actual bill from Open Congress

 

[Genx87]

Where's Barack Obama?

So he renewed the patriot act, gitmo is still open, hundreds of thousands of iraqis/afganis continue to be detained in foreign bases without charge...where is the change?

The left bitched on and on about bush, rightly so - but nothing has changed much, yet the criticism has ended.

Dont forget his administration is now also claiming the power to execute American citizens without due process.

 

[Slick5150]

Where's Barack Obama?

So he renewed the patriot act, gitmo is still open, hundreds of thousands of iraqis/afganis continue to be detained in foreign bases without charge...where is the change?

The left bitched on and on about bush, rightly so - but nothing has changed much, yet the criticism has ended.

Well -

#1, this bill doesn't have anything to do with Obama
#2, I'm thoroughly annoyed that Obama hasn't followed through on Gitmo and the Patriot Act.
#3, focus on the bill itself. You think this is a good idea? It's horrific, and should be so to any American regardless of partisanship.

 

[blackangst1]

Well -

#1, this bill doesn't have anything to do with Obama
#2, I'm thoroughly annoyed that Obama hasn't followed through on Gitmo and the Patriot Act.
#3, focus on the bill itself. You think this is a good idea? It's horrific, and should be so to any American regardless of partisanship.

#1 - Yes, it does. Google "prolonged detention" and read.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/23/us/politics/23detain.html

from 2009: President Obama’s proposal for a new legal system in which terrorism suspects could be held in “prolonged detention” inside the United States without trial would be a departure from the way this country sees itself, as a place where people in the grip of the government either face criminal charges or walk free.

#2 and #3 I agree.

 

[Mike Gayner]

Dont forget his administration is now also claiming the power to execute American citizens without due process.

wut?

 

[dmcowen674]

Dont forget his administration is now also claiming the power to execute American citizens without due process.

Gee wonder why Republican are worried about this especially on here?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Let's see how the Dems and Obama respond to this in the coming week. I wonder if it will be noticed for the POS it is, or if it won't be a priority.

 

[Linflas]

wut?

I'm guessing he is refering to that American born cleric they put a hit out on.

 

[palehorse]

Disgusting and completely unacceptable.

 

[IronWing]

Not only is it not changing, we're fucking going backwards here. And all that can be said is Bu Bu Bu Bush? Come on liberals/Democrats...you hated Bush's policies so much why the fuck are you EXPANDING them?

There's a pattern here...

MCCAIN - R
LIEBERMAN - I
INHOFE - R
BROWN - R
WICKER - R
CHAMBLISS - R
LEMIEUX - R
SESSIONS - R
VITTER - R

So what exactly are you going on about? The bill was introduced in the Senate by a bunch of Republicans and one Lieberman. Maybe pointing your finger at the "liberals/Democrats" ain't so smart.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

There's a pattern here...

MCCAIN - R
LIEBERMAN - I
INHOFE - R
BROWN - R
WICKER - R
CHAMBLISS - R
LEMIEUX - R
SESSIONS - R
VITTER - R

So what exactly are you going on about? The bill was introduced in the Senate by a bunch of Republicans and one Lieberman. Maybe pointing your finger at the "liberals/Democrats" ain't so smart.

The Reps are known for this crap. The problem is that the Dems who have been in power haven't reversed much. In fact, Obama isn't much different from Bush on too many things. One hope I had is that he would undo what was done and he hasn't. I hoped for some accounting for Iraq. Hardly anything mentioned.

At the end of the day, it seems that they are more or less the same, and I confess I'm disappointed. This should have had higher priority, and it has been ignored to the point where the Reps feel comfortable bring up this crap.

As I said, I'll wait and see if they go along or not. My feeling is that they won't, but given their poor performance in undoing what harm has been done I'm not betting the farm.

 

[blackangst1]

There's a pattern here...

MCCAIN - R
LIEBERMAN - I
INHOFE - R
BROWN - R
WICKER - R
CHAMBLISS - R
LEMIEUX - R
SESSIONS - R
VITTER - R

So what exactly are you going on about? The bill was introduced in the Senate by a bunch of Republicans and one Lieberman. Maybe pointing your finger at the "liberals/Democrats" ain't so smart.

I suggest you re-read, and then comprehend, what I said in post #10. Then get back to me. This bill was at the request of Obama, not some fruition of the R's.

 

[Genx87]

wut?

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/04/07/assassinations

 

[Harvey]

Not only is it not changing, we're fucking going backwards here. And all that can be said is Bu Bu Bu Bush? Come on liberals/Democrats...you hated Bush's policies so much why the fuck are you EXPANDING them?

I still hate the polices of the mercifully EX-Traitor In Chief and his criminal gang of traitors, murderers, torturers and war criminals, but your OP lists these sponsors of this bill:

Mr. MCCAIN
Mr. LIEBERMAN
Mr. INHOFE
Mr. BROWN of Massachusetts
Mr. WICKER
Mr. CHAMBLISS
Mr. LEMIEUX
Mr. SESSIONS
Mr. VITTER

Exactly which Senators on that list is a liberal? The closest you come to a Democrat is Lieberman, and he's a self-styled "independent" who endorsed John McCain. That list gives us a good idea of who the wannabe traitors and torturers in the Senate are.

And speaking of that sell out hypocrite, McShame, here he is double talking his way to yet more hypocrisy. The last time McCain was a hero, he was holed up in the Hanoi Hilton. Guess he forgot those lessons. If that lying, hypocritical turd wants to regain his former glory, he should go back and stay there. :thumbsdown:

I honestly didnt think I could dislike Bush any more in regards to the Patriot Act, but this takes the cake. Fuck you Obama, AND the Senate for this.

I just did a quick Google search, and, unless I missed something, I didn't see Obama's name or the name of any Democrat as a sponsor or supporter of this bill. lf any Democrat does support this bill, you'll hear me bellowing about them just as strongly.

 

[Corn]

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/04/07/assassinations

Funny how that lying hypocrite Harvey ignores this, and every other instance where Obama has shown he's actually much worse than Bush ever was when it comes to wiping his ass with our constitution.

C'mon Harvey, lets hear you bellow............or better yet, just keep shutting the fuck up as you've done since Obama has come to power.

 

[blackangst1]

I still hate the polices of the mercifully EX-Traitor In Chief and his criminal gang of traitors, murderers, torturers and war criminals, but your OP lists these sponsors of this bill:

Mr. MCCAIN
Mr. LIEBERMAN
Mr. INHOFE
Mr. BROWN of Massachusetts
Mr. WICKER
Mr. CHAMBLISS
Mr. LEMIEUX
Mr. SESSIONS
Mr. VITTER

Exactly which Senators on that list is a liberal? The closest you come to a Democrat is Lieberman, and he's a self-styled "independent" who endorsed John McCain. That list gives us a good idea of who the wannabe traitors and torturers in the Senate are.

And speaking of that sell out hypocrite, McShame, here he is double talking his way to yet more hypocrisy. The last time McCain was a hero, he was holed up in the Hanoi Hilton. Guess he forgot those lessons. If that lying, hypocritical turd wants to regain his former glory, he should go back and stay there. :thumbsdown:



I just did a quick Google search, and, unless I missed something, I didn't see Obama's name or the name of any Democrat as a sponsor or supporter of this bill. lf any Democrat does support this bill, you'll hear me bellowing about them just as strongly.

Did you intentionally not read the thread?

I suggest you re-read, and then comprehend, what I said in post #10. Then get back to me. This bill was at the request of Obama, not some fruition of the R's.

 

[cliftonite]

Did you intentionally not read the thread?

I suggest you re-read, and then comprehend, what I said in post #10. Then get back to me. This bill was at the request of Obama, not some fruition of the R's.

Post 10 links a year old article about Obama's detention plan. Where does it say he requested it?

 

[2Xtreme21]

I love seeing the faux outrage of the Republicans on this board. Where were your big mouths when Bush and his neocons were pushing through shit like this without blinking an eye?

For the record, I hate that Obama isn't going through on his promises to close Gitmo and rid the government of these traitors to freedom. Honestly, it's enough for me to not vote for him again. But sitting here and seeing you conservatives who obviously support this but like posturing and trolling for the hell of it is pretty damn pathetic.

 

[Corn]

Post 10 links a year old article about Obama's detention plan. Where does it say he requested it?

LOL you really are a fucking moron.