Ultra X-Connect 500w PSU - $14.99 AR

[ronetone]

just got my rebates in, ordered on black friday

 

[mindless1]

Originally posted by: jonnyGURULike I said earlier, if the argument is whether or not they can sustain 34A.. they most certainly can. I've loaded them up to 34A static for over an hour and have had them hold just fine with only a .01V fluctuation. So anyone saying that the marking on the Ultra label are somehow false is just misinformed or has succumbed to the dreaded Intarweb rumor mill.

Frankly, I'm more than a little hesitant to take anything you write at face value because you seem to have a conflict of interests in this thead. Given your association with Ultra products I suggest you should reserve comment on non-Ultra supplies.

Now, yes you've said it earlier, but saying it over and over makes it no more true than the first time. Fact is, runnning an hour at full load is not even remotely close to a valid test. It's laughable that you would think it is.

Further, you are either incompetent or lying if you had it hooked up to a 34A dynamic load (ie- a system) and encountered nothing more than .01V fluctuation. I'd bet it can't manage .2V fluctuation, maybe more. If all you mean is that you hooked it up to a static resistive load, what's the point? That's not the target application, it is fairly obvious the product has to mean the specs in the designated use, not a misleading dissimilar test for a mere hour.

 

[jonnyGURU]

Originally posted by: mindless1

Originally posted by: jonnyGURULike I said earlier, if the argument is whether or not they can sustain 34A.. they most certainly can. I've loaded them up to 34A static for over an hour and have had them hold just fine with only a .01V fluctuation. So anyone saying that the marking on the Ultra label are somehow false is just misinformed or has succumbed to the dreaded Intarweb rumor mill.

Frankly, I'm more than a little hesitant to take anything you write at face value because you seem to have a conflict of interests in this thead. Given your association with Ultra products I suggest you should reserve comment on non-Ultra supplies.

My association with Ultra is no different then my association with Silverstone, Enermax or ePower.

Originally posted by: mindless1Now, yes you've said it earlier, but saying it over and over makes it no more true than the first time. Fact is, runnning an hour at full load is not even remotely close to a valid test. It's laughable that you would think it is.

But running it on a PC and folding this or crunching that is? Even though you're only going to demand about 300W. Probably only PEAK the 12V at 34A worst case scenario and never sustain it.

You're funny. You say one thing, and then when someone tries to substantiate the contrary, the reasoning behind it no longer suits your needs.

Arguing on the internet really is like competing in the special olympics.

Originally posted by: mindless1Further, you are either incompetent or lying if you had it hooked up to a 34A dynamic load (ie- a system) and encountered nothing more than .01V fluctuation. I'd bet it can't manage .2V fluctuation, maybe more.

Wow, sir. You're crossing on downright slanderous. I should ask the mods to have you banned you those kind of comments. Dead serious.

I didn't say I had a .01V fluctuation during a dynamic load. I can't even get that with a PC Power and Cooling. I said I suffered nothing more than a .01V fluctuation with a static load.

Do you actually READ anything anyone posts or just extrapolate what you choose to hear?

If all you mean is that you hooked it up to a static resistive load, what's the point? That's not the target application, it is fairly obvious the product has to mean the specs in the designated use, not a misleading dissimilar test for a mere hour.

That's all I mean, and it is a good test. But of course, it doesn't suit YOUR agenda so you can easily discount it. A power supply is rated by what it can DO. If a power supply can DO 500W then it's a 500W. Sticking it in a system and having it peak at 500W is no better testament to the worthiness of a power supply then taking all of the rails and adding them up.

 

[sportzforlife3]

rebate link is broken...for both. Anyone have a link or can send me the rebates as an attachment? I really want this by tonight so i can send out ALL my rebates (from xmas and black friday) tommarow.

 

[Salvador]

Originally posted by: jonnyGURU

Originally posted by: mindless1

Originally posted by: jonnyGURULike I said earlier, if the argument is whether or not they can sustain 34A.. they most certainly can. I've loaded them up to 34A static for over an hour and have had them hold just fine with only a .01V fluctuation. So anyone saying that the marking on the Ultra label are somehow false is just misinformed or has succumbed to the dreaded Intarweb rumor mill.

Frankly, I'm more than a little hesitant to take anything you write at face value because you seem to have a conflict of interests in this thead. Given your association with Ultra products I suggest you should reserve comment on non-Ultra supplies.

My association with Ultra is no different then my association with Silverstone, Enermax or ePower.

Originally posted by: mindless1Now, yes you've said it earlier, but saying it over and over makes it no more true than the first time. Fact is, runnning an hour at full load is not even remotely close to a valid test. It's laughable that you would think it is.

Further, you are either incompetent or lying if you had it hooked up to a 34A dynamic load (ie- a system) and encountered nothing more than .01V fluctuation. I'd bet it can't manage .2V fluctuation, maybe more. If all you mean is that you hooked it up to a static resistive load, what's the point? That's not the target application, it is fairly obvious the product has to mean the specs in the designated use, not a misleading dissimilar test for a mere hour.

Wow, sir. You're crossing on downright slanderous. I should ask the mods to have you banned you those kind of comments. Dead serious.

It's one thing to "share ideas and thoughts" but to call me a liar right here in the open is unforgiveable.

You CHOSE not to read the link I provided earlier showing the load tests. That's YOUR problem. If you CHOSE to live in ignorance, I can't change that. But if you live in ignorance and that try to somehow justify that ignorance as the reason why you're right, that's just plain stupid.

I showed the load tester. I showed the clock on my laptop. And yet you still choose to call me a liar. Fascinating.

Here it is again (links fixed since I changed my redirect) :

set my load tester to 28A on the 12V, 18A on the 5V and 10A on the 3.3V. -5 and -12 are set at 0.5A and the +5VSB is set to 2A. My math shows that coming out to about 477.5W.

http://www.webhelp.org/jonnyguru/images/01.jpg

I then took a brand new 500W out of the box....

http://www.webhelp.org/jonnyguru/images/02.jpg

And hooked it up.....

http://www.webhelp.org/jonnyguru/images/03.jpg

And fired up the load tester. Because the 12V and 5V were a little high, the actual load turned out to be 480.3.

http://www.webhelp.org/jonnyguru//images/04.jpg

As you can see, the 12V is at 12.06, the 5V is at 5.08 and the 3.3V is at 3.23. All well within spec.

http://www.webhelp.org/jonnyguru/images/05.jpg

I then kicked my 12V up to 32A.

http://www.webhelp.org/jonnyguru/images/06.jpg

This made for a total wattage of 522.8W.

http://www.webhelp.org/jonnyguru/images/07.jpg

Note the clock on the laptop. 2:30. I'll be back after 3:00 with an update and one last photo.

http://www.webhelp.org/jonnyguru/images/08.jpg

Of course, I'm sure you're going to say I doctored the photos or something. Whatever it takes to disprove what I showed. Whatever keeps you warm and fuzzy in your ignorant little world.

Whatever. Piss ant.

Dooood.... Does this thing have blue lights?

Seriously.. That's awesome. I was a little skeptical about this psu until I read your test. It did look darn purty when I took it out of the box though. If it has blue lights, that's just icing on the cake.

 

[jonnyGURU]

I see that Salvador quoted me before I edited.

I edited because I responded in the heat of the moment.

I thought that mindless1 was stating that I was a liar and that I never put 34A on the 12V rail. But then I re-read his post and found that he's just saying that by putting a 34A on the 12V rail for an hour at a time is actually no way to test a power supply.

Which confuses me because that literally leaves NO WAY to test or rate a power supply... but whatever. I think he's proven to me that he has no idea what he's talking about.

And Salvador: That's a UV light version I have. I don't think they're around any more.

 

[mindless1]

Wow, sir. You're crossing on downright slanderous. I should ask the mods to have you banned you those kind of comments. Dead serious.

Enough nonsense.

You are lying or not using it in a system. PERIOD.
It does not vary by only 0.01V and anyone who has one can see this plainly.

The nerve you have to spread false information here... it's offensive. Have you no shame?


I am saying putting 34A on 12V for one hour is not a valid test. That does NOT mean it can't be tested. How is this not clear?? It means that the longer you test, and more more dynamic a load (since CPU and video are always an inherantly giant current variable) the closer it becomes to a valid test.

By testing for only an hour, you've done worse than no test at all if you suggest it was a valid proof of anything. Even supplies we could find most people agreeing were horrible, can run for an hour. Even supplies that run a system for a month then fry parts and pour out smoke when they fail, ran for more than that one hour.

Fitness for a given wattage is NOT only about "can it produce that". It's about how long it can do so. This is exactly why ALL, every single major PSU manufacturer develops specs that include MTBF rating, and for customers with enough leverage, also the specs for temp. For a PSU to be "500W" it cannot just produce it for a little while, the parts must not degrade to early failure doing so. Likewise with any product, it has to not break within acceptible period of time, doing exactly what product manufacturer claims it can do.

If they only meant "500W for short-term", then they need to rate it for it's sutainable, 100% constant wattage instead, and add clear detail about the limitations of any higher output.

When you compare another PSU, for example Sparkle 350W. You are not looking at watt:watt with this PSU, the Sparkle can output far more than that for an hour.

 

[jonnyGURU]

Originally posted by: mindless1

Wow, sir. You're crossing on downright slanderous. I should ask the mods to have you banned you those kind of comments. Dead serious.

Enough nonsense.

You are lying or not using it in a system. PERIOD.
It does not vary by only 0.01V and anyone who has one can see this plainly.

The nerve you have to spread false information here... it's offensive. Have you no shame?


I am saying putting 34A on 12V for one hour is not a valid test. That does NOT mean it can't be tested. How is this not clear?? It means that the longer you test, and more more dynamic a load (since CPU and video are always an inherantly giant current variable) the closer it becomes to a valid test.

By testing for only an hour, you've done worse than no test at all if you suggest it was a valid proof of anything. Even supplies we could find most people agreeing were horrible, can run for an hour. Even supplies that run a system for a month then fry parts and pour out smoke when they fail, ran for more than that one hour.

DUMB ASS!!! READ!!!!

I said STATIC LOAD 1% fluctuation. I clearly chart the variations in voltages from one load to the next. But your selective reading prevents you from seeing that so you choose to call me a liar.

Power supplies that are in fact "horrible", as you put it, CAN NOT sustain a peak load. AGAIN, you CHOOSE not to READ. Take the Powmax I tested, for example. THREE failed before they even hit 300W. They are rated at 500W. This validates one of your arguments, but since it doesn't suit your agenda, YOU CHOOSE NOT TO ACKNOLEDGE IT.

If you REALLY BELIEVE what you're saying, I STRONGLY recommend you leave this forum and get a job in the industry, because right now... several engineers that build PSU's for a living are laughing their asses off at you.

Your one failure, as well as a few others (if you READ my post, you'd see that I do attribute that there were a number of failures in latter production) are NOT testimony to the entire product line, or even the production of that particular model. But your narrow minded ignorance brought on by a bitter personal experience has made you nothing more than a troll.

Good night.

EDIT FOR YOUR EDITS:

MTBF is a service provided by a 3rd party. No power supply is ever tested for the duration of MTBF. And even a Sparkle is only tested, on a load tester, for an hour, before it's "rated." Fact. Can't change facts. They have a lower RMA rate, yes. But that's because of tighter QC. But tighter QC does NOT justify that a power supply is rated ANY DIFFERENTLY than one that DOES NOT have tight QC. A Powmax or Codegen or Deer can have the tightest QC in the entire industry, and they might have a MTBF of 10K hours, but at what load? At what temperature? Yes, "standards" have been around longer than you or I, but the fact still remains that the intrepretation of standards vary. Just like your interpretation of FACTS may vary from anyone else's. 😉