MP's always get owned inthe movies...always shot or killed or choked out.
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what if the fight was in the water?? who would win then?
MP's always get owned inthe movies...always shot or killed or choked out.
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what if the fight was in the water?? who would win then?
NL5
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I think a lot of the "fans" of MMA forget the fact that it is entertainment.
Also, it is full of rules, restrictions, and limitations. While sure, they are capable of killing someone, a seal is trained to kill anybody, anytime, anywhere. How much training to kill do MMA fighters get? I also think people are severely underestimating what it takes to become a SEAL. MMA fighters would never make it (at least not very many, if any). They take the best of the best, and then only a small percentage them make it through.
If you took the baddest SEAL against the MMA champ, the champ wouldn't last a few seconds.......
jonks
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How many "to the death" hand to hand fights have most Seals had? I'd take the average MMA fighter over the average Seal who is seriously well trained but hasn't been in fight after fight.
I'm not an MMA fan but I don't see why people with years and years of training in martial arts who, for a living, practice and hone their techniques by actually using them and fighting, would not be able to fight a Seal. What does a seal know that they don't about striking, grappling or pressure points?
I think people are watching too many movies.
Further, the difference between MMA killing someone or knocking them out is pretty irrelevent. If they choke the seal out they can just kill him while he's in lala land.
I keep seeing "Seals have 30 weeks of training..." How many of those 30 weeks are specifically on hand-to-hand fighting? They do weapons training, guns/knives, etc. Water and equipment training. Combat and squad tactics. But hand-to-hand?
Take that vs someone who focuses for YEARS, EXCLUSIVELY on hand to hand combat.
Ugh. You live in Washington, go down to Portland, OR and visit Team Quest and watch them train, you can see how much "entertainment" is involved.
UFC fighter wins in a fight with a SEAL. This isn't even close. Do any of these people claiming the SEAL would win actually train or follow MMA?
Not to take anything away from the SEALs, of course. If you were talking about survival or killing behind enemy lines, i'd naturally take a SEAL over an MMA fighter.
Not to take anything away from the SEALs, of course. If you were talking about survival or killing behind enemy lines, i'd naturally take a SEAL over an MMA fighter.
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That's a silly argument. You're saying that an elite MMA fighter couldn't kill someone b/c they are on PPV? Some of them have gone thru much more hand-to-hand combat training than a Navy Seal.
He apparently thinks Mixed Martial Arts practitioners are just WWF that take dives or something.
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It's really pointless to continue to argue, and nobody is reading what I am posting. I did not say an MMA fighter could not kill somebody. I could kill somebody. That's not even an issue. MMA fighters are training for a specific sport. It is for ENTERTAINMENT. Nobodies life is on the line EVER. You cannot compare this to a group that devotes their entire life to killing people. The guy above that said they get 30 weeks of training is an idiot. They are constantly training, and they have WAY more than 30 weeks of training before they can even apply to SEAL training. They are trained to fight or DIE. Their life is on the line. I can guarantee you that every one of the most elite SEALS has many kills to his credit. You do realize they are fighting in a war, right?
Now, if you put them in an MMA ring, my money would be on the MMA fighter. Why? That is his specialty - killing is what SEALS are trained for without any rules whatsoever.
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It's not 30 weeks. It's 30 MONTHS.
I've seen documentaries on military training, they do EVERYTHING the MMA guys do (I'm a big MMA/UFC fan and recognized immediately the moves they were doing).
However, the military peeps get traing the MMA guys don't, specific moves designed only for immediate death of an opponet.
I think only the dumbest braggard in the UFC would say that they could defeat a Navy SEAL in this type of combat. One little mistake and you'd be killed, not just kncked down or put in a submission etc.
Occasionally, one of the educational channels (Discovery, History etc) will have documentaries on elite military training. It's almost horrific what they must endure/overcome. Be sure to watch if you get the chance.
Fern
In 30 months they learn EVERYTHING about all mixed martial arts eh?
Okay, so if you saw these moves, just name ONE of them.
EVER? I mean you used the word and put it in caps, so surely you mean it literally, yes? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Vasquez
SEAL might do everything MMA did on hand-to-hand, but the MMA did it longer and specialize on it. 2.5 yrs vs life long commitment. Another thing you have to ask, where did the SEAL learn all this "killer" moves from?
And what is this crap about MMA is for entertainment as some posters keep saying? I would bet most MMA practitioners never step into a ring/cage to entertain people.
They don't need to learn EVERYTHING, to be fair. I doubt SEALs have any use for learning how to get double underhooks with a guy against the cage who is doing a nice sprawl.
schneiderguy
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Not all MMA fighters have had a life long commitment to MMA. A lot are former wrestlers, e.g. Matt Hughes from the OP, Randy Couture, Rampage Jackson. They have been training MMA for years, but not their entire life.
Lets point at what the MMA fighters use as logic to support their case.
#1. They spend nearly all of their time practicing hand-to-hand combat.
#2. They get much more practice in 1vs1 fighting
#3. The nature of MMA fighting is the acquisition and integration of new styles into the best style.
Now for the Seals logic.
#1. They are trained to kill, MMA fighters are not. (MMA fighters arent trained in ways to kill? This logic is about as stupid as saying SEALS are trained to kill therefore every fight must end in death. Face it, they both have knowledge of lethal blows.)
#2. They learn death moves that MMA fighters do not. (Okay, name some. How can you possibly use this as logic if you have no knowledge of all MMA fighting styles? Or, even being a SEAL who was trained in them? If you saw them on tv, what were they?)
#3 They are more battle-hardened. (True, they may have killed more people...I will give you that. They may have less issue with taking life.
The only one I can accept as being debateable is the psychological strength a SEAL may have over an MMA fighter. We are talking about ELITE SEAL over an ELITE MMA fighter though. In that case, I don't think the psychological aspect is going to have much of an impact. The logic contained in this post would still apply.
#1. They spend nearly all of their time practicing hand-to-hand combat.
#2. They get much more practice in 1vs1 fighting
#3. The nature of MMA fighting is the acquisition and integration of new styles into the best style.
Now for the Seals logic.
#1. They are trained to kill, MMA fighters are not. (MMA fighters arent trained in ways to kill? This logic is about as stupid as saying SEALS are trained to kill therefore every fight must end in death. Face it, they both have knowledge of lethal blows.)
#2. They learn death moves that MMA fighters do not. (Okay, name some. How can you possibly use this as logic if you have no knowledge of all MMA fighting styles? Or, even being a SEAL who was trained in them? If you saw them on tv, what were they?)
#3 They are more battle-hardened. (True, they may have killed more people...I will give you that. They may have less issue with taking life.
The only one I can accept as being debateable is the psychological strength a SEAL may have over an MMA fighter. We are talking about ELITE SEAL over an ELITE MMA fighter though. In that case, I don't think the psychological aspect is going to have much of an impact. The logic contained in this post would still apply.
It's not a technicality. It's a sport where people are striking each other and attempting to break bones. It's not riverdance. It's an actual combat sport. It's not like Navy SEALS train with their life literally on the line in the sense you are describing.
jonks
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My typo, I read 30 months earlier in the thread. But my point stands. 30 months (2.5 yrs)of various training vs 10+? years dedicated solely to martial arts. And I don't buy the whole Navy Seal learned "moves" that no one else knows, especially MMA guys who generally study multiple disciplines for years from masters in each art, and who engage constantly in testing them out, honing them, specializing and perfecting them.
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