UK's foils terror plot

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UK's top anti-terror officer resigns after blunder


Anti-terror raid in England nets 12 suspects LONDON ? Britain's top counter-terrorist police officer resigned Thursday after he was photographed carrying clearly visible secret documents about an operation against an alleged al-Qaida plot by Pakistani nationals to launch an attack in Britain.

Assistant Commissioner Bob Quick's blunder forced police to scramble to round up the suspects sooner than planned. Twelve men were arrested late Wednesday in raids across northwest England.

Prime Minister Gordon Brown said the raids had disrupted "a very big terrorist plot."

"We have been following it for some time," Brown told reporters.

Greater Manchester Police Chief Constable Peter Fahy said police had not identified a threat to any particular target. But he said the raids had been triggered because police thought public safety was at risk.

"We perceived a threat was there and we had to take action," he said.

"What happened essentially meant we have brought the matter forward but it would have happened in the next 24 hours in any event," he said.

Police said 11 of the men arrested were Pakistanis, most on student visas, and the twelfth was British. The suspects ranged in age from the teens to a 41-year-old man.

Several past terrorist plots in Britain had links to Pakistan, including the July 7, 2005 London transit attacks by four suicide bombers that killed 52 commuters.

"We know that there are links between terrorists in Britain and terrorists in Pakistan," said Brown. He said he would be asking Pakistani Prime Minister Asif Ali Zardari to take tougher action.


The British government currently assesses the country's terror threat level as "severe," the second-highest of five possible ratings. It means the government considers an attack likely.

Quick, the Metropolitan Police anti-terror chief, was photographed Wednesday clutching confidential documents as he arrived for a meeting with Brown at 10 Downing St. The document on top showed details of an anti-terror operation code-named Operation Pathway.

When officials became aware that clearly readable photographs of the document ? which listed names of senior officers and plans for a series of raids ? were in circulation, they changed their timetable for action.

News organizations were warned by a joint government-media body Wednesday that "publication or broadcast of any details of this photograph would seriously damage national security."

Hundreds of officers swooped on eight addresses across northwest England Wednesday evening ? a contrast to the dawn raids usually favored by police.

Greater Manchester Police said the suspects were detained under anti-terrorism laws in the cities of Manchester and Liverpool and the surrounding area, about 200 miles (300 kilometers) northwest of London.

The raids targeted homes, an Internet cafe, Liverpool's John Moores University and a car driving along a highway.

Once the raids were over, Quick swiftly stepped down.

"I have today offered my resignation in the knowledge that my action could have compromised a major counterterrorism operation," he said in a statement Thursday.

It's not the first time officials calling on the prime minister have been caught out by photographers standing in Downing Street with powerful telephoto lenses.

In May, two government ministers were snapped carrying sensitive materials that could be seen. Caroline Flint, who was then minister for housing, was holding a document forecasting a 10 percent drop in British house prices ? a bigger fall than the government was then predicting.

Hazel Blears, the communities minister, was photographed with an e-mail on the possible participation of the prime minister in a TV reality program to be called "Junior PM."

"I'm not the first person to have been caught out in this way and probably won't be the last," Flint said.

Quick's blunder was the first to raise a security issue and force a resignation.

Law enforcement officials said they were not aware of any instances in which a readable image of Quick's document was published before Wednesday's raids.

After the raids took place, television news reports showed images of Quick holding them. Newspapers also carried the photos, with The Daily Telegraph and the Evening Standard showing close-up images that were clearly readable.

Quick's replacement in the top terror job, Assistant Commissioner John Yates, has been involved in several prominent cases, including an investigation into whether knighthoods and other honors were being given in exchange for Labour Party donations.

At the end of the investigation in 2007, which included police questioning of then-Prime Minister Tony Blair, prosecutors did not charge anyone.

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Associated Press Writers Robert Barr and Jill Lawless in London contributed to this report.

After repeated involvement of Pakistanis in pretty much every major terrorist attack, the West seems to be doing little to get the Pakistanis to act. North Kore and Iran receive more attention and threats when Pakistan is the more immediate problem.
 

OCGuy

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Anyone who believes terrorism exists probably clings to thier guns at night and hides under the bed.

Are YOU afraid of the Jihadi boogyman that was made up by Cheney and Bu$h and Rove?
 

crisscross

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Originally posted by: OCguy
Anyone who believes terrorism exists probably clings to thier guns at night and hides under the bed.

Are YOU afraid of the Jihadi boogyman that was made up by Cheney and Bu$h and Rove?

umm what? you been living under a rock since umm you were born?
 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: OCguy
Anyone who believes terrorism exists probably clings to thier guns at night and hides under the bed.

Are YOU afraid of the Jihadi boogyman that was made up by Cheney and Bu$h and Rove?

Great job slaying that strawman! What are you planning for your next trick?
 

spacejamz

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that was either one sweet @ss lens or really huge fonts on the document if they could read the documents from a picture...
 

Jaskalas

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Sounds like racial or religious profiling. The average citizen would be arrested for hate crimes if they behaved like their own government.
 
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Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Sounds like racial or religious profiling. The average citizen would be arrested for hate crimes if they behaved like their own government.

boohoo. If you don't want to be profiled then get off your ass and police your own kind and make sure they aren't out planning attacks.

Next you say we can't profile someone standing by a broken window with a tire iron in thir hand.
 

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You would think that people that interact with classified material would know enough to keep it protected in a folder and a coversheet
 
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Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
You would think that people that interact with classified material would know enough to keep it protected in a folder and a coversheet

Thes aren't really military personel and they don't follow any protocols at all.

Besides, the information COULD very well have been intercepted long before it even reached England. ;)
 
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Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Sounds like racial or religious profiling. The average citizen would be arrested for hate crimes if they behaved like their own government.

I like you, you're against everything.

Sure, you're fucking retarded but i like you in way kids like the petting zoo animals.

*pets Jaskalas on the head*
 

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Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Sounds like racial or religious profiling. The average citizen would be arrested for hate crimes if they behaved like their own government.

boohoo. If you don't want to be profiled then get off your ass and police your own kind and make sure they aren't out planning attacks.

Next you say we can't profile someone standing by a broken window with a tire iron in thir hand.

One of the dumbest comments I have heard on these forums. How exactly are you going to "police your own kind?"

"Hey Joe Pakistan you planning any terrorist attacks today?"

:roll:
 

OCGuy

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Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Sounds like racial or religious profiling. The average citizen would be arrested for hate crimes if they behaved like their own government.

I forget the person who originally said "Profiling is just another name for smart police work."
 

AreaCode707

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Originally posted by: OCguy
Anyone who believes terrorism exists probably clings to thier guns at night and hides under the bed.

Are YOU afraid of the Jihadi boogyman that was made up by Cheney and Bu$h and Rove?

Anyone who believes terrorism EXISTS? It exists, beyond the shadow of a doubt.

It exists in Rwanda where children are dragged from their homes, forced to kill their families and are drafted into armies. It exists in countries where suicide bombers destroy buses full of innocents. It exists where planes fly into buildings and subways are blown up. It exists where air raids and missiles destroy towns with no military installations.

Terrorism exists and it is an affront to those killed to try to deny it. I won't invoke Godwin's Law, but seriously... exists?
 

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Originally posted by: spacejamz
that was either one sweet @ss lens or really huge fonts on the document if they could read the documents from a picture...

Yeah, I don't quite understand how "carring" the documents means the operation was leaked?

What was the name of the secret operation? Something like "Operation 12 Pakistan AQ members living at so-and-so address"?

Fern
 
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Originally posted by: AreaCode707
Originally posted by: OCguy
Anyone who believes terrorism exists probably clings to thier guns at night and hides under the bed.

Are YOU afraid of the Jihadi boogyman that was made up by Cheney and Bu$h and Rove?

Anyone who believes terrorism EXISTS? It exists, beyond the shadow of a doubt.

It exists in Rwanda where children are dragged from their homes, forced to kill their families and are drafted into armies. It exists in countries where suicide bombers destroy buses full of innocents. It exists where planes fly into buildings and subways are blown up. It exists where air raids and missiles destroy towns with no military installations.

Terrorism exists and it is an affront to those killed to try to deny it. I won't invoke Godwin's Law, but seriously... exists?

He's just pulling your leg. ;)

Besides, how would you invoke Godwins law, it doesn't apply at all.
 

DealMonkey

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Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: OCguy
Anyone who believes terrorism exists probably clings to thier guns at night and hides under the bed.

Are YOU afraid of the Jihadi boogyman that was made up by Cheney and Bu$h and Rove?

Great job slaying that strawman! What are you planning for your next trick?

Challenging a retard to a pick-up game of basketball seems to be about his speed.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: AreaCode707
Originally posted by: OCguy
Anyone who believes terrorism exists probably clings to thier guns at night and hides under the bed.

Are YOU afraid of the Jihadi boogyman that was made up by Cheney and Bu$h and Rove?

Anyone who believes terrorism EXISTS? It exists, beyond the shadow of a doubt.

It exists in Rwanda where children are dragged from their homes, forced to kill their families and are drafted into armies. It exists in countries where suicide bombers destroy buses full of innocents. It exists where planes fly into buildings and subways are blown up. It exists where air raids and missiles destroy towns with no military installations.

Terrorism exists and it is an affront to those killed to try to deny it. I won't invoke Godwin's Law, but seriously... exists?
Home Schooled huh?
 
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Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Sounds like racial or religious profiling. The average citizen would be arrested for hate crimes if they behaved like their own government.

boohoo. If you don't want to be profiled then get off your ass and police your own kind and make sure they aren't out planning attacks.

Next you say we can't profile someone standing by a broken window with a tire iron in thir hand.

"Your own kind"?

Terrorists policing terrorists is what you are suggesting because, you know, they come in all colors, religions and nationalities. Last terrorist attack we had in the UK (which is what this thread is about) was white Christians killing white Christians.

I really hope you are being sarcstic or very very young.
 

cubeless

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Originally posted by: spacejamz
that was either one sweet @ss lens or really huge fonts on the document if they could read the documents from a picture...

my d90 and 18-105 vr can do a pretty good job of that from 20' away... my kid tried it after we saw this last night on cnn... that copper over there will have no problem pooping for a long time and will probbly never be seen without a briefcase ever again...

 

Jaskalas

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Didn?t catch the devil?s advocacy of my last post eh?

So while we?re on this topic, why should Islam be treated equally when it is responsible for over 90% of terrorist attacks/plans against us? I?m all for dealing with it harshly and I applaud them for stopping another Islamic terrorist cell, but as I said above, the government enforces an equal treatment when there is anything but equality.

You think Britain?s government is spending equal resources monitoring Christian, Catholic, Buddhist, or Hindu groups COMBINED as it does monitoring Islam? They do profiling, and it gets the job done because our killers have a common profile.

So then why aren?t we allowed to call a spade a spade, why aren?t we allowed to enact legislation dealing with this reality? Islamic extremists need to be shut down and removed from our land, not protected under the banner of religion. Each specific terror cell we bust is only the tip of the iceberg, we need to deal with the entire iceberg and not just the ones dumb enough to get caught.
 

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Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Didn?t catch the devil?s advocacy of my last post eh?

So while we?re on this topic, why should Islam be treated equally when it is responsible for over 90% of terrorist attacks/plans against us? I?m all for dealing with it harshly and I applaud them for stopping another Islamic terrorist cell, but as I said above, the government enforces an equal treatment when there is anything but equality.

You think Britain?s government is spending equal resources monitoring Christian, Catholic, Buddhist, or Hindu groups COMBINED as it does monitoring Islam? They do profiling, and it gets the job done because our killers have a common profile.

So then why aren?t we allowed to call a spade a spade, why aren?t we allowed to enact legislation dealing with this reality? Islamic extremists need to be shut down and removed from our land, not protected under the banner of religion. Each specific terror cell we bust is only the tip of the iceberg, we need to deal with the entire iceberg and not just the ones dumb enough to get caught.

This is absolutely correct. Islam should not be treated equally. To do so would be foolish. Everyone knows this.
 
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Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Didn?t catch the devil?s advocacy of my last post eh?

So while we?re on this topic, why should Islam be treated equally when it is responsible for over 90% of terrorist attacks/plans against us? I?m all for dealing with it harshly and I applaud them for stopping another Islamic terrorist cell, but as I said above, the government enforces an equal treatment when there is anything but equality.

You think Britain?s government is spending equal resources monitoring Christian, Catholic, Buddhist, or Hindu groups COMBINED as it does monitoring Islam? They do profiling, and it gets the job done because our killers have a common profile.

So then why aren?t we allowed to call a spade a spade, why aren?t we allowed to enact legislation dealing with this reality? Islamic extremists need to be shut down and removed from our land, not protected under the banner of religion. Each specific terror cell we bust is only the tip of the iceberg, we need to deal with the entire iceberg and not just the ones dumb enough to get caught.

I'd explain it again to you but you still wouldn't get it anymore than the other times i've explained it to you.

Basically, i stand by my last post but i'm done petting the retard now.
 
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Originally posted by: theflyingpig
Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Didn?t catch the devil?s advocacy of my last post eh?

So while we?re on this topic, why should Islam be treated equally when it is responsible for over 90% of terrorist attacks/plans against us? I?m all for dealing with it harshly and I applaud them for stopping another Islamic terrorist cell, but as I said above, the government enforces an equal treatment when there is anything but equality.

You think Britain?s government is spending equal resources monitoring Christian, Catholic, Buddhist, or Hindu groups COMBINED as it does monitoring Islam? They do profiling, and it gets the job done because our killers have a common profile.

So then why aren?t we allowed to call a spade a spade, why aren?t we allowed to enact legislation dealing with this reality? Islamic extremists need to be shut down and removed from our land, not protected under the banner of religion. Each specific terror cell we bust is only the tip of the iceberg, we need to deal with the entire iceberg and not just the ones dumb enough to get caught.

This is absolutely correct. Islam should not be treated equally. To do so would be foolish. Everyone knows this.

Nice one, let's see if he gets what you are saying. :D