Ukrainian refugee murdered on mass transit train.

[Moonbeam]

Well, @Moonbeam, people can sublimate their aggression in various ways. They can watch violent movies, boxing, football, wrestling, play video games (they can also participate in those things, if capable). They can also buy guns and make of them what they will. That is more dangerous. Where did I say that people will not be violent? A gun makes it too easy. You are saying my advocating for de-gunning America is ineffectual because... I don't think so. Every person who chooses to not buy a gun is pacifying America and on average is making themselves safer.

The extent of your psychological understanding is that violence can only be sublimated. It has a cause and a cure. Even just knowing one believes what are lies can help ameliorate the unconscious drives they created.

 

[Muse]

The extent of your psychological understanding is that violence can only be sublimated. It has a cause and a cure. Even just knowing one believes what are lies can help ameliorate the unconscious drives they created.

OK, what lies do I believe?

I will not take a knife to a gunfight. Actually, I won't attend a gunfight if I can avoid it. That works for a lot of people. TBH, I tend to not favor movies that pander to the public's gun obsessions. Pick your poisons.

 

[IronWing]

I did not see any questions. But I have a question...why is murder glamorized in music? Some people are influenced by violent lyrics in songs.

Good question! From Appalachian murder ballads to Western to beloved patriot-tonk, murder has been glamorized in music from the arrival of the English in America and it’s high time we quit it.

 

[pmv]

Liberal policies allowing millions of illegals who went on to commit crimes in America speaks for itself. And how much do you want to bet when the next Biden comes to town will will have four years of revenge migration, they will throw the borders open wide again and you will be smiling ear to ear. This man will likely be executed.

"Millions of illegals who went on to commit crimes" is a pretty good summary of how the US came to exist in the first place.

 

[Moonbeam]

OK, what lies do I believe?

I will not take a knife to a gunfight. Actually, I won't attend a gunfight if I can avoid it. That works for a lot of people. TBH, I tend to not favor movies that pander to the public's gun obsessions. Pick your poisons.

Naturally it is my opinion that you believe lies, that you take as fact things that are not true. What I was referring to here is the notion the that the answer to violence is some form of substitute sublimation, like boxing where the crowd waits in anticipation to witness one or another form of brain damage infliction on another, all in good fun, naturally, and maybe with a few bets on the side. I think that most people, you included, I can be wrong, believe that violence is a natural state and as such must always be with us. Ignore that example if you wish. It was just suggested to me on Netflix that I might want to watch such a contest when I forget to breathe watching a match and which tells me I obviously get pulled in against my better sense.

The ease with which confusion arises, the belief that violence is human nature and needs safety valves to be bled off I believe comes from the obvious fact that the law of the jungle applied to our progenitors for millions of years and is in us to this day. We are built for fight or flight when our lives are threatened. To avoid danger, as you wish to do is a natural strategy and the wish to eliminate guns makes sense when you are not under imminent threat. I believe that thinking that way would all fly out the window if you had a gun and the only way you would survive the next few minutes would be to use it in self defense. There is nothing violent, in my opinion about killing rather than being killed when that is the only way to survive and the assailant isn't threatened first by you. It may be even be less violent that instances where flight where many may be trampled to death.

The point I am trying to make is that the survival instinct allows people to use force to survive, if it be of the legs or of tooth and claw. It is instinctive, morally sanctioned religiously and makes perfect sense. It is the root on which the notion of just war is founded.

Real violence, in my opinion requires imaginary grievance and justification. It requires thought and imagination, self justification, ego, all manifestations of mental illness. It is a prerequisite for triggering our natural instinct for defense by creating imaginary threat. Once you talk yourself into the idea your life is in danger say from liberals, it then become justifiable to kill them, to use self defense violently as there is no real threat.

Try to imagine the Buddha or Jesus going on a shoot spree at the local high school. To me the idea is absurd. Those to and so many others have pulled out violence by the root. They exist on a level of conscious awareness beyond thought and belief, beyond the capacity to conjure up evils they need to kill for their own imagined well being. I believe such people are real and that in them violence is not a feeling they can express. Of course, you are free to believe as you wish.

I believe that violence is learned by being exposed to it as a child and being told and believing you deserved what you got and then denying it out of shame. What is the lack of shame but the inability to admit to guilt you are actually innocent of and all of the suppressed rage being made to feel guilty which actual innocence brings. We were psychically murdered as children and some of us had it bad enough we cross a line that must not be crossed and seek some innocent to vicariously relive the guilt. The murdered child is within us, is us, and he's mad as hell.

Thank the stars that's not me.... I'm Gods little innocent lamb. Right?, Right? Do I need a Kiritsuke? So many things to have. I don't have a dedicated boning knife either or any single side bevel blades or a cleaver. But then, I need a new kitchen too.

May still need work bu I am trying to tell you something I don't think you are willing to believe.

 

[Muse]

Naturally it is my opinion that you believe lies, take as fact things that are not true. What I was referring to here is the notion the that the answer to violence is some form of healthier sublimation, like boxing where the crowd waits in anticipation to witness one or another form of brain damage infliction, all in good fun, naturally, and maybe with a few bets on the side. I think that most people, you included, I can be wrong, believe that violence is a natural state and as such must always be with us. This confusion arises, I believe from the obvious fact that the law of the jungle applied to our progenitors for millions of years. We are built for fight or flight when our lives are threatened. To avoid danger, as you wish to do is a natural strategy and the wish to eliminate guns makes sense when you are not under imminent threat. I believe that would all fly out the window if you had a gun and the only wqy you would survive the next few minutes would be to use it in self defense. There is nothing about killing rather than being killed when that is the only way to survive and the assailant isn't threatened first by you. It may even be less violent that in flight many may be trampled to death.

The point I am trying to make is that the survival instinct allows people to use force to survive, if it be to the legs or to tooth and claw. Real violence, in my opinion requires imaginary grievance and justification. It requires thought and imagination, self justification, ego. It is a prerequisite for triggering our capacity to self defense to offend, a perversion of natural instinct.

Try to imagine the Buddha or Jesus going on a shoot spree at the local high school. To me the idea is absurd. Those to and so many others have pulled out violence to the root. They exist on a level of conscious awareness beyond thought and belief, beyond the capacity to conjure up evils they need to kill for their own imagined well being. I believe such people are real and that in them violence is not a feeling they can express. Of course, you are free to believe as you wish.

I believe that violence is learned by being exposed to it as a child and being told and believing you deserved what you got and then denying it out of shame. What is the lack of shame but the inability to admit to guilt you are innocent of and all of the suppressed rage being made to feel guilty when innocent brings. We were psychically murdered as children and some of us had it bad enough we cross a line that must not be crossed and seek some innocent to vicariously relive the guilt. The murdered child is within us, is us, and he's mad as hell.

Thank the stars that's not me.... I'm Gods little innocent lamb. Right?, Right? Do I need a Kiritsuke? So many things to have. I don't have a dedicated boning knife either or any single side bevel blades or a cleaver. But then, I need a new kitchen too.

You really should reread your posts before posting AND after posting and edit them for comprehension. You owe it to the other forum members and yourself. Much of the above is junky and some is read it 3 times but there's still no way to make sense of it.

 

[Moonbeam]

You really should reread your posts before posting AND after posting and edit them for comprehension. You owe it to the other forum members and yourself. Much of the above is junky and some is read it 3 times but there's still no way to make sense of it.

did some work on it

 

[hal2kilo]

Good question! From Appalachian murder ballads to Western to beloved patriot-tonk, murder has been glamorized in music from the arrival of the English in America and it’s high time we quit it.

Now you've done it. Now I can't listen to any version of Hey Joe anymore.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Now you've done it. Now I can't listen to any version of Hey Joe anymore.

Classic Hendrix is classic.

 

[compcons]

Liberal policies and lack of hard time let him return to the streets to kill.

Poor woman. RIP.

This phenomenon is not new, nor restricted to liberal policies, nor related to his ethncity nor to his immigration status.

Please stop being so dishonest. For every crime committed by an illegal immigrant, there are thousands committed by our own home grown terrorists. For every illegal immigrant who got released and crimed again, there are doznens of citizens who do the same thing again in iltra right-wing states. You seem to be focusing on the wrong parts again.

That said, justice should be dolled out appropriately.

 

[UNCjigga]

Going back to my earlier post, here’s an example of a Democrat offering a bipartisan compromise bill to address the exact reason why Iryna’s killer was released by a magistrate.

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/politics-government/article312118724.html

Let’s see what the state GOP does now (they haven’t proposed anything and are waiting until the new session to release their plans) but it’s expected that any new bill from them will be tied to forcing municipalities to acquiesce to federal authority and reinstating the death penalty. But it’s also possible they do nothing because they want to use Iryna’s death as a campaign issue.

 

[HomerJS]

This phenomenon is not new, nor restricted to liberal policies, nor related to his ethncity nor to his immigration status.

Please stop being so dishonest. For every crime committed by an illegal immigrant, there are thousands committed by our own home grown terrorists. For every illegal immigrant who got released and crimed again, there are doznens of citizens who do the same thing again in iltra right-wing states. You seem to be focusing on the wrong parts again.

That said, justice should be dolled out appropriately.

FDC can't help it. He was born that way.

 

[Pens1566]

FDC can't help it. He was born that way.

If I had to guess, "hatched" is probably a better description.