Ukraine was about to cave to Trump’s demands. Then the public found out about the whistleblower.

[HomerJS]

So 2 days and luck intervenes because we were saved by the whistleblower. Zalinsky was being forced to give an interview implicating Barisma and the Biden's

• The New York Times reported that Zelensky was set to announce the investigations into Burisma Holdings, a Ukrainian energy company that had Hunter Biden on its board, and the 2016 election in a September 13 interview with CNN’s Fareed Zarakia.
• But days before, on September 9, an explosive whistleblower complaint was turned over to Congress by the Director of National Intelligence alleging that Trump was improperly leveraging military aid for the probes.
• And on September 11, the US lifted the hold it had previously placed on the military aid package to Ukraine.

When this is over the next President (Democrat) needs to grant a Presidential Medal of Freedom to them.

Ukraine was about to cave to Trump's demands. Then the public found out about the whistleblower.

Zelensky was set to announce the investigations into the Bidens and the 2016 election in a September 13 interview with CNN's Fareed Zarakia.

www.businessinsider.sg

 

[CZroe]

So 2 days and luck intervenes because we were saved by the whistleblower. Zalinsky was being forced to give an interview implicating Barisma and the Biden's

When this is over the next President (Democrat) needs to grant a Presidential Medal of Freedom to them.

Ukraine was about to cave to Trump's demands. Then the public found out about the whistleblower.

Zelensky was set to announce the investigations into the Bidens and the 2016 election in a September 13 interview with CNN's Fareed Zarakia.

www.businessinsider.sg

Uh, I read this as being bad for the whistleblower and possibly even casting additional suspicion.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Uh, I read this as being bad for the whistleblower and possibly even casting additional suspicion.

Howso?

 

[LurchFrinky]

Uh, I read this as being bad for the whistleblower and possibly even casting additional suspicion.

How so? The article only mentions that the whistleblower's allegations have since been corroborated from several sources.

 

[fskimospy]

Uh, I read this as being bad for the whistleblower and possibly even casting additional suspicion.

huh? The whistleblower has already been proven right so there's nothing that can really cast 'suspicion' because... again... he was factually correct.

 

[HomerJS]

Uh, I read this as being bad for the whistleblower and possibly even casting additional suspicion.

I don't see how

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

huh? The whistleblower has already been proven right so there's nothing that can really cast 'suspicion' because... again... he was factually correct.

Unless his thought was more surrounding the timeframe (whistleblower release T-4D from capitulation), but that's still a little silly considering what was likely a rapid timeline in this context. 25JUL -> 09SEP is about 45 days, which sounds like a pretty good amount of time to a) corroborate stuff with the sources cited by the whistleblower and b) confirm that this indeed was A Thing that was happening rather than something that was going to blow over. For the latter, that doesn't mean it shouldn't have been addressed and that it wasn't impeachable, more that it might have been one of the undoubtedly dozens of things that were Really Super Illegal (tm) that we'll find out about in the coming years.

 

[fskimospy]

Unless his thought was more surrounding the timeframe (whistleblower release T-4D from capitulation), but that's still a little silly considering what was likely a rapid timeline in this context. 25JUL -> 09SEP is about 45 days, which sounds like a pretty good amount of time to a) corroborate stuff with the sources cited by the whistleblower and b) confirm that this indeed was A Thing that was happening rather than something that was going to blow over. For the latter, that doesn't mean it shouldn't have been addressed and that it wasn't impeachable, more that it might have been one of the undoubtedly dozens of things that were Really Super Illegal (tm) that we'll find out about in the coming years.

My thought though is that if it turns out the whistleblower is basically Lex Luthor who has been plotting his entire life to take down Trump why does it matter? Say he's the most biased person on the entire planet against Trump - who cares? What he said was confirmed to be true! His motivations no longer matter.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

My thought though is that if it turns out the whistleblower is basically Lex Luthor who has been plotting his entire life to take down Trump why does it matter? Say he's the most biased person on the entire planet against Trump - who cares? What he said was confirmed to be true! His motivations no longer matter.

You're absolutely right, it doesn't one iota. I just wasn't sure if @CZroe was considering this to be something where bias could be at play? or whatever? Again, not that it has anything to do with anything here.

Until he responds I'm not sure it's worth speculating or conjuring up phantasms of possibilities.

 

[HomerJS]

My thought though is that if it turns out the whistleblower is basically Lex Luthor who has been plotting his entire life to take down Trump why does it matter? Say he's the most biased person on the entire planet against Trump - who cares? What he said was confirmed to be true! His motivations no longer matter.

Maybe the whistleblower mind melded with Trump and made him do bad things as part of the setup.

 

[interchange]

So if Trump was merely doing the right thing and Zelensky felt no pressure, why hasn't he announced investigations into Burisma and 2012 election interference yet? Kind of blows holes in the Republican narrative, don't it?

 

[HomerJS]

So if Trump was merely doing the right thing and Zelensky felt no pressure, why hasn't he announced investigations into Burisma and 2012 election interference yet? Kind of blows holes in the Republican narrative, don't it?

ding...ding...ding

 

[thilanliyan]

So if Trump was merely doing the right thing and Zelensky felt no pressure, why hasn't he announced investigations into Burisma and 2012 election interference yet? Kind of blows holes in the Republican narrative, don't it?

As others have mentioned in numerous threads so eloquently...the chuds don't care.

 

[cytg111]

So if Trump was merely doing the right thing and Zelensky felt no pressure, why hasn't he announced investigations into Burisma and 2012 election interference yet? Kind of blows holes in the Republican narrative, don't it?

Nah Brah, Ur-kaine was always Never Trumpers.

 

[CZroe]

How so? The article only mentions that the whistleblower's allegations have since been corroborated from several sources.

huh? The whistleblower has already been proven right so there's nothing that can really cast 'suspicion' because... again... he was factually correct.

Was it? I want Trump gone too so I've been eagerly awaiting news that proves Ukraine even knew Trump was withholding the aid during that call. It's the most crucial detail of the complaint we need to see corroborated.

I don't see how

Convenient timing for Ukraine invites accusations of Ukrainian influence. People are already digging up two-year old statements from his attorney ("the coup has started") so of course they are going to go there.

 

[fskimospy]

Was it? I want Trump gone too so I've been eagerly awaiting news that proves Ukraine even knew Trump was withholding the aid during that call. It's the most crucial detail of the complaint we need to see corroborated.

This has already been reported on - Sondland himself testified that he told Ukrainian officials that aid was contingent on investigations.

Sondland Updates Impeachment Testimony, Describing Ukraine Quid Pro Quo (Published 2019)

Gordon D. Sondland recounted how he told Ukrainian officials that military aid was tied to their commitment to investigations President Trump wanted.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Puffnstuff]

Pence's aide Jennifer Williams testified that the call was unusual and political.

Pence aide said Trump's July 25 call with Ukraine was political and not a normal diplomatic call | CNN Politics

An aide to Vice President Mike Pence who listened to the call between President Donald Trump and the Ukrainian President told impeachment inquiry investigators on Thursday that she found the conversation to be unusual because it was political in nature, according to two sources familiar with the...

www.cnn.com

 

[brycejones]

Uh, I read this as being bad for the whistleblower and possibly even casting additional suspicion.

What in the actual fuck? That is what you get out of a story confirming Ukraine was being pressured? What alternative universe are you living in?

 

[theeedude]

How ironic is it that when USA and Ukraine president talk, ours is the more corrupt one now?

 

[Puffnstuff]

George Kent whammied Trump today.

 

[Jhhnn]

How ironic is it that when USA and Ukraine president talk, ours is the more corrupt one now?

The most disturbing thing in all of this is that Trump might be right about how he can sell any lie to the public. If a lie won't sell, just tell a bigger one. If you didn't get busted for the last crime, do another one. Shee-it. He can say he'll break the law, then do it, give up the evidence that he did & walk away. Because fuck you, Libtards. We'll be in extremely deep shit if he wins a second term.

 

[UNCjigga]

Oops, looks like Ukraine already finished their audit of Burisma cases...looks like Hunter Biden did nothing wrong!

Interestingly, though, the prosecutor general in charge of the audit was fired in March.

Ukraine found no evidence against Hunter Biden in case audit: former top prosecutor

An audit of thousands of old case files by Ukrainian prosecutors found no evidence of wrongdoing on the part of Hunter Biden, the former prosecutor general, who had launched the audit, told Reuters.

mobile.reuters.com

 

[HomerJS]

Oops, looks like Ukraine already finished their audit of Burisma cases...looks like Hunter Biden did nothing wrong!

Interestingly, though, the prosecutor general in charge of the audit was fired in March.

Ukraine found no evidence against Hunter Biden in case audit: former top prosecutor

An audit of thousands of old case files by Ukrainian prosecutors found no evidence of wrongdoing on the part of Hunter Biden, the former prosecutor general, who had launched the audit, told Reuters.

mobile.reuters.com

Not surprised. Looks like farce saved by 2 days.

Any of you Hunter accusers have anything to say?

 

[hal2kilo]

So 2 days and luck intervenes because we were saved by the whistleblower. Zalinsky was being forced to give an interview implicating Barisma and the Biden's

When this is over the next President (Democrat) needs to grant a Presidential Medal of Freedom to them.

Ukraine was about to cave to Trump's demands. Then the public found out about the whistleblower.

Zelensky was set to announce the investigations into the Bidens and the 2016 election in a September 13 interview with CNN's Fareed Zarakia.

www.businessinsider.sg

This all come out in testimony if you were watching. What's new?

 

[zinfamous]

So if Trump was merely doing the right thing and Zelensky felt no pressure, why hasn't he announced investigations into Burisma and 2012 election interference yet? Kind of blows holes in the Republican narrative, don't it?

kinda makes conservatives look a bit dumb, no?