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Ukraine H1N1 is a different strain, highly similar to 1918 flu.

EightySix Four

EightySix Four

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The H1N1 mutation in the Ukraine also includes the symptoms of bleeding in the lungs, and has been described as an infection that completely destroys the lungs. The receptor binding proteins present in the Spanish flu and in swine flu mutations that result in bleeding lungs and death are the same. A virus attaches to charged molecules on cells. Some attach to proteins and others to lipids, but the type of molecule differs between viruses. The virus samples analyzed by the World Health Organization from the Ukraine flu showed a different receptor binding pattern than the original swine flu virus, but the same as the receptor binding pattern as the 1918 Spanish flu.
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Currently there are ~400 dead in the Ukraine with the lung issues this variant causes.
 
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a few people have already mentioned this Ukraine outbreak to me. how come the mainstream media hasn't picked up on it yet?
 
Does the H1N1 vaccine provide protection to this strain of flu?

I was planning on getting the vaccine regardless but I still havent been able to get it yet. My brother who is considered high risk hasnt been able to get it either.

I found this:http://english.cctv.com/program/newshour/20091121/102092.shtml

The World Health Organization says there have been no mutated strains of the A/H1N1 flu virus found in the Ukraine. The WHO was responding to recent rumors that a new type of the flu had killed hundreds of people.

On the train from Russia to Ukraine, conductors all wear masks, while only a few passengers have chosen to wear them.

When crossing the border, masked border police are not even bothering to check the temperatures of passengers.

It is 8am local time when the train pulls in to the Ukrainian capital of Kiev. We can see that even during rush hour, most have decided to forgo the mask. People do not seem to be worried about the current flu outbreak in the country.

A local resident said, "I take a mask with me, but only wear it when where people gather. For example, I wear one when I am on the subway or the bus."

"For one, I took some anti-virus pills, but I also think the best prevention method is to build up your resistance to the virus. And there are also some traditional methods, such as having some garlic, onion and honey."
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mchammer187 said:
Does the H1N1 vaccine provide protection to this strain of flu?

I was planning on getting the vaccine regardless but I still havent been able to get it yet. My brother who is considered high risk hasnt been able to get it either.
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No, each different strain needs a different vaccine.


And that's funny, because the EDIS claims the WHO is the source of the information. EDIS is pretty damn good about this stuff.
 
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Why hasn't it been mentioned... I'm guessing that its because of the over a million infected there less then 400 have died from it.
And the Spanish flu only had like a 2.5% fatality rate as it was so again nothing to worry about here unless elderly or already sick.
 
crazySOB297 said:
No, each different strain needs a different vaccine.
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While it might not provide immunity it might provide some protection/resistance.

Like people that were exposed to the 1918 flu have some resistance against the current iteration of H1N1 even though they are different strains.
 
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Matthiasa said:
Why hasn't it been mentioned... I'm guessing that its because of the over a million infected there less then 400 have died from it.
And the Spanish flu only had like a 2.5% fatality rate as it was so again nothing to worry about here unless elderly or already sick.
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from Wikipedia

The global mortality rate from the 1918/1919 pandemic is not known, but it is estimated that 10% to 20% of those who were infected died. With about a third of the world population infected, this case-fatality ratio means that 3% to 6% of the entire global population died.[12] Influenza may have killed as many as 25 million in its first 25 weeks
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Matthiasa said:
Why hasn't it been mentioned... I'm guessing that its because of the over a million infected there less then 400 have died from it.
And the Spanish flu only had like a 2.5% fatality rate as it was so again nothing to worry about here unless elderly or already sick.
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Actually, for the actual spanish flu, the deaths were from cytokinesis, aka not the old and sick. 2.5% is a ton when the infection rate is so high. That's why it killed 50-100 MILLION people.

I thought the news was worth sharing, not worth freaking out about. Our sanitation levels are far higher than they were at the time, and people have easier access to far better health care. Despite this, understanding what is going on and being prepared is also important.
 
Sucks that doctor visits are expensive. I've been sick twice this winter already, and I'd just be curious to know what I had.
First time: Light fever, seriously stuffed-up nose, sore throat.
Second time: Light fever, nose was fine, no sore throat, but a raspy cough, and the sound/feeling like my lungs had some junk in them. And it came on rather quickly by my estimate. I went from zero to fully sick in about 3 hours. Very weird to feel it progressing like that.

In both cases though, I was pretty much back to normal in a week.


Probably not any flu strain, but still, you know, I'd just be curious to know what the heck these things were.
Oh well, I'm probably just breeding some new strain. 😀



Oh, and I figured I'd stash this little excerpt from one of the articles posted here:
"The thing that concerns me the most is, you still have people out there they believe that if I get the vaccine, the shot, then I'm going to get the flu," he said. "You can't get the flu from the shot."
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Modelworks said:
Closer to home.Duke university about 75 miles from me has 4 cases of H1N1 they think is a new strain, none of the medication is working.
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The cases at SMU in Dallas were highly resistant to Tamiflu as well.

Jeff7 said:
Sucks that doctor visits are expensive. I've been sick twice this winter already, and I'd just be curious to know what I had.
First time: Light fever, seriously stuffed-up nose, sore throat.
Second time: Light fever, nose was fine, no sore throat, but a raspy cough, and the sound/feeling like my lungs had some junk in them. And it came on rather quickly by my estimate. I went from zero to fully sick in about 3 hours. Very weird to feel it progressing like that.

In both cases though, I was pretty much back to normal in a week.


Probably not any flu strain, but still, you know, I'd just be curious to know what the heck these things were.
Oh well, I'm probably just breeding some new strain. 😀
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Definitely not the flu. I did the same thing as the second time. I went from zero to sick as hell in about 3 hours, topped off with a 102.5 degree fever and was fine by the next morning.
 
Matthiasa said:
Why hasn't it been mentioned... I'm guessing that its because of the over a million infected there less then 400 have died from it.
And the Spanish flu only had like a 2.5% fatality rate as it was so again nothing to worry about here unless elderly or already sick.
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not sure about these numbers, but relative to the ukraine, which wikipedia puts at 46 million, 400 deaths is a small number. not to mention the health care there is probably not nearly as adequate as countries like the US.
 
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mask? I thought the flu goes right through anyway.
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its more for people carrying it

I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that if everyone that was sick was wearing a mask the infection rate would be dramatically lower due to it containing mostly everything when you cough for sneeze.
 
crazySOB297 said:
Definitely not the flu. I did the same thing as the second time. I went from zero to sick as hell in about 3 hours, topped off with a 102.5 degree fever and was fine by the next morning.
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I guess whatever you had couldn't take the heat? 🙂

"We'll smoke the monster out!"
 
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