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UK scientists to clone human embryos

This has been happening for years. The only difference is now there is a governmental approval. Move along folks, nothing to see here.
 
Now if only we, the site of the greatest medical facilities and doctors in the world could learn something from this.
 
The vast majority of human beings are not nearly ethically sophisticated enough to comprehend the bioethics of cloning human beings. For crying out loud, we can't even conclusively argue the morality of "proper" use of one's genitals.

Human cloning should be banned until society can catch up with the moral consequences. That said, I don't think it's appropriate to clone human beings at this stage, regardless of the age of the embryo...
 
Originally posted by: MadCowDisease
The vast majority of human beings are not nearly ethically sophisticated enough to comprehend the bioethics of cloning human beings. For crying out loud, we can't even conclusively argue the morality of "proper" use of one's genitals.

Human cloning should be banned until society can catch up with the moral consequences. That said, I don't think it's appropriate to clone human beings at this stage, regardless of the age of the embryo...
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if you're waiting for everyone to reach a consensus on morality, perhaps you're the one who's not ethically sophisticated.
 
Originally posted by: KarenMarie
Dunno, I kinda think this is gonna open a slippery slope that I am not sure we wanna go down.

Just my opinion.

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Well your daughter is in her 20's so when she's in her 50's and gets a horrible disease and they are able to cure her you will be GLAD they went down that slippery slope. It will be too late for but oh well.
 
Originally posted by: gopunk
Originally posted by: MadCowDisease
The vast majority of human beings are not nearly ethically sophisticated enough to comprehend the bioethics of cloning human beings. For crying out loud, we can't even conclusively argue the morality of "proper" use of one's genitals.

Human cloning should be banned until society can catch up with the moral consequences. That said, I don't think it's appropriate to clone human beings at this stage, regardless of the age of the embryo...
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if you're waiting for everyone to reach a consensus on morality, perhaps you're the one who's not ethically sophisticated.
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I am not suggesting anything of the sort. I am simply saying that we are too ethically primitive to tackle something of this magnitude, given that there seems to still be bickering over something as basic as appropriate sexual behavior.
 
I just can't see harvesting humans for stem cells as being a good thing. Sure the possibilities for advancements in the medical field are a great thing, but there are other sources for stem cells.
 
Originally posted by: MadCowDisease
The vast majority of human beings are not nearly ethically sophisticated enough to comprehend the bioethics of cloning human beings. For crying out loud, we can't even conclusively argue the morality of "proper" use of one's genitals.

Human cloning should be banned until society can catch up with the moral consequences. That said, I don't think it's appropriate to clone human beings at this stage, regardless of the age of the embryo...
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It's always people like this who are against cloning, He must have perfect health and has never had a love one die or dieing of a disease.
 
Originally posted by: MadCowDisease
Originally posted by: gopunk
Originally posted by: MadCowDisease
The vast majority of human beings are not nearly ethically sophisticated enough to comprehend the bioethics of cloning human beings. For crying out loud, we can't even conclusively argue the morality of "proper" use of one's genitals.

Human cloning should be banned until society can catch up with the moral consequences. That said, I don't think it's appropriate to clone human beings at this stage, regardless of the age of the embryo...
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if you're waiting for everyone to reach a consensus on morality, perhaps you're the one who's not ethically sophisticated.
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I am not suggesting anything of the sort. I am simply saying that we are too ethically primitive to tackle something of this magnitude, given that there seems to still be bickering over something as basic as appropriate sexual behavior.
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What's so ethically complex about this? Using clusters of cells that will be discarded anyway to research their possible use to cure all kinds of diseases seems pretty straightforward to me.
 
Originally posted by: Stefan
I just can't see harvesting humans for stem cells as being a good thing. Sure the possibilities for advancements in the medical field are a great thing, but there are other sources for stem cells.
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Such as?

I'm no expert but I was under the impression that human embryonic stem cells were the only viable choice?
 
Originally posted by: Epoman
Originally posted by: MadCowDisease
The vast majority of human beings are not nearly ethically sophisticated enough to comprehend the bioethics of cloning human beings. For crying out loud, we can't even conclusively argue the morality of "proper" use of one's genitals.

Human cloning should be banned until society can catch up with the moral consequences. That said, I don't think it's appropriate to clone human beings at this stage, regardless of the age of the embryo...
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It's always people like this who are against cloning, He must have perfect health and has never had a love one die or dieing of a disease.
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I do believe that the research has great potential and could potentially save many lives. I do acknowledge that - but I simply worry about a slippery slope, but I really don't see why preexisting abandoned human embryos can't be used. Cloning embryos could potentially lead to cloning headless human beings for organ harvesting, etc. Cloning of human beings simply opens up too many ethical quandaries which many (including myself) don't want to touch when there are far more important (presumably) issues present.

Science cannot proceed without bioethical restraint. When it blindly leaps into the unknown it may produce tremendously helpful results but at a great price. I am not trying to draw a comparison to the current situation when I mention that science without restraint is exemplified by Mengele's experiments during WWII.
 
Originally posted by: Kev
Originally posted by: Stefan
I just can't see harvesting humans for stem cells as being a good thing. Sure the possibilities for advancements in the medical field are a great thing, but there are other sources for stem cells.
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Such as?

I'm no expert but I was under the impression that human embryonic stem cells were the only viable choice?
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Opponents to the research in GENERAL suggest that there is also potential for 'adult' stem cells. From what I understand, however, the majority of the medical community are convinced that embryonic stem cells offer more potential the aforementioned research, which is usually only backed by the religious right or similarly-minded organizations.
 
Originally posted by: Kev
Originally posted by: MadCowDisease
Originally posted by: gopunk
Originally posted by: MadCowDisease
The vast majority of human beings are not nearly ethically sophisticated enough to comprehend the bioethics of cloning human beings. For crying out loud, we can't even conclusively argue the morality of "proper" use of one's genitals.

Human cloning should be banned until society can catch up with the moral consequences. That said, I don't think it's appropriate to clone human beings at this stage, regardless of the age of the embryo...
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if you're waiting for everyone to reach a consensus on morality, perhaps you're the one who's not ethically sophisticated.
Click to expand...

I am not suggesting anything of the sort. I am simply saying that we are too ethically primitive to tackle something of this magnitude, given that there seems to still be bickering over something as basic as appropriate sexual behavior.
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What's so ethically complex about this? Using clusters of cells that will be discarded anyway to research their possible use to cure all kinds of diseases seems pretty straightforward to me.
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From what I read in the article, I'm under the impression that these are not abandoned embryos that will be used but embryos will be instead be CLONED, which is a different issue entirely. I have beef with the cloning, not with the research in general.
 
Originally posted by: MadCowDisease
I am not trying to draw a comparison to the current situation when I mention that science without restraint is exemplified by Mengele's experiments during WWII.
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So why mention it then? Sounds like debate w/o context.
 
Originally posted by: DBL
Originally posted by: MadCowDisease
I am not trying to draw a comparison to the current situation when I mention that science without restraint is exemplified by Mengele's experiments during WWII.
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So why mention it then? Sounds like debate w/o context.
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I was pointing to the dangers of science proceeding without restraint, using Mengele as a prime example. This serves to exemplify the rest of the post, if you chose to read it instead of fixating on my concluding sentence.
 
Originally posted by: Kev
Originally posted by: Stefan
I just can't see harvesting humans for stem cells as being a good thing. Sure the possibilities for advancements in the medical field are a great thing, but there are other sources for stem cells.
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Such as?

I'm no expert but I was under the impression that human embryonic stem cells were the only viable choice?
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Well, the umbilical cord for instance. Every child born is attached to one.

There are issues with using adult stem cells...
There are currently several limitations to using adult stem cells. Although many different kinds of multipotent stem cells have been identified, adult stem cells that could give rise to all cell and tissue types have not yet been found. Adult stem cells are often present in only minute quantities and can therefore be difficult to isolate and purify. There is also evidence that they may not have the same capacity to multiply as embryonic stem cells do. Finally, adult stem cells may contain more DNA abnormalities?caused by sunlight, toxins, and errors in making more DNA copies during the course of a lifetime. These potential weaknesses might limit the usefulness of adult stem cells.
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From: National Institutes of Health resource for stem cell research
 
Originally posted by: Eli
Good.

What slippery slope is there? It's a bundle of cells, nothing more.
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The cluster of cells is still a human life. Why create a life with the intent to kill it to get some cells, when you can get the cells without having to kill the life.

The umbilical cord is a great alternative.
 
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