UK launches massive, one-year program to archive every email

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http://tech.yahoo.com/blogs/null/136610

UK launches massive, one-year program to archive every email

In a move that even the most nonchalant of privacy advocates is crying foul over, the UK has put into effect a European Union directive which mandates the archival of information regarding virtually all internet traffic for the next 12 months. The program formally went into effect Monday.

The data retention rules require the archival of all email traffic (the identities of the sender and receiver, but not the contents of the messages), records of VOIP telephone calls (traditional phone calls are already monitored), and information about every website visited by any computer user in the country. The rules are being pushed down "across the board to even the smallest company," as every ISP large or small will be required to collect and store the data. That data will then be accessible -- to fight "crime and terrorism," of course -- by "hundreds of public bodies" to investigate whatever crimes they see fit.


Technically the new directive applies to all countries of the EU, but individual nations appear to be complying with the rules to various degrees. Privacy-obsessed Sweden is reportedly ignoring the rule completely, for example.

The privacy implications of the rule are enormous, as everything UK citizens do online will now be under the watchful eye of EU's powerful Home Office. One privacy advocate, whose anger is clearly barely being held back, called it "the kind of technology that the Stasi would have dreamed of." Naturally, the government counters that this kind of information has already proven invaluable in tracking down criminals, including the killer of an 11-year-old boy a couple of years ago.

Privacy concerns aside, another issue becomes one of how exactly to manage all this data. A report dating back to 2004 estimated that a single, large ISP in the UK would need up to 40 million gigabytes of storage capacity to store the traffic data from a year of user activity. Even in 2009, that kind of storage doesn't come cheap, nor does the challenge of managing it all come easy.



Un-f*cking-believable.
 

Saga

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Further reason why I trust no company (Yahoo, Google) and the trust I put in my own hosted e-mail solution extends only as far as the receiver (so not really at all, but at least I know not ALL of them are archived that way).
 

FelixDeCat

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Wasnt there a book warning about something like this? I think it was called 2009 or something.

Oh well. :(
 

rudder

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Originally posted by: techs
Privacy concerns aside, another issue becomes one of how exactly to manage all this data. A report dating back to 2004 estimated that a single, large ISP in the UK would need up to 40 million gigabytes of storage capacity to store the traffic data from a year of user activity. Even in 2009, that kind of storage doesn't come cheap, nor does the challenge of managing it all come easy.

I wonder if they have to maintain an offsite copy. Everyones internet bill in England is about to triple.
 

Kelvrick

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Hmm, economy in shitter. Lets spend tons of money downloading the internet!

Someone link the "downloading the internet" gif.

EDIT: Hmm, I see no potential for abuse.

Go swedes!!
 

silverpig

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Geez.

Although could one not get around this with a non-EU vpn? I bet a UK->SwedenVPN->internet would be plenty speedy.
 

Jeff7

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Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
Wasnt there a book warning about something like this? I think it was called 2009 or something.

Oh well. :(
Little brother is growing.

 
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SlitheryDee

How is it possible that people anywhere would stand for this? Would we allow this to happen if a similar program were initiated in the US? What would we do to stop it?
 

Glitchny

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Originally posted by: SlitheryDee
How is it possible that people anywhere would stand for this? Would we allow this to happen if a similar program were initiated in the US? What would we do to stop it?

well considering the FBI already has the Carnivore program which monitors and flags emails, i doubt many people in the US would put up a fight. Gotta remember that half the people using a computer don't have 1 iota of understanding as to how they work. (although the carnivore program is nowhere near as far reaching as this thing.)
 

TallBill

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Originally posted by: SlitheryDee
How is it possible that people anywhere would stand for this? Would we allow this to happen if a similar program were initiated in the US? What would we do to stop it?

Bitch about it on online forums?
 

seemingly random

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adhd compulsion?

I don't suppose a disk drive company helped formulate this plan...

Is this being done in the u.s. - informally? Homeland security, et.al.
 

OCGuy

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Originally posted by: seemingly random
adhd compulsion?

I don't suppose a disk drive company helped formulate this plan...

Is this being done in the u.s. - informally? Homeland security, et.al.

We have programs that pick key words (Wiki Echelon, Carnivore, and unnamed succesors), but I doubt they actually archive emails.
 

FelixDeCat

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Originally posted by: SlitheryDee
How is it possible that people anywhere would stand for this? Would we allow this to happen if a similar program were initiated in the US? What would we do to stop it?

The UK was the first country to make mainstream use of cameras on every corner, red lights and highways. Guess which country is now making use of cameras on every corner, red light and highway?

If this programme is successful in the EU, then I predict within 5 years they will try to implement it here.

 
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SlitheryDee

Originally posted by: TallBill
Originally posted by: SlitheryDee
How is it possible that people anywhere would stand for this? Would we allow this to happen if a similar program were initiated in the US? What would we do to stop it?

Bitch about it on online forums?

I'm serious. That's some freaky shit. It's the beginnings of a government that has a stranglehold on every form of communication available to its population. What the hell kind of life are they going to have left that's worth "protecting" from the terrorists when they get to the bottom of this slippery slope? Jesus that worries the hell out of me.
 

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Originally posted by: FelixDeKat
Originally posted by: SlitheryDee
How is it possible that people anywhere would stand for this? Would we allow this to happen if a similar program were initiated in the US? What would we do to stop it?

The UK was the first country to make mainstream use of cameras on every corner, red lights and highways. Guess which country is now making use of cameras on every corner, red light and highway?

If this programme is successful in the EU, then I predict within 5 years they will try to implement it here.
I heard recently that they were going to start removing some of them. Can't remember where or why.
 

zCypher

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So more people will hack things up and they'll use that as grounds to go even further into monitoring and "security"