johnjohn320
Diamond Member
That's up to interpretation. What does it say to you?
That is quite possibly the dumbest thing I have ever read.
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Uhh...what is the point of this 'art'?
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That's up to interpretation. What does it say to you?
That is quite possibly the dumbest thing I have ever read.
WinkOsmosis
Banned
I find it hard to believe that anyone would say it's not art.... I guess dark stuff can't be art? That's a new one.
WinkOsmosis
Banned
Maybe you will paint stuff like this when you realize that finishing college in 2 years or whatever is sad and dark!
Do you have to ask the "point" of art?
all i see is the same theme thats been done a million times before, for hundreds, sometimes thousands of years. might as well be a beach scene with some seagulls. same with music, movies and tv. IMO, theyre just paintings and not art, but art is personal, so what do i know. i personally consider art something i cant quite pin down how it makes me feel, or something that changes the way i see/feel about something. finding things like that has been quite difficult since the late teens. but, its all in the eye/ear/mind of the beholder.
a few do look cool tho.🙂
a few do look cool tho.🙂
UglyCasanova
Lifer
That's how I feel. I respect the man's ability to paint because he does a good job on that end, I just think that they might as well have been pictures of a bowl of fruit. I guess it's just not my thing, but if others like it then what the hey.
This guy does amazing work with oils. I remember his meat collection being featured in juxtopoz magazine a while back, I believe his painting "princess sputnik" got the cover of that issue. Juxtopoz tends to feature "low brow" art, but this guy's stuff is totally amazing. Great technique. I'm still in awe of this guy.
Did anyone see my comment about him having an active imagination?
You don't have to be a druggie to think of some seriously crazed sh!t. Just look at Geof Darrow.
I find many of the posts in this thread to be a refreshing dose of ignorance and stupidity.
Not that I don't get enough of that living here on Earth and all, but hey, who doesn't love it?
Heh.. Active imagination huh?
If I posted anything like the snippit I posted, I would be called insane, asked if I was high, etc.. It isn't much of a stretch. So because he's an artist, it's normal?!
Doesen't fly like that in my book. I respect his art... but like I said.. Dudes got issues. 😛
I think sh!t like that all the time. I've written sh!t like that.
I've also never touched LSD, crack, heroin, oxycodin, and numerous other substances.
I might have *A* beer (and a real one, none of that American piss-beer watered down sh!t) once every 2 weeks or so, when occasion warrants.
I'm also one of the most sane people I know.
Then again, if you're insane, it's impossible to know if you're insane, so maybe I'm insane. Regardless, pi is good.
I've also never touched LSD, crack, heroin, oxycodin, and numerous other substances.
I might have *A* beer (and a real one, none of that American piss-beer watered down sh!t) once every 2 weeks or so, when occasion warrants.
I'm also one of the most sane people I know.
Then again, if you're insane, it's impossible to know if you're insane, so maybe I'm insane. Regardless, pi is good.
UglyCasanova
Lifer
How so, because not everyone shares your opinion on the matter?
I find that no more bizarre than stories about Elves and Hobbits and sh!t. It's no more out there than a story about an alternate reality in which machines dominate the world.
It's no more grotesque than anything I've seen stand-up comedians, writers, artists, and MYSELF think/do/say/create for the past 21 years of my life.
If you think that is anything BUT funny, maybe you've got issues.
No, because I'll bet you a quarterburger that if you took that website to your teacher and told him that there's not a fiber in your that considers that art, he'd smack you upside the head with a Dali reprint.
Art is prone to being poorly defined, I'll give it that. But aside from "sculptures" that consist of a hobo's backyard filled with trashbags or a steaming pile of feces, I've got a loose definition of art.
That painting, that's like 50 inches by 30 inches, and has a 1 inch red dot in the middle? I may f*cking hate the sh!t out of it, but I still think it's art.
Ever hear of "Broadway Boogywoogy"? People at the time bashed that for being a poor excuse for art, but ask any art critic/teacher today if it was art, and they'd tell you it was.
Yes, art can mean many things. But this guy's work isn't ANYWHERE near the Thin Red Line between art and bullsh!t.
Dude....... The guy said he saw a tiny Abraham Lincoln sitting on his shoulder. And it told him to "paint meat".
He's telling it like it's a non-fiction. There's a clear line between something like this and clearly fictitious reading material. :Q
Chalk it up any way you want, it isn't normal. 😛
UglyCasanova
Lifer
That's your opinion and the beauty of it. We could go at it all night arguing about it's artistic merit and we won't get anywhere. Hell, I don't think we could even define the term art. If you like it, that's great. I don't. Does that make me ignorant or uncultured? Like I've said earlier, the man does has some skill with the brush, but I just think his subject matter somewhat lacks in the creativity department. The subject matter has been done before a million times over, and to me it seems like he just sat down and thought "What can I do to incorporate blood into this picture..." Hell, the title of the set "Blood" set off all sorts of cheese alarms even before I looked at the pics.
It doesn't matter though, because I won't change your mind and you won't change mine. While I personally do not care for the work, I do not think that you are ignorant because you do.
I'm arguing because while you admit that your opinion of the work and mine differ, you still continue to say it's not art. This is an argument that can be won, because it's either art or it isn't.
When I wake up, I look forward to continuing. I'm going to go to bed in a moment, but first, I need to get something off my chest.
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By the way, just so you know, I laugh at the people who are going to school to "become artists."
That's the biggest pile of horsesh!t that thousands of people have been duped into believing.
YES: You can go to school to learn art history. Certainly.
But you cannot LEARN to appreciate, nor can you learn to create, ART. Art is not something that can be taught. Just like poetry cannot be taught. Just like the way to become a good writer cannot be taught. And just like being a good musician CANNOT BE TAUGHT.
You can learn to use techniques, you can learn the styles, you can learn the history - But you cannot LEARN how to make it. You have to discover that on your own. And you cannot learn how to enjoy it - That too has to come to you on your own time and dime.
I loved the movie "Dead Poet's Society" because there was a great moment in it - When all those students tore out that page in their textbooks which detailed how to "rate" a poem.
That's bullsh!t. You can't rate a poem on a scale of 1 to 10, or 1 to 100, or anything. You can only look at a poem and see if it evokes something in you, see if it effects you.
If that poem has NO effect whatsoever - that does not mean it isn't a poem.
It means you didn't like that poem.
I hate ee cummings, but that doesn't mean it isn't a poem.
I hate the new Metallica, but that doesn't mean it isn't music.
I hate Harry Potter, but that doesn't mean it isn't a novel.
I hate abstract art, but that doesn't mean it isn't art.
Do you get the drift?
</rant>
UglyCasanova
Lifer
I agree 110%. I was a CS major for 2 quarters and decided it wasn't for me (and it's not because I couldn't handle it either, I had a 3.6 GPA 😛). I just could not see myself sitting in front of a computer writing code for the rest of my life, so I went into graphic design. I have been drawing ever since I was about 3, and everything I know about art I've learned on my own. This doesn't mean that there is no value in education, however. Like you said, you cannot go to art school and expect to learn to appreciate art. I am going to increase my skill and learn new styles, plus a college education never hurt anybody.
There are people who do go to school expecting to learn the essence and meaning of art, and more power to them for trying. I don't think it's possible, however. Like you said, it is just one of those things that you have to discover on your own. To me the only way to truly appreciate any form of art is to actually practice it. I've never played an instrument, and even though I love music I can't sit there and examine the notes like the people who do play instruments. This does not mean that I cannot enjoy a song, but I just think that there is a higher level of appreciation out there that I just don't understand.
I don't think our opinions differ all that much ( except for when it comes down to Mr. Ryden's works ).
There are people who do go to school expecting to learn the essence and meaning of art, and more power to them for trying. I don't think it's possible, however. Like you said, it is just one of those things that you have to discover on your own. To me the only way to truly appreciate any form of art is to actually practice it. I've never played an instrument, and even though I love music I can't sit there and examine the notes like the people who do play instruments. This does not mean that I cannot enjoy a song, but I just think that there is a higher level of appreciation out there that I just don't understand.
I don't think our opinions differ all that much ( except for when it comes down to Mr. Ryden's works ).
Look, I never said that it wasn't art. Quite the contrary, of course it's art. What the hell else would it be?
I just think the guy's got a screw loose, that's all.
I understand what you're saying re: your analogy with the bible, but even still.. that's different.
If the guy really believes that happened.. then.. yeah. Can't really compare it to a 2000 year old book, though.
If I told you that pigs fly, and I was really serious about it.. would you just blow it off as I have an active imagination? 😛
No, you'd say that I have a screw loose.. 😛
I just think the guy's got a screw loose, that's all.
I understand what you're saying re: your analogy with the bible, but even still.. that's different.
If the guy really believes that happened.. then.. yeah. Can't really compare it to a 2000 year old book, though.
If I told you that pigs fly, and I was really serious about it.. would you just blow it off as I have an active imagination? 😛
No, you'd say that I have a screw loose.. 😛
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