Uh, we are rooting for which side in the Iraq Civil War?

[techs]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060222/ap_...;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl
Shrine Attack Brings Civil War Warning
Insurgents detonated bombs inside one of Iraq's holiest Shiite shrines Wednesday, destroying its golden dome and triggering more than 60 reprisal attacks on Sunni mosques. The president warned that extremists were pushing the country toward civil war, as many Shiites lashed out at the United States as partly to blame.

So here is my question.
Which side should we root for?
The Shiites who suffered under Hussein but who, if they win, would probably draw Iraq closer to Iran and make Iraq more religiously fundamental?
The Sunnis who persecuted the Shiites and contain many of Saddams loyalist, who are for a more secular Iran?

Man, its a tough choice!
What's your pick?

 

[Todd33]

I root for the team that moves our guys out, the Iraqis can work out their own problems.

 

[conjur]

Time to implement the Murtha Resolution and move our troops beyond Iraq's borders and out of the line of fire.

We have nowhere near enough troops to secure the peace and that leaves them in Iraq for the sole purpose of being target practice.

 

[imported_Crusader]

Originally posted by: conjur
Time to implement the Murtha Resolution and move our troops beyond Iraq's borders and out of the line of fire.

We have nowhere near enough troops to secure the peace and that leaves them in Iraq for the sole purpose of being target practice.

Wrong.

There were plenty of insurgents post WW2 in former Nazi Germany.. bad things are going to happen but we have to stay the course just like we did before. And worse things are going to happen to mankind if we dont finish the job.

 

[Pens1566]

Originally posted by: Crusader

Originally posted by: conjur
Time to implement the Murtha Resolution and move our troops beyond Iraq's borders and out of the line of fire.

We have nowhere near enough troops to secure the peace and that leaves them in Iraq for the sole purpose of being target practice.

Wrong.

There were plenty of insurgents post WW2 in former Nazi Germany.. bad things are going to happen but we have to stay the course just like we did before. And worse things are going to happen to mankind if we dont finish the job.

You mean the ones throwing flowers?

 

[EatSpam]

Originally posted by: Todd33
I root for the team that moves our guys out, the Iraqis can work out their own problems.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Crusader

Originally posted by: conjur
Time to implement the Murtha Resolution and move our troops beyond Iraq's borders and out of the line of fire.

We have nowhere near enough troops to secure the peace and that leaves them in Iraq for the sole purpose of being target practice.

Wrong.

There were plenty of insurgents post WW2 in former Nazi Germany

Uh...proof?

bad things are going to happen but we have to stay the course just like we did before. And worse things are going to happen to mankind if we dont finish the job.

Uh, bad things are happening because the US invaded in the first place and a continued US presence will only make things worse. You really haven't a clue as to how things are in the world, do you? America is not the center of the universe. Drop the pre-1616 mentality.

 

[tommywishbone]

Easy; whichever side owns the oil fields.

 

[makken]

Originally posted by: tommywishbone
Easy; whichever side owns the oil fields.

heh aint that the truth

 

[techs]

Originally posted by: Crusader

Originally posted by: conjur
Time to implement the Murtha Resolution and move our troops beyond Iraq's borders and out of the line of fire.

We have nowhere near enough troops to secure the peace and that leaves them in Iraq for the sole purpose of being target practice.

Wrong.

There were plenty of insurgents post WW2 in former Nazi Germany.. bad things are going to happen but we have to stay the course just like we did before. And worse things are going to happen to mankind if we dont finish the job.

Thats a poor analogy. Perhaps you never read or saw pictures of American jeeps with a cross member bolted straight up from the grill to break the wires that were strung to decapitate Americans. Plus we had a MILLION troops in a country which had lost most of its able bodied men. And that was only in our sector in Germany, our allies had a couple of million more.
And Germany was not a country with deep seated religious hatred, in so far as there were few Jews left. It was still a fairly unified country. And the U.S. had a similiar religion to the Germans.
Plus the big, bad Russkies were not treating the Germans very well, especially compared to the U.S. Which went a long way in tamping down the insurgency. And when the Russkies made it clear they were keeping part of Germany the U.S. was needed and wanted to keep the Russkies from taking over all of Germany.
A totally different situation

 

[ayabe]

Originally posted by: Crusader

Originally posted by: conjur
Time to implement the Murtha Resolution and move our troops beyond Iraq's borders and out of the line of fire.

We have nowhere near enough troops to secure the peace and that leaves them in Iraq for the sole purpose of being target practice.

Wrong.

There were plenty of insurgents post WW2 in former Nazi Germany.. bad things are going to happen but we have to stay the course just like we did before. And worse things are going to happen to mankind if we dont finish the job.

You can't compare Iraq to Germany post WWII, sorry not even close. We(the allies) had millions of troops in Germany and people flocked to us because they didn't want to face retribution from the Russians, they don't ask questions they just shoot people, rape all the women, or send to them to Siberia never to be seen again, I guess the Russians were a little pissed at the Germans for the atrocities they committed.

 

[imported_Crusader]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Crusader

Originally posted by: conjur
Time to implement the Murtha Resolution and move our troops beyond Iraq's borders and out of the line of fire.

We have nowhere near enough troops to secure the peace and that leaves them in Iraq for the sole purpose of being target practice.

Wrong.

There were plenty of insurgents post WW2 in former Nazi Germany

Uh...proof?

bad things are going to happen but we have to stay the course just like we did before. And worse things are going to happen to mankind if we dont finish the job.

Uh, bad things are happening because the US invaded in the first place and a continued US presence will only make things worse. You really haven't a clue as to how things are in the world, do you? America is not the center of the universe. Drop the pre-1616 mentality.

Proof? No problem. I'm not politically motivated but truth motivated.

General info on the Nazi Werwolf movement
A discussion on the topic by people who have a very vast knowledge on the subject

 

[Pens1566]

Unless the vaunted werewolf movement was responsible for killing thousands of GIs once we "mission accomplished", then its not a valid comparison.

 

[imported_Crusader]

Of course it couldnt be a valid comparison.. most of you have an agenda that wouldnt allow it to be comparable.
Thats the truth of the matter. Enjoy.

 

[Pens1566]

Sand in gas tanks doesn't really compare to shrapnel in skulls.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Originally posted by: Crusader

Proof? No problem. I'm not politically motivated but truth motivated.

General info on the Nazi Werwolf movement

From your link-

Recently the history of Werwolf has been employed in arguments about the American-led occupation of Iraq [1] [2] [3]. Some aspects of Werwolf which are relevant to this discussion are:

1. Werwolf was principally a war stratagem of the Nazi government. It withered by the month after German surrender; the German people were tired of war.
2. As a war effort, Werwolf was truncated by the stratagem of accepting Western defeat to avoid occupation by Russians.
3. Werwolf had a mythological reputation which was deliberately fostered by Nazi propaganda. Its psychological presence exceeded confirmed incidents, especially after surrender.
4. Nonetheless, Werwolf was far weaker than many other historically significant guerrilla insurgencies, for example, those in Vietnam and Iraq.

But thanks for the link, it proves this guy was wrong anyways 😉

Originally posted by: irwincur

Coming from the person who claims the post war occupations in Germany and Japan claimed 10000 lives, you can pretty much bet on it not only being made up, but completely wrong.

Sorry, but that's a simple fact.

Have you ever heard of the werewolves? Guess not.

 

[techs]

Originally posted by: Crusader
Of course it couldnt be a valid comparison.. most of you have an agenda that wouldnt allow it to be comparable.
Thats the truth of the matter. Enjoy.

You're the one not accepting the proof thats been put before you.
And your claim that:
"bad things are going to happen but we have to stay the course just like we did before. And worse things are going to happen to mankind if we dont finish the job."
Is exactly the claim that was made when we were in Viet Nam.
Now we buy shrimp from Viet Nam and they want us to outsource our jobs there.
Turns out when you don't have an invading army to fight often countries will then focus on improving itself. Viet Nam is no democracy and certainly not a human rights paradise but its not worse, and perhaps even better than China.

 

[imported_Crusader]

Originally posted by: Orignal Earl

Originally posted by: Crusader

Proof? No problem. I'm not politically motivated but truth motivated.

General info on the Nazi Werwolf movement

From your link-

Recently the history of Werwolf has been employed in arguments about the American-led occupation of Iraq [1] [2] [3]. Some aspects of Werwolf which are relevant to this discussion are:

1. Werwolf was principally a war stratagem of the Nazi government. It withered by the month after German surrender; the German people were tired of war.
2. As a war effort, Werwolf was truncated by the stratagem of accepting Western defeat to avoid occupation by Russians.
3. Werwolf had a mythological reputation which was deliberately fostered by Nazi propaganda. Its psychological presence exceeded confirmed incidents, especially after surrender.
4. Nonetheless, Werwolf was far weaker than many other historically significant guerrilla insurgencies, for example, those in Vietnam and Iraq.

But thanks for the link, it proves this guy was wrong anyways 😉

q]Originally posted by: irwincur

Coming from the person who claims the post war occupations in Germany and Japan claimed 10000 lives, you can pretty much bet on it not only being made up, but completely wrong.

Sorry, but that's a simple fact.

Have you ever heard of the werewolves? Guess not.

[/quote]

Yes I've read my links, and I know far more of Werwolf than you do.
Because its less intense (Werwolf) does not mean the comparison isnt valid. It is.

The point being, it would have been a mistake to leave Germany (we still have military bases there), and it would be a mistake to leave Iraq (we need military bases there for stability, we'll leave when the Iraqi gov't tells us too.. but like Germany in fear of the USSR.. they wont want us to leave 😉 Which is not good for liberals who want us out of Iraq because we are spreading Americanisms ie. capitalism and the American culture which follows).

Of course liberals want Iraq to be a dismal failure, one less proof that capitalism works (Japan, former West Germany, South Korea) and socialism is quite possibly the largest failure in the history of mankind. But the smart people are already right wing, we can learn from history that Iraq is better off looking like Japan than East Germany. 😉

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Crusader

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Crusader

Originally posted by: conjur
Time to implement the Murtha Resolution and move our troops beyond Iraq's borders and out of the line of fire.

We have nowhere near enough troops to secure the peace and that leaves them in Iraq for the sole purpose of being target practice.

Wrong.

There were plenty of insurgents post WW2 in former Nazi Germany

Uh...proof?

bad things are going to happen but we have to stay the course just like we did before. And worse things are going to happen to mankind if we dont finish the job.

Uh, bad things are happening because the US invaded in the first place and a continued US presence will only make things worse. You really haven't a clue as to how things are in the world, do you? America is not the center of the universe. Drop the pre-1616 mentality.

Proof? No problem. I'm not politically motivated but truth motivated.

General info on the Nazi Werwolf movement
A discussion on the topic by people who have a very vast knowledge on the subject

Wow...you're not serious, are you? You see, this is the big leagues. Up here, we actually have a clue when little Freepers like you come around.

Let me ask you a very simple question:

What was the timeframe for the Werwolf operations and when was V-E Day?

 

[maddogchen]

Root for the Kurds! Go Kurds Go!

 

[Lemon law]

I have posted in previous threads that a widespread Iraqi civil war is a strong possibility. The tit for tat bombing of Mosques may be a
precursor for a civil war and just one of many ways a civil war could be triggered.

The point being---if a widespread civil war happens the position of an occupying force can turn from a managable problem to absolutely untenable in just a matter of a few days.---one can hope, for the sake of world peace, that the Bush administration is working overtime to defuse this crisis.----as far as I know, the one missing element required for a really bloody civil war is readily available heavy weapons-----but if those heavy weapons appear in the hands of one or more sides----we can infer that some planning is behind this and that the jig is up for GWB's adventures in Iraq.

 

[tommywishbone]

Someone is comparing Nazi Germany to Iraq? Drugs are bad... mmmmkay.

Edit: I'm a Sistani man. Go Sistani Go!

 

[imported_Crusader]

Originally posted by: conjur
Wow...you're not serious, are you? You see, this is the big leagues.

The big leagues? Give me a break. You are a ATP&N ****. Fill in whatever is appropriate. Jerk works for me. Get a life man. Thanks for the laugh.. big league? :laugh:
May God help you little man..

 

[Pens1566]

So, we're going to keep military bases in Iraq for 50, 60 years? And then leave when they tell us to? Great plan. What if they tell us to leave next week? Mistake to leave?

 

[Pens1566]

Originally posted by: tommywishbone
Someone is comparing Nazi Germany to Iraq? Drugs are bad... mmmmkay.

Edit: I'm a Sistani man. Go Sistani Go!

Believe it or not, this isn't the first time this week that's happened.