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Lifer
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I've been running two midtowers for years. They are actually mounted one on top of the other, the top one is bolted to the bottom one with a single bolt, the top one is anchored to a window sill with a DIY bracket. I use the top one for HDTV service, principally. The bottom one also has an HDTV PCI card in it, but it's seldom used. Main very occasional use has been on the rare occasion when I make two simultaneous HDTV recordings.

The mobo in the top (most used) system died end of 2016 and I bought a used mobo to replace it. Swimmingly, it works, except for one critical thing: no matter what I try it will never resume from S3 Suspend. That makes it impossible to use it to make scheduled recordings unless the machine is left on. The second (bottom) system has no such problem. However, the motherboard in it is so old it doesn't even have an SATA controller: MSI K8N Neo 2.0v H.

So, I run IDE HDs in the bottom, seldom-used system. I have Windows 2000 Professional on that system. Fact is, it might be a better candidate for my main HDTV machine if I save data to my network. Or, maybe I can install a PCI SATA card so it will accommodate an internal 2TB SATA HD.

Be that as it may, the system has 3GB of RAM (three 1GB sticks).

Both systems have had problems locking up, freezes necessitating a reset and, of course, screwing up my recordings at least to the extent of my having to manually press the reset button, etc (very occasionally sometimes, other times maybe as much as once each usage on average... I don't know why this happens, what's at play). I tested the RAM in the 2nd system a few weeks ago with Memtest+ and got a ton of errors. This surprised me because I'm almost positive I'd tested the RAM before and it all passed. However, when I put all 3 sticks of that RAM in the system, I got the errors. I read online that I should test each stick individually, possibly by moving them around in the slots. Yesterday I get around to starting that test:

I remove sticks 2 and 3, leaving stick 1 in slot one, two passes of Memtest+ and no errors. I remove stick 1 and insert stick 2 in slot 2. However, I screwed up and didn't realize I was trying to force the stick into the slot backwards. I figured out my mistake, got it in right, but the machine didn't boot to Memtest+. Instead it gave off 3 beeps (about 1 second each) followed by a few seconds, then the pattern repeated, etc. However, I immediately smelled burning electronics. That's where it stands. I figure either the motherboard is toast(ing) or the PSU, but more likely it's the mobo. I don't see signs of burning but the smell was unmistakable. What does the beep pattern mean? I think RAM or motherboard issue. I don't recall if it's an Award or AMI BIOS. I do have other PSUs around, no replacement motherboard. Should I just shop for another motherboard for the system?
 
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Fardringle

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3 beeps indicates a RAM issue. It's possible the RAM is not seated properly, or something broke when you were trying to push it in the wrong direction.
 

sm625

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If you tried to jam the DIMM in backwards then maybe you ruined some of the pins in the DIMM socket causing it to short. Inspect the socket and the DIMM carefully.
 

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I found an Everest report for the system on my NAS, ran in 2009. It has an American Megatrends (AMI) BIOS. Searching for their beep codes, I get this:

I guess it's 3 short beeps, there's nothing for 3 long or mediums. Mine are about 1 second each. Says this means "A memory failure has occurred in the first 64K of RAM. The RAM IC is probably bad"

I'm thinking the mobo is fried now. I mean, that smell, how could it be OK at this point?
 

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Yeah, I'm thinking that pretty strong smell of burning electronics was the death knell for the mobo. Odds on. Anyway, that mobo is so dang old, no SATA support, no PCIe. Funny thing is I had ideas I could make it my HDTV machine regardless, but guess not anymore. So dumb what I did. Sigh...
 

VirtualLarry

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Sorry to hear that. You've been on quite a roller-coaster ride trying to make things work with outdated hardware and software. I still think that you can make things work with Win7.
 

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Sorry to hear that. You've been on quite a roller-coaster ride trying to make things work with outdated hardware and software. I still think that you can make things work with Win7.
I'm going to try Win7 on that Gigabyte EP45 UD3R before I abandon it. Can I just install from an OEM disk, enter the key and it will work for 30 days? I have a Win7 32bit Home OEM disk, but I used it to install on one of my laptops that I've subsequently upgraded to Win10 32bit. So, it won't do for a new install, but maybe it will work for a trial test.

I've started looking at Ebay for possible replacements. I'm not deep in this stuff. This one looks like a possibility, what do you think:

GIGABYTE GA-P43-ES3G LGA 775 Intel P43 FSB DDR2 ATX Motherboard

I think it will work with the Q8200 and the RAM and maybe the dual DVI video card too. The fact that it's Gigabyte has me concerned, but a quick search didn't seem to have hits for sleep issues.
 
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Why would you even consider doing maintenance on a system so old its running windows 2000?

For $300 - $500 you could cobble together parts for a system that would blow that away.

In fact any system on the market even super cheap ones would have to be way way more powerful, and you wouldnt have to play with it for a good 3-5 years.

I am a PC repair tech, if someone tells me their computer is over 4 years old. I recommend a new one rather than repair. Unless their original system was tip top of the line. Then maybe repair if its still a relevant system.
 

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Why would you even consider doing maintenance on a system so old its running windows 2000?

For $300 - $500 you could cobble together parts for a system that would blow that away.

In fact any system on the market even super cheap ones would have to be way way more powerful, and you wouldnt have to play with it for a good 3-5 years.

I am a PC repair tech, if someone tells me their computer is over 4 years old. I recommend a new one rather than repair. Unless their original system was tip top of the line. Then maybe repair if its still a relevant system.
Apparently this is your first Muse thread :)
 
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Lifer
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Why would you even consider doing maintenance on a system so old its running windows 2000?

For $300 - $500 you could cobble together parts for a system that would blow that away.

In fact any system on the market even super cheap ones would have to be way way more powerful, and you wouldnt have to play with it for a good 3-5 years.

I am a PC repair tech, if someone tells me their computer is over 4 years old. I recommend a new one rather than repair. Unless their original system was tip top of the line. Then maybe repair if its still a relevant system.
I have special requirements for my two midtowers that most out-the-door boxes won't fulfill:

Has to run PCI sound card and PCI HDTV card + it's daughterboard, which would maybe require a 3rd PCI slot to hover over. And the HDTV card (MyHD 130) won't run in over Win7. It will run fine in XP, and running that saves me spending $150 for Win7 32bit.
Apparently this is your first Muse thread :)
Hey Ketchup, why don't you get back in your hamburger?
 

Ken g6

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I have special requirements for my two midtowers that most out-the-door boxes won't fulfill:

Has to run PCI sound card and PCI HDTV card + it's daughterboard, which would maybe require a 3rd PCI slot to hover over. And the HDTV card (MyHD 130) won't run in over Win7. It will run fine in XP, and running that saves me spending $150 for Win7 32bit.
Here's a B150 board that would work for you. Under $70 after rebate. https://m.newegg.com/products/N82E16813132697
 

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VirtualLarry

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Just install Win7 without putting in a key. It's pretty-much fully usable, including updates. Then, you could install your software and try it out if it's going to work.