Uh Oh: India considers war with Pakistan

[lawaris]

<< i don't like either country, just don't screw up the environment with those nukes and i don't give a rat's ass. >>



Why do u want to like them ???

They don't want u there , anyway:disgust:

 

[Kadarin]

I can just see India attacking Pakistan with nukes: Consider their homegrown "Prithvi" missle technology..

(just strap one of those backpack nukes and launch with catapult)

Actually, I believe that India is completely in the right here, and should have the right to wipe the floor with Musharraf's face. Pakistan is a festering cesspool, a breeding ground for Islamic militants, and it needs to be cleaned up. I think that our decision to work with the Pakistanis could eventually come back to haunt us.

-j

 

[chiwawa626]

Well i think we all know without any outside help pakistan will be crushed again for like what the third or 4th time? (Well thats as long as they dont "nuke" it out) Btw, theyre more advanced then a wheelbarow launcher... Just hope they dont screw it up for the both of em by nuking, which i know will not happen.

 

[The Stigenator]

before anybody says this is india's fault.
It had been reported that pakistan had moved tonnes of armed personal and heavy artilery into the Rajesthan and Gujurat areas prior to having the incident on December 13th. India had noticed it but didnt do anything about it, until and after teh parliment attacks. The LOC and IB are the two areas that can be infiltrated especially in those two states mentioned above. Those states dont have full "barbed wire" hooked up yet at teh international border cause its a desert. India is doing it but it takes time.

Now as for war, I am against war all together, however in this case I must support india. Not because I was born there but because its been far too long that they have been following the policy on Ahimsa or Non Violence. Its about time they show that its not just non-violence but they can hit back if necessary.

By the way the events that are happening right now in the subcontinent is the exact senario that played in the 1971 war against india and pakistan. However back then Indian troops had said to have crossed over to East Pakistan (now known as Bangladesh) which caused the final flash point. That war was started by the Indian Army and not by the Indian Goverment. It was started because some of the military personal had gone into East Pakistan (Bangladesh). This war lead to the freedom from West Pakistan which renamed itself to Pakistan. East Pakistan got its freedom to be renamed Bangladesh. This was all thanks to India. However the initial conflict was due to some indian soliders.
The massing of military and the heavy firing across the line was also very much present in 1971.

 

[xyyz]

sheesh... the ATF Indian lobby back at their disinformation campaign....

please get a hold of General Zinni's report detailing who has the more advanced arsenal.... and then you silly Indians can sit the hell down.

you people seem way too interested in war. do you realize that many people will die and many afterwards will be seriously F-ed? don't you have any relatives inthe region that you worry about?

you people need to get off of this "nuke the pakistani bastards" run and mellow out.

BTW...don't we have any bloody pakis here that will stick for their country... or are all of you pussies and do I need to defend Pakistan?

 

[Kadarin]

<< BTW...don't we have any bloody pakis here that will stick for their country... or are all of you pussies and do I need to defend Pakistan? >>



Defend Pakistan? What for? When was the last time you heard about some miltant Hindu suicide squad shooting up the Pakistani parliament (or military HQ, or whatever passes for seat of government there)?

-j

 

[xyyz]

here you stupid F-s

educate yourself on the nuclear programs of both countries.... and please don't ever say that India developed is S- all on it's own.... and please shutup about how all Pakistan's nuclear tech came from China.

actually if you look at it... you'd litterally "blame canada"


The Associated Press, "Nuclear History In India, Pakistan," New York Times, May 28, 1998

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Events in Indian, Pakistani nuclear development:
India

--1948: India establishes an Atomic Energy Commission for exploration for uranium ore.

--1953: President Eisenhower launches ``Atoms for Peace'' program, offering access to exchange atomic technology for pledges to use it for civilian use, not weapons.

--1954: Head of India's AEC, rejects safeguards, oversight by new International Atomic Energy Agency.

--1956: India completes negotiations to build 40 megawatt ``Canadian-Indian Reactor, U.S.'' research reactor. United States supplies heavy water, used to control nuclear fission.

--1958: India begins designing and acquiring equipment for its own Trombay plutonium reprocessing facility, giving the nation a dual-use capability that could lead to atomic weapons.

--1959: U.S. trains Indian scientists in reprocessing, handling plutonium.

--1963: Two 210-megawatt boiling-water reactors are ordered for the Tarapur Atomic Power Station from General Electric. United States and India agree plutonium from India's reactors will not be used for research for atomic weapons or for military purposes.

--1964: First plutonium reprocessing plant operates at Trombay.

--1965: Chairman of India's AEC proposes subterranean nuclear explosion project. China, one of five declared nuclear states, detonates first atomic explosive device. U.S. withdraws military aid from India after the India-Pakistan War.

--1966: India declares it can produce nuclear weapons within 18 months.

--1968: Non-Proliferation Treaty completed. India refuses to sign.

--1969: France agrees to help India develop breeder reactors.

--1974: India tests a device of up to 15 kilotons and calls the test a ``peaceful nuclear explosion.'' Canada suspends nuclear cooperation. The United States allows continued supply of nuclear fuel, but later cuts it off.

--1976: Soviet Union assumes role of India's main supplier of heavy water. Canada formally halts nuclear cooperation.

--Early 1980s: India acquires and develops centrifuge technology, builds uranium enrichment plants at Trombay and Mysore.

--1991: India enters agreement with Pakistan prohibiting attacks on each other's nuclear installations, a measure to ease tensions.

--1992: Rare Metals Plant at Mysore begins producing enriched uranium. Nuclear Suppliers Group, organization of nations with nuclear materials, stops supplying India.

--1997: India announces development of supercomputer technology that can be used to test nuclear-weapon designs. Fuel reprocessing plant at Kalpakkam, a large-scale plutonium separation facility, completes ``cold commissioning'' in last phase of pre-operating trials.

--1998: India announces plans to sign deal with Russia for two 1,000 megawatt nuclear reactors.

--May 11-13: India conducts five underground nuclear tests, declares itself a nuclear state.

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Pakistan

--1972: Following its third war with India, Pakistan secretly decides to start nuclear weapons program to match India's developing capability. Canada supplies reactor for the Karachi Nuclear Power Plant, heavy water and heavy-water production facility.

--1974: Western suppliers embargo nuclear exports to Pakistan after India's first test of a nuclear device.

--1975: Purchasing of components and technology for Kahuta uranium-enrichment centrifuge facility begins after return of Dr. Abdul Qadeer Khan, German-trained metallurgist who takes over nuclear program.

--1976: Canada stops supplying nuclear fuel for Karachi.

--1977: German seller provides vacuum pumps, equipment for uranium enrichment. Britain sells Pakistan 30 high-frequency inverters for controlling centrifuge speeds. United States halts economic and military aid over Pakistan's nuclear-weapons program.

--1978: France cancels deal to supply plutonium reprocessing plant at Chasma.

--1979: United States imposes economic sanctions after Pakistan is caught importing equipment for uranium enrichment plant at Kahuta.

--1981: Smuggler arrested at U.S. airport while attempting to ship two tons of zirconium to Pakistan. Nevertheless, Reagan administration lifts sanctions and begins generous military and financial aid because of Pakistani help to Afghan rebels battling Soviets.

--1983: China reportedly supplies Pakistan with bomb design. U.S. intelligence believes Pakistani centrifuge program intended to produce material for nuclear weapons.

--1985: Congress passes Pressler amendment, requiring economic sanctions unless White House certifies that Pakistan is not embarked on nuclear weapons program. Islamabad is certified every year until 1990.

--1986: Pakistan, China sign pact on peaceful use of nuclear energy, including design, construction, operation of reactors.

--1987: Pakistan acquires tritium purification and production facility from West Germany.

--1989: A 27-kilowatt research reactor is built with Chinese help and comes under international monitoring.

--1990: Fearing new war with India, Pakistan makes cores for several nuclear weapons. Bush administration, under Pressler amendment, imposes economic, military sanctions against Pakistan.

--1991: Pakistan puts ceiling on size of its weapons-grade uranium stockpile. It enters into agreement with India, prohibiting the two states from attacking each other's nuclear installations.

--1993: Report by the Stockholm International Peace and Research Institute says about 14,000 uranium-enrichment centrifuges installed in Pakistan. German customs officials seize about 1,000 gas centrifuges bound for Pakistan.

--1996: Pakistan buys 5,000 ring magnets from China to be used in gas centrifuges for uranium enrichment. China tells U.S. government it will stop helping Pakistan's unsafeguarded nuclear facilities. Islamabad completes 40-megawatt heavy-water reactor that, once operational, could provide the first source of plutonium-bearing spent fuel free from international inspections.

--1998: Reacting to fresh nuclear testing by India, Pakistan conducts its own atomic explosions.

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Sources:

Center for Nonproliferation Studies at the Monterey Institute of International Studies, Calif.; Carnegie Endowment for International Peace; Non-Proliferation Policy Education Center.




oh yeah while yer at it... look at the following:

info link

 

[xyyz]

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<< BTW...don't we have any bloody pakis here that will stick for their country... or are all of you pussies and do I need to defend Pakistan? >>



Defend Pakistan? What for? When was the last time you heard about some miltant Hindu suicide squad shooting up the Pakistani parliament (or military HQ, or whatever passes for seat of government there)?

-j >>



actually you hear about the attrocities commited by the Indian military and para-military forces against the people of Kashmir... go look at amnesty international's site and other HR groups... and these horrific acts occur very often.

as a matter of fact there some sort of law passed that gives indian forces in kashmir impunity in all their actions.... and they do take full advantage of if these freedoms.

factor this into your reasons as to why the Indian parliment was attacked.

 

[lawaris]

<< please get a hold of General Zinni's report detailing who has the more advanced arsenal >>



Now .......................who the fu*k is he ???

And how come he knows so much ???

 

[lawaris]

<< factor this into your reasons as to why the Indian parliment was attacked. >>



It's the same argument which was forwarded for NY being bombed.:|

I hate all ignorant , self-smug bastar*ds like u...........

 

[xyyz]

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<< please get a hold of General Zinni's report detailing who has the more advanced arsenal >>



Now .......................who the fu*k is he ???

And how come he knows so much ??? >>




I swear dealing with you is like dealing with a f-in' first grader... you don't know S-.

I covered who Anthony Zinni was in the last thread you posted. Go refer to that.

 

[xyyz]

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<< factor this into your reasons as to why the Indian parliment was attacked. >>



It's the same argument which was forwarded for NY being bombed.:|

I hate all ignorant , self-smug bastar*ds like u........... >>



you call *ME* ignorant... man someone needs a reality check.

you stupid jack-off... there's no comparison.

first of all... the US never attacked anyone directly... whereas the government of India constantly commits HR attrocities directly against the Kashmiri people.

second, these terrorist attacked a civilian target in NY... whereas these people attacked a government target.

finally, these people have people have a qualm with the indian government a government that directly assults Kashmiris... they didn't go attack another country that has no direct involvement in the conflict.

 

[BlueApple]

<< Who cares? Theyve never not been at hostilities, declared or otherwise. >>


I hope that was some type of sick joke.

Here is what both sides are doing. They both have cut embassy staff for their own country and the others country. Both have mid and short-range ballistic missiles at the boarder and this is this biggest Pakistani movement of troops in over 30 years, even more then when the two countries were last at war, which was in 71.

One and another sites that are very resourceful on the issue.

 

[zzzz]

<< first of all... the US never attacked anyone directly... whereas the government of India constantly commits HR attrocities directly against the Kashmiri people. >>


And this justifies pakistans support( money, training camps etc) ?

 

[oslama]

here are some interesting links to the fullscope of what is involved if war broke out

indian arsenal


pakistan arsenal

 

[tecumseh]

"<< first of all... the US never attacked anyone directly... whereas the government of India constantly commits HR attrocities directly against the Kashmiri people. >>"

The U.S.A. never attacked anyone directly??? Hmmm..... THEN WHAT DO YOU CALL OVER A MILLION DEAD NATIVE AMERICAN VICTIMS!!!! America has participtated in some of the most heinous acts against man kind that the world has ever seen, and it all started in the 1600's. Yea, I know that it was a long time ago, but America still needs to be held accountable!!!

We still don't even have a Native American day

:|:|:|:|:|:|:|

 

[NewCompGeek]

i hope that it doesnt happen when im in the army or at all

 

[BlueApple]

tecumseh made a good point in his/her last post. The US supports any r&eacute;gime that will help them right at the moment but 10-15 years down the road it comes back and stabs us in the back. Some of the worlds most backwards, repressive systems just for a quick fix to a problem. Then you have that whole thing where he killed 4.5 Native Americans.

 

[SmackdownHotel]

I wonder if maybe the media is making a bigger deal out of it than it really is.

 

[Justin218]

I read an article about each country's nuclear program a few months ago. I'm pretty sure each country has fairly decent missile delivery systems. No ICBMs or anything, but I believe India's better nukes have about a 1500-2000 range, and pakistan's about 1000-1500. These are their best though, and they have many other with a much lower range. It was scientific american. Read it at the school's library. So I wouldn't ssay they're going to send them in with wheel barrows 😛 All in all I think India had the better program.

 

[CichliSuite]

Xyyz personal attacks are getting very vicious. I wonder how often he has to defend Pakistan. 🙂

 

[HombrePequeno]

tecumseh, do you ever stop bitching aboot that? It happened over a hundred years ago. Yeah it's sad but, christ, get over it.

 

[syzygy]

wha really sucks is the fact that general musharraf has always favored the islamic terrorist groups that have operated
in kashmir. he has emboldened them to assume the lead in their fight against supposed indian occupation using the
same tactics of attrition that have been employed by a number of other terrorist groups in south asia and the middle
east.

he has refused on many occasions in the past to label them 'terrorists', drawing a sharp and unequivocal distinction
between those forces operating in and out of kashmir and jammu, and those who were lending covert support to
the pashtun forces in afghanistan. one had the impramitur of the pakistani state, the other did not. one received
direct funding, the other was cast off. now he is being forced to renege on his pledges to these freedom fighters
at the behest of the united states, whose economic support and reestablished friendship he sorely needs to
keep.

 

[PowerMac4Ever]

Damn! With all that's been going on with Afghanistan and the Middle East, I forgot whose side I was on in the India-Pakistan issue. Hmm, I think it was India. Yeah... that sounds about right.

 

[chuckieland]

and some people thing war on Afghanistan is going to lead to wwIII
but who know, india-parkistan war may be the trigger to WWIII
since both side have alot more ally compare to afghanistan