Uh oh...bye bye Saddam

[Chipster]

<< after saddam, is bush going to go after kim jung il as well? the chairman of north korea? >>



I can't answer that but........North Korea is the one selling modern weapons to some Middle Eastern countries and some military experts say that in several years from now,N.Korea will have the technolgy to reach the East coast of the United States with one of there missiles.
Kind of scary if you ask me.

 

[conjur]

I wonder who has Colin Powell's mouth taped shut? He's the one who persuaded Bush, Sr. to stop.

 

[vital]

what happend to osama bin ladin?

 

[UltraQuiet]

<< I wonder who has Colin Powell's mouth taped shut? He's the one who persuaded Bush, Sr. to stop. >>


Yeah OK. Time for you to review your history book. Congress clearly mandated what the mission was . They wanted him out of Kuwait and that was it. The UN and the middle eastern countries (mainly Saudi Arabia) also made it clear that they would not support anything further. That is what kept us out , not Colin Powell.

 

[Random Variable]

The former head of Iraq's nuclear weapon's program was on Hardball earlier today, and he was saying that it would be a grave mistake not to remove Saddam from power as quickly as possible.

 

[XMan]

I could have sworn Charlie Sheen already took out Saddam . . . dropped a big bomb, right in his lap.

 

[swayinOtis]

<< go to hell Bush. You will pay for this some day. >>



are you a moron or a retard?

 

[Passions]

Let the warhawk's have their field day, WAHOOOO!

 

[SuperTool]

I think if we lifted sanctions, Iraq would cooperate under threat of reimposition. But, It's not going to happen, because US has demonized Saddam so much, it's almost impossible for them to negotiate with him. So instead of this turning into another Cuba, another US foreign policy folly, we should go in and take him out. It's really unfair to have sanctions in place on the Iraqi people without making attempt to either deal with Saddam or take him out.
Strategically, removing Saddam is not going to be very useful to us, because without threat of Saddam, there is no reason for Saudis and Kuwaitis to be nice to us, and if there is a new government in Iraq they will rejoin OPEC and basically we'll lose a source of oil that we now control under sanctions regime. With Iraq a free player on the oil market, they will be more likely to try to manipulate the oil prices.

Also, I hope Americans appreciate what the Russians are doing for us by keeping supplies flowing and keeping down the oil prices, which is a great simulus for the economy. They could be profiteering with OPEC

 

[b0mbrman]

<< I think if we lifted sanctions, Iraq would cooperate under threat of reimposition. But, It's not going to happen, because US has demonized Saddam so much, it's almost impossible for them to negotiate with him. So instead of this turning into another Cuba, another US foreign policy folly, we should go in and take him out. It's really unfair to have sanctions in place on the Iraqi people without making attempt to either deal with Saddam or take him out. >>



I think we should send them all leaflets saying that if Saddam were to allow weapons inspectors in, the sanctions would stop...

 

[Random Variable]

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<< I think if we lifted sanctions, Iraq would cooperate under threat of reimposition. But, It's not going to happen, because US has demonized Saddam so much, it's almost impossible for them to negotiate with him. So instead of this turning into another Cuba, another US foreign policy folly, we should go in and take him out. It's really unfair to have sanctions in place on the Iraqi people without making attempt to either deal with Saddam or take him out. >>



I think we should send them all leaflets saying that if Saddam were to allow weapons inspectors in, the sanctions would stop... >>


But that most likely would not cause an uprising or anything because the population is deathly afraid of Saddam.

 

[SuperTool]

<< I think we should send them all leaflets saying that if Saddam were to allow weapons inspectors in, the sanctions would stop... >>


I think Saddam would take this in a heartbeat.
But that's not what US policy is. We want Iraq to let inspectors in without lifting sanctions.

 

[WA261]

<< go to hell Bush. You will pay for this some day. >>




This as*hole should be banned.....can we take a vote on it???? please??!!!!

 

[AmigaMan]

isn't there some US policy of not assinating foreign leaders? I thought we were prohibited from doing that, either by the Constitution or some other legal document. I just remember hearing it somewhere and wasn't sure if it was true or not.

 

[MadRat]

You all that think the U.S. wouldn't are naive. We have over 100k troops in Kuwait and northern Saudi Arabia, another 15k in Turkey. There has been a persistent, but quiet, buildup of forces in and around Kuwait this past six months. One of the tricks they are using is giving soldiers and airmen "short tours" but then telling them there is nobody to replace them so they have to stay another short tour. Ask around, this isn't exactly secret among the military.

 

[WA261]

news today said we have 200k troops in that region..ready.....yeah they have 400k, but it wont matter....we will wipe them out anyway..

 

[railer]

Tobeme:

Just because you were 'there' doesn't mean jack. Were you Norman's towel boy or something? I do remember reading that Norm was in favor of a march on Baghdad, but to say that this is Clinton's fault, or the UN's, is absurd. There were many many many people who thought that a march on Baghdad was a bad idea at the time. It WAS a bad idea at the time. It's so easly to look back at events from over a decade ago and try to cast blame....

 

[flavio]

So what are the chances that this helps out Bush's oil buddies?

 

[Nil]

<< The same story is posted on yahoo around the top of their news...still waiting on cnn tho >>



Its on FoxNews now, not that thats any more reliable

 

[SaltBoy]

As of right now, his mustache is still intact.

WON'T SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN?!

 

[ToBeMe]

<< Tobeme:

Just because you were 'there' doesn't mean jack. Were you Norman's towel boy or something? I do remember reading that Norm was in favor of a march on Baghdad, but to say that this is Clinton's fault, or the UN's, is absurd. There were many many many people who thought that a march on Baghdad was a bad idea at the time. It WAS a bad idea at the time. It's so easly to look back at events from over a decade ago and try to cast blame.... >>


#1.........where the h3ll do you get off with a comment like that???????

I never once said it was Clinton's fault and defy you to find a post where I did!!!!:| I commented that it WAS NOT Bush Sr. whom made the decsion for us not to proceed and that he and Schwarzkopf were the ones whom wanted to, but, the U.N and several other countries were against it! READ MY DAMNED POSTS NEXT TIME!! I also never said that I thought it was "right" or "wrong" that we didn't! At the time, and under the circumstances, I DID feel as though we should have, but, on a broader scope, and after some time I realized, our objectives had been met so any further action would have been against the initial agreement! Hell......I never laid "blame" on any particular person or entity.......

Perhaps you would do good to heed your own words and not cast blame ESPECIALLY misplaced and incorrect blame!! As for your insinuation, my first thought was to counter............but, after I realized you had no idea what you were talking about..........I figured your own words looked stupid enough!:Q

 

[MadRat]

<<news today said we have 200k troops in that region..ready.....yeah they have 400k, but it wont matter....>>

Well, 200k troops is a far cry from the 115k I pointed out. Either they really have done a good job in concealing recent movements, or they include the troops in Turkey, Afghanistan, Egypt, and the rest of Saudi Arabia. Its pretty tough to conceal an influx of 80k troops into a region, let alone a single division.

The 400k troops in the Iraq figures include paramilitary groups and police forces. They are down almost 70% from pre-Desert Storm figures as far as those totals go. The embargo has really taken its toll on Saddam, whether Bush wants you to know it or not.

Iraq is pretty crippled as far as having an offensive force. But never count out how clever the motivated defender can be, especially defenders that are dressed as normal civilians. Luckily, the Iraqis harbor stronger feelings against Saddam then the Uinted States. Not many would oppose if Bush deposed him.

As far as breaking any laws, they would not. It was an "Executive Order" that forbid killing foreign officials, not a law. The U.S. is officially at war with Iraq right now. This has never ceased since it was declared, rather a cease-fire has existed. This gives the president some broad options with the military as far as taking out Saddam.

 

[AmigaMan]

<< The U.S. is officially at war with Iraq right now. >>


I don't think we're at 'war' with anyone. It takes an act of Congress to declare war on a country.

 

[Yzzim]

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<< ToBeMe:

Why don't you check your facts. The fact is that Bush Sr. let him go. You can carve it up anyway you like it, the fact is they let him go. >>


OH.......I see.....I guess you would know better............nevermind the fact that I WAS THERE!!!!:| My facts ARE correct kiddo'......you go check it out........ The reason it is constantly refferred to as Bush Sr.'s unresolved problem is because he and Schwarzkopf WANTED to proceed into Baghdad but was not permitted!!!! >>


Ok, to be honest I was like 12 when Desert Storm took place so I can't remember everything that happened. However, I do remember an interview that Bush Sr. did about 5 years ago where he said that he wished he would have gone into Baghdad. The reason he didn't was because the objective was complete. Iraq was out of Kuwait and no longer had the ability to attack them. I can't remember what his famous words were to Congress though....something like "The aggressor is stopped, the war is over."
Also, I remember seeing Dick Cheney on Meet the Press a couple days after the war ended. He said that he was afraid to think about what the world would be like with Saddam in power in 5 to 10 years. Well, that future is now upon us and it doesn't look too good.

 

[jamison]

<< go to hell Bush. You will pay for this some day. >>



Are you an American? If so, I feel sorry for you.