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Ugh - hardcore religious club at my school may be suing a teacher!!

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We've got this thing at my school called Diversity Week, where we have panel discussions during lunch and two big all-school assemblies (one on Monday, one on Friday) next week. Wednesday is sexual orientation day, and the Pioneers for Christ (my school is called Pioneer High School) want to speak at the panel discussion about how gays, lesbians, and bisexuals are going to hell. The administration originally said no, because those would be "fighting words" (a constitutional free speech term...I know it from A.P. Government).

It REALLY infuriates me that our school is noble and proud enough to have a Diversity Week and people in our school have enough courage to stand up and talk to about 200 of their peers about being gay or lesbian, but then the Christian club has the nerve to say that they want time to tell those people they're going to hell.

THAT'S NOT DIVERSITY!! If the Pioneers for Christ want a part in Diversity Week, they should speak during the religion forum about what THEY believe in - they should NOT denounce other people's beliefs and replace them with their own. That's not diversity - thats bigotry.

Anyway, the faculty adviser for diversity week told the PFC that they couldn't talk at the sexual orientation panel, so the Pioneers for Christ have threatened to sue her. The group has been talking to a lawyer for the past couple days. As of right now, the sexual orientation panel is cancelled for Wednesday, and there will simply be a gay pride rally at lunch at the flagpole.

This isn't what Diversity Week was meant to be - we're supposed to EMBRACE other cultures and lifestyles. Things like this just make me sick.

Mike
 


<< This isn't what Diversity Week was meant to be - we're supposed to EMBRACE other cultures and lifestyles. >>



Except for Christians, Muslims, Klansmen, and anyone else you don't agree with, right?
 


<< This isn't what Diversity Week was meant to be - we're supposed to EMBRACE other cultures and lifestyles. >>



Wrong. We're supposed to TOLERATE other cultures and lifestyles that conflict with our own, there is not a requisite necessity to embrace them. In addition, that tolerance presumes that the culture/lifestyle in question is one which is legal and morally acceptable in the larger confines of OUR society. For example, if in your culture you practice human sacrifice, we have no obligation whatsoever to either respect or embrace it.

For love of pete, i wish the schools would stop indoctrinating kids with a completely empty moral relativism way of looking at the world.
 


<< This isn't what Diversity Week was meant to be - we're supposed to EMBRACE other cultures and lifestyles.
Except for Christians, Muslims, Klansmen, and anyone else you don't agree with, right? >>



I would be very interested to hear about the Christian way of life and their views...but IN THEIR OWN TIME - they shouldn't use the sexual orientation forum to bash the views of those it was set up to help.

I'm white and jewish. I will not get up in front of the race panel discussion and say that African-American people are horrible people, or that Arabs are causing our war in the Middle East and that they're all bad people. That's wrong, and that's what the Pioneers for Christ are doing!!

Like I've said - Diversity Week is a week to LEARN about other cultures, not to embrace your own and denounce all others. If you think it's wrong to be gay, then fine, I'll fight to defend your right to free speech. But I won't defend PFC if they want to shoot down ALL other views as wrong, and say that their opinions are the only correct ones.
 
Oh yes, let's celebrate diversity as long as we don't point out that people may actually have different views on issues.

If one group gets to tell a bunch of high schoolers that homosexuality is a legitimate alternative lifestyle, why shouldn't another group who represents a traditional religious view be able to speak their piece?
 


<< Wrong. We're supposed to TOLERATE other cultures and lifestyles that conflict with our own, there is not a requisite necessity to embrace them. In addition, that tolerance presumes that the culture/lifestyle in question is one which is legal and morally acceptable in the larger confines of OUR society. For example, if in your culture you practice human sacrifice, we have no obligation whatsoever to either respect or embrace it. >>


I would agree with that.
 


<< Oh yes, let's celebrate diversity as long as we don't point out that people may actually have different views on issues.
If one group gets to tell a bunch of high schoolers that homosexuality is a legitimate alternative lifestyle, why shouldn't another group who represents a traditional religious view be able to speak their piece? >>



if they were only representing heterosexuality, i doubt this would be an issue. however, i think the school draws the line at telling other people they're going to go to hell. it's not like the gays are telling the straights they're going to hell. the gays are saying they're gay. if straight people want to say they're straight, great.
 
Those sound like fightin' words to me! 😉



<< They have no case. There is no such thing as free speech in schools >>


Hey, I agree. That's how I remember public school.
 
If they can prove they area sexual minority and thus are diverse they can speak about their own orientation. All other groups speaking fit that criteria and reserve their comments to their own group. That's pretty much the basis of the talks, and it's not crimping freedom of speech if everybody has to fit fair standards. If they want to talk about their own orientation, fine, but nobody else is commenting on anybody else's, why should they?
 
JuMpR629, that's a nice cop out since it was YOUR GOD who said that men shouldn't ah heck other men. He never condemned anyone because of their race or color... it was ACTION that brought judgment.
 
well, if they sue (which i doubt), you can always dress up as the devil and tell them that *they're* going to hell 😀
 


<< JuMpR629, that's a nice cop out since it was YOUR GOD who said that men shouldn't ah heck other men. He never condemned anyone because of their race or color... it was ACTION that brought judgment. >>



just because you're gay doesn't mean you're getting some...
 
i'm an atheist, who sees nothing wrong with gay people. but the school deserves to be sued if it tries to keep some people out of this diversity week. there are a whole hell of alot of people that have the same crazy beliefs. i doubt they barred muslims who treat women like second class citizens.


 
I'm a Christian that doesn't see anything wrong with gay people. Is it sinning? Yes. Do I think they will go to Hell for it? No. Everyone sins, and if you are a Christian you should know that you don't necessarily go to Hell for it. I don't understand where all this righteous judgementalism has come from in the Christian community (wait, yes I do, it's from people insecure in their own faith having to put others down so they feel better about themselves spiritually). What happened to 'judge not, lest ye be judged' and 'let he who is without sin cast the first stone'?
 


<< i'm an atheist, who sees nothing wrong with gay people. but the school deserves to be sued if it tries to keep some people out of this diversity week. there are a whole hell of alot of people that have the same crazy beliefs. i doubt they barred muslims who treat women like second class citizens. >>



Frankly anyone who has attended a public school in the last 50 years should know that there is NO freedom of speech in ANY public school in america. The supreme court ruled a long time ago that any speech that disrupts the learning process can be banned from public schools.

Second, this the issue lies with wether a religious opinion is appropriate in a learning forum devoted to sexuality. If the christians want to get up and talk about their own sexuality, not others than it should be ok under the guidlines that have been presented here. As the original poster mentioned if the group wants to talk about their religion they should be doing it during the religious discusssion, otherwise they are disrupting the learning process.
 
I wish public schools would stop trying to push the gay and liberal agendas down their student's throats, which is nothing less than brainwashing. How often to schools show the conservative viewpoints to their students?

It would be best of they stuck to the basic studies and didn't have so many "organizations" and other crap in the schools.
 
i say TO HELL with the whole diversity week, it saves you lotsa trouble. And if you want it anyway, you should let everyone speak out. Hell i'd get up there and speak how nice its to be heterosexual, just to fill in space
 
on a side note... why do people have a problem with other people going to hell? i mean, you have these pioneers for christ getting all up in arms because they want to be able to tell the gays that they're going to hell... but i think the gays have already heard that stuff. so it's not like it's new... so what is the purpose? since when did somebody else's soul become your business?

same thing goes for all those terrorist people, who want to blow us up because we're infidels. what kind of retarded logic is that? so we're infidels, we're going to hell, right? why all the hatred? why the pressing need to send us to hell even faster? we'll get what's coming, theoretically, right?

btw, this is why i love the jews.... because they don't feel the need to remind other people they're going to hell.
 
Actually after just seeing little nicky I must say hell does not seem all that bad....except if I were Hitler I would hate having all those pineapples shoved up my ass
 
The debate shouldn't be whether or not the religious group should be heard. The debate should be whether or not Diversity Week serves a useful purpose. If you establish in no uncertain terms what behaviour is and is not appropriate, you have done your job as an administrator. You should not force kids to like each other whatever their differences. You should create a non-hostile environment where kids can learn history, math, literature, etc...
 


<< I'm a Christian that doesn't see anything wrong with gay people. Is it sinning? Yes. Do I think they will go to Hell for it? No. >>


you may want to invest in a Bible. If you have one, you may want to try reading it.
1 Cor 6:


<< 9 Don't you know that those who do wrong will have no share in the Kingdom of God? Don't fool yourselves. Those who indulge in sexual sin, who are idol worshipers, adulterers, male prostitutes, homosexuals, 10 thieves, greedy people, drunkards, abusers, and swindlers ? none of these will have a share in the Kingdom of God. >>

 
Have you actually asked them what they intended to say and they responded "we are going to say they are going to hell"? Otherwise, I think you should really think what the diversity week you are heralding is all about.
 
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