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The problem with martial arts that there is a lot of mcdojos. You know the places that charges your little kid or yourself for a dam stripe on your belt. That is what is useless. They never encourage "real" sparring, so when you actually get into confrontation, you end up the ground and crying for mommy. These McDojos are there to make money.


I wouldn't say "real" martial arts is useless, you have to take the good of and each and combine them with other non traditional martial arts like BJJ, muay thai, san shou. Even wrestlers become cock roaches when they get put on their back. So guys like Randy Couture, Lindland, Dan Henderson, Matt Hughes, etc use their wrestling skills, with boxing, jiu-jitsu and some muay thai to win their fights.

Look at Mirko Cro Cop, an experience K-1 kick boxer. He adapted his ground game and sprawl to avoid a shoot by wrestler and look for a shot with his devasting round house kick.


...also a little bit of luck and solid chin does help also. Jehovah, I know you're good guy, lighten up. Just state your opinion, and no need to jump on other memebers like that.

remember UFC/Pride/K-1/Shooto/ROTR/etc are all sporting events with rules. In real fight, if you're kicking some guys ass there is nothing stoping his buddies from kicking your ass afterwards. Its better to avoid confrontations.
 
I think evidence of grappling's advantage over conventional marital arts can be seen in military training, which is basically applied martial arts. There really isn't that much of a focus on jumps and kicks and more on grappling and using someone else's weight against them. Although i dont speak from experience thought. anyone currently in the service care to justify?
 
Originally posted by: ViperXX
so you fought a kung fu master? i mean, since you know and all....
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No, but I imagine with a few years of training and conditioning I could.
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Actually Shaolin Kung Fu involves alot of grappling so I doubt "a few years" would do anything.
 
Originally posted by: OulOat
As real as it gets
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Hm, with that motto, I wonder why UFC rules forbid eye gouging, throat strikes, crotch shots, etc ... could it be only entertainers perform in UFC?
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It was lose its sanctioning by the Nevada Atheltic State Commission and thus pretty much cease to exists. Early UFC allowed croutch shots and different weight classes. It was near death until Zuffa and Dana White took over and made it more "accepted" by the main stream audience.

I think probably Vale Tudo in Brazil is pretty much close to "anything goes".
 
Actually Shaolin Kung Fu involves alot of grappling so I doubt "a few years" would do anything.
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So that makes it superior?

Why?

My opinion- It doesn't. You've watched to many movies. Watch UCF and you'll see the superior technique. It's not Kung Fu that wins. It's Wrestlers. Why because they apply the pain. Joint and muscle holds that apply enough pain to make you give up.
 
Originally posted by: Jehovah
Originally posted by: jEct2
Originally posted by: Jehovah
Oh, so you're fully trained in all those styles? :roll:
Or not, it's nice that you've managed to come to such a grand conclusion of selflessly sitting your ass in front of a tv all day. Dumbass.

I'm *sure* when you included "karate, Kungfu, Juijitsu", that there's multiple styles within each category as well. And why was Juijitsu mentioned there? BJJ anyone? Brazilian Jujitsu?
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Who pissed in your cereal this morning? I said it is just my observation, why do you think I started the thread for? It's meant for a discussion. No need to get your PMS rolling.
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No noe pissed in my cereal, it's just idiots who have no idea about what they're spewing from their mouth bother me a bit. They should learn to discern their ass from their mouth sometimes.
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No he's right, you're being a dickhead. It's a topic of discussion and you're getting your panties in a wad.

I agree with the OP though. Watch any number of UFC matches, and the wrestling oriented fighter usually wins out over the karate-esque trained fighter.
 
Originally posted by: ViperXX
Actually Shaolin Kung Fu involves alot of grappling so I doubt "a few years" would do anything.
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So that makes it superior?

Why?

My opinion- It doesn't. You've watched to many movies. Watch UCF and you'll see the superior technique. It's not Kung Fu that wins. It's Wrestlers. Why because they apply the pain. Joint and muscle holds that apply enough pain to make you give up.
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No, it's the fighters that are talented enough to combine grappling and striking blows.

Wrestling is not the end all that people think it is to fighting. These guys in Pride, etc use a combination of all the techniques, whether its immobilizing a person with grappling and then making repeated strikes to the face to knock a guy unconscious, or its landing a few kicks or punching that allow you to go in and use grappling to break a guys arm or dislocate a shoulder.
 
I've trained & practiced one form of martial arts or another for the good part of my life, I'm 35 right now. My opinion from personal experience is that, if two men (or women) are locked in a cage together, as this OP suggests (which is fvcking stupid, because 90% of martial arts are about NOT getting into physical confrontation). Then the person who will win is the one who trained harder.

The style is completely irrelevent. A wrestler may have an advantage over a "martial artist" when both are of mediocre skill level. But a person who has developed their skill, & I do not mean a black belt, etc...the belt ranking system hasn't meant anything for the past 30 years. But pure skill, will have learned to apply what they know by instinct. When the "wrestler" approaches for a grapple, and both of his knees are snapped, then he can try grabbing his opponent while flopping around in the dirt. If the wrestler has trained harder, he will take a shot or two & then choke the life out of the martial artist.

It's ridiculous to apply or diversify fighting styles. Whomever trains the most, and can apply that training without hesitation or remorse, will win. Plain & simple. All styles work, it's just a matter of who wants it the most.
 
Originally posted by: newbiepcuser
Originally posted by: OulOat
As real as it gets
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Hm, with that motto, I wonder why UFC rules forbid eye gouging, throat strikes, crotch shots, etc ... could it be only entertainers perform in UFC?
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It was lose its sanctioning by the Nevada Atheltic State Commission and thus pretty much cease to exists. Early UFC allowed croutch shots and different weight classes. It was near death until Zuffa and Dana White took over and made it more "accepted" by the main stream audience.

I think probably Vale Tudo in Brazil is pretty much close to "anything goes".
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I would like to see if wrestlers will still dominate if these rules weren't in place. You are basically asking for your opponent to gouge out your eyes or punch in your throat when you get that close.
 
Originally posted by: OulOat
Originally posted by: newbiepcuser
Originally posted by: OulOat
As real as it gets
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Hm, with that motto, I wonder why UFC rules forbid eye gouging, throat strikes, crotch shots, etc ... could it be only entertainers perform in UFC?
Click to expand...

It was lose its sanctioning by the Nevada Atheltic State Commission and thus pretty much cease to exists. Early UFC allowed croutch shots and different weight classes. It was near death until Zuffa and Dana White took over and made it more "accepted" by the main stream audience.

I think probably Vale Tudo in Brazil is pretty much close to "anything goes".
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I would like to see if wrestlers will still dominate if these rules weren't in place. You are basically asking for your opponent to gouge out your eyes or punch in your throat when you get that close.
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The wrestlers wouldn't. Like ktehmok said, if the gloves are off and there are no rules, its the person that wants it the most.
 
Originally posted by: Triumph
either way, real fighting is never as much fun to watch as Rocky or Bruce Lee.
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..hey don't forget Jet Li, Jackie Chan and now Stephen Chow from Shaolin Soccer and Kung Fu Hustle 😀
 
I stopped watching UFC more than ten years ago when Gracie & (sh|t, I can't remember his name) circled each other for 15 minutes, afraid to get into it because they were afraid of losing. WTF, if I wanted to see a p|_|ssy standoff, I would watch wrestling.

UFC is for morons who like P|ssing money away on PPV
 
And to answer the OPs question, martial arts is not pointless. In real life, if you ever get into trouble, your opponent would more than likely be armed. Ask yourself this, would you go and tackle a guy welding a knife?
 
Originally posted by: OulOat
And to answer the OPs question, martial arts is not pointless. In real life, if you ever get into trouble, your opponent would more than likely be armed. Ask yourself this, would you go and tackle a guy welding a knife?
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No, you'd draw your firearm that you're legally allowed to carry because you have a CCW permit 🙂
 
I've seen a few of those toughguy competitions and it's not always the grappler that wins. I've seen tkdists win those competitions and beat the **** out of grapplers, boxers and wrestlers.
 
Originally posted by: ktehmok
I've trained & practiced one form of martial arts or another for the good part of my life, I'm 35 right now. My opinion from personal experience is that, if two men (or women) are locked in a cage together, as this OP suggests (which is fvcking stupid, because 90% of martial arts are about NOT getting into physical confrontation). Then the person who will win is the one who trained harder.

The style is completely irrelevent. A wrestler may have an advantage over a "martial artist" when both are of mediocre skill level. But a person who has developed their skill, & I do not mean a black belt, etc...the belt ranking system hasn't meant anything for the past 30 years. But pure skill, will have learned to apply what they know by instinct. When the "wrestler" approaches for a grapple, and both of his knees are snapped, then he can try grabbing his opponent while flopping around in the dirt. If the wrestler has trained harder, he will take a shot or two & then choke the life out of the martial artist.

It's ridiculous to apply or diversify fighting styles. Whomever trains the most, and can apply that training without hesitation or remorse, will win. Plain & simple. All styles work, it's just a matter of who wants it the most.
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Yeap i agree.

I started wrestling (all styles) at the age of 6 and hap-ki-do at ~9.

it really dont matter what style you are trained in. It depends on how well you know your styel and how how hard you train.


 
MMA is constantly evolving. Once fighters figured out that the ground game was vital to winning, you began to see the emergence of the wrestlers, who began perfecting submissions and striking. Back when Royce Gracie won UFC 1,2, and 4, the fighters were too one dimensional. The strikers had no submissions (Hackney v. Yarborough), and the wrestlers had little striking ability (Severn v. Gracie). Then came the wrestler/striker, like Don Frye, Mark Coleman. Then we saw the prototype MMA fighter emerge, well schooled in all aspects of their game, like Vitor Belfort, who has amazing strikes (v. Silva @ Ultimate Brazil, v. Abbott), and submission grappling. Today's MMA fighter can't be a specialist, or they won't last (Possible exception to Liddell, he can fight different styles, but chooses to just knock people out).
 
It's not quite useless, two equal person one trained in karate & other nothing, the karate guy will win. When it comes to MMA though, it's a sport (like boxing) so you have to have all grounds covered. Pride > UFC. Chuck Liddell (UFC champ) got owned by Quintin Rampage Jackson but Wanderlai Silva owns Rampage. Vitor Belfort got owned in Pride too, he's losing a lot these days. My favorite matches were Sakuraba vs the Gracies & when he beat all of em.
 
No sh!t fighting is useless. NO matter how bad you beat him up, you'll be serving time in jail for assault/battery and a hefty lawsuit. WHEEEE
 
Originally posted by: Shlong
It's not quite useless, two equal person one trained in karate & other nothing, the karate guy will win. When it comes to MMA though, it's a sport (like boxing) so you have to have all grounds covered. Pride > UFC. Chuck Liddell (UFC champ) got owned by Quintin Rampage Jackson but Wanderlai Silva owns Rampage. Vitor Belfort got owned in Pride too, he's losing a lot these days. My favorite matches were Sakuraba vs the Gracies & when he beat all of em.
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Remember that Belfort owned Silva.
 
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