UFC Fight Night 26 on Fox Sports 1

[Druidx]

I think he means the Hall fight. It was more bromance than fight. Sportsmanship and respect are great, but not when it significantly interferes with what you are paid to do. And is carried to the extreme we saw from them.

To me that seems overly critical of the fight when you consider how many crappy fights have been on PPVs in the last year. The only reason the Hall fight may have seemed lack luster is because it’s compared to all the other great fights on the card. Although they both gassed by the end. I also think Dana is overly critical of Hall because the UFC had high hopes for him but it hasn’t worked out. They built the TUF season around Hall being the next big thing just to have him lose at the end.

 

[WaTaGuMp]

To me that seems overly critical of the fight when you consider how many crappy fights have been on PPVs in the last year. The only reason the Hall fight may have seemed lack luster is because it’s compared to all the other great fights on the card. Plus they both gassed by the end. I also think Dana is overly critical of Hall because the UFC had high hopes for him but it hasn’t worked out. They built the TUF season around Hall being the next big thing just to have him lose at the end.

Nothing over critical in any way shape or form, the fight sucked, Uriah hall sucks. Look at who he lost to in the final of TUF, where is that dude now? Like I said in this thread already, Uriah and the other dude looked like they wanted to fuck each other, not fight.

 

[Druidx]

Who knows, maybe I should watch the fight again. I do remember thinking it was stupid it was on the main card when it belonged on the prelims.

 

[Rudee]

Alistair doing some serious soul searching now.

 

[orenero]

I wasn't talking about Sonnen overall as a fighter but he has fought as a MW for a reason. I think most of the 10 ten LHW would give him problems. His game completely revolves around getting people down and man handling them, he will have more success at that in his normal weight class.

If you think I'm wrong, who at 205 do you see him beating?
1) Jon Jones - No
2) Gustafsson - No
3) Nogueria - Sonnen would have a hard time out grappling him.
4) Teixeria would probably out grapple Sonnen or knock him out
5) Davis - possible win but Davis is a bigger stronger wrestler.
6) Evans - A bigger stronger wrestler
7) Hendo - Would be a good fight but hendo is really a MW.
8) Machda would pick him apart from the outside, has good TD defense
9) Rua - win by tiring him out
10) Bader - Sonnen has a chance against him

At WM Sonnen is #3, not near that level at LHW

The only other person I can see Sonnen getting an easy win over at LHW would be Mousasi. King Mo showed Gregard has a problem dealing with someone who has a strong wrestling base. plus Gregard isn't a big strong LHW unlike everyone else besides Hendo and Machida. All three of them prorbaly belong at MW.

1. Gonna be tough yes, but he would soldier through it, IMO the last fight with JBJ was stopped prematurely but he was getting handed to him on the ground while pinned.

2. For sure he can beat him, he's not gonna submit Chael with that leg lock shite thats for sure, the only thing he would have to worry about is being triangled.

3 -6 ) I think You underestimate his wrestling but they would be good fights that he could win yes. Davis would not give him that much problems.

7. Agree

8. Lol Machida is garbage outside of his Karate game, he lost my respect when he got submitted by standing Guillotine by JBJ that was embarrassing. Chael would have no problem taking him down.

9-10) no Problem either.

 

[orenero]

Alistair doing some serious soul searching now.

The thing is he had the opportunity to finish him off he just gave him space... Go in for the damn kill!!!

 

[Druidx]

8. Lol Machida is garbage outside of his Karate game, he lost my respect when he got submitted by standing Guillotine by JBJ that was embarrassing. Chael would have no problem taking him down.

I see it just the opposite, I think Machida had the best showing so far against Jones. I don't know why anyone would complain about Machida getting submitted, it happens to everyone. I think Jones got a little angry over some of the shots Machida was able to land, which is why he just let Machida drop like a rag instead of letting him down the way most other fighters would have. Which explains why Jones coach had to tell him "Go check on Machida and get you some fans".

If it wasn't for his friend and team mate holding the MW belt, Machida would have dropped to MW a while ago and had more success. He has weighed in as light as 201 for a LW fight, I can't think of anyone else coming in that light for a fight at 205.

 

[orenero]

I see it just the opposite, I think Machida had the best showing so far against Jones. I don't know why anyone would complain about Machida getting submitted, it happens to everyone. I think Jones got a little angry over some of the shots Machida was able to land, which is why he just let Machida drop like a rag instead of letting him down the way most other fighters would have. Which explains why Jones coach had to tell him "Go check on Machida and get you some fans".

If it wasn't for his friend and team mate holding the MW belt, Machida would have dropped to MW a while ago and had more success. He has weighed in as light as 201 for a LW fight, I can't think of anyone else coming in that light for a fight at 205.

Best showing? The only thing best was showing how weak his basic grappling skills / submission escapes are. Yes everyone gets submitted but not like how he was submitted, guillotines happen yes but standing not so much. But we can argue this all day let the fighting do the talking.

 

[Druidx]

LOL, What did you expect Machida to do once JBJ got his arm wrapped around his neck like that, shit happens.
You complained about his poor sub defense but that was his first submission loss ever, an against the current champ.

 

[baydude]

Why does overeem get so damn careless? It wasn't as though that dude suddenly started whipping out front kicks. He was warning him with it like a few times and Overeem just stands there right in the path like it ain't gonna hurt.

Just like sonnen vs Silva, losses like these are upsetting.

 

[OCGuy]

Sonnen getting to use Testosterone probably helped him when Rua tried to throw him down, but Chael spun him around to counter. He was manhandled by pure strength in that moment.

I think Sonnen would have won without the TRT, but I still think they made a mistake by allowing it in the sport.

 

[kinev]

I kind of wish Woosta "Shogun Emelianenko" was still here to see his opinion of his #2 man crush getting sub'd by Sonnen...

 

[QueBert]

The thing is he had the opportunity to finish him off he just gave him space... Go in for the damn kill!!!

He did go in for the kill, which resulted in him blowing his load and getting KO'ed a minute later. it's absolutely crazy how shitty his striking defense is. Travis threw the front kick like 5 times in 1 minute and was still able to catch him.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

I see it just the opposite, I think Machida had the best showing so far against Jones. I don't know why anyone would complain about Machida getting submitted, it happens to everyone. I think Jones got a little angry over some of the shots Machida was able to land, which is why he just let Machida drop like a rag instead of letting him down the way most other fighters would have. Which explains why Jones coach had to tell him "Go check on Machida and get you some fans".

If it wasn't for his friend and team mate holding the MW belt, Machida would have dropped to MW a while ago and had more success. He has weighed in as light as 201 for a LW fight, I can't think of anyone else coming in that light for a fight at 205.

I agree except, I think Rashad had the best showing against Bones. Loyto had the best single round.

I think Dragon stops Chael inside of 3 if they fight. His TDD and counter punching, combined with his ashi and tai sabaki are tailor made for beating wrestlers like Sonnen. Mostly due to the fact that when you have nothing for Lyoto on the feet, he will make you pay for shooting. Counter knees and his Sumo background make him a hard fight for guys as one dimensional as Chael is.

As to the standing guillotine: Being tall with long arms helps. And don't forget Bones subbed Rampage and Vitor, also rarities. He is just that good. Fighting is about matchups; Shogun was a great one for Chael, so is Wanderlei. Machida otoh is a horrible matchup for him.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

He did go in for the kill, which resulted in him blowing his load and getting KO'ed a minute later. it's absolutely crazy how shitty his striking defense is. Travis threw the front kick like 5 times in 1 minute and was still able to catch him.

Despite the legion of fans, and their unrealistic appraisal of Reem's MMA ability. There have been many that pointed out his failings. His small gas tank, weak chin, and his tendency to wilt under pressure.

And MMA gloves are much less bulky than boxing style ones. Shots he would smother or parry with the bigger gloves, get through wearing MMA style. This was also pointed out many times, but fell on deaf ears. Even Reem seems to have bought into his K1 hype. He looks disdainful of his opponents striking lately. Right up to the point where he gets put to sleep. :awe:

 

[OCNewbie]

As to the standing guillotine: Being tall with long arms helps.

Exactly what I was thinking (though I didn't consider the arm length).

 

[Druidx]

I would actually like to see Sonnen vs. Machida, preferably at MW because Sonnens style of pushing forward would make it interesting. more so than most other fighters. A lot of people dislike Machida due to his style but I've always enjoyed watching to see how well he could counter people. Unfortunately the way he point fights doesn't work well with MMA judging, his decision losses are his own fault. It must be hard to change up the way you have trained to fight your whole life.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Exactly what I was thinking (though I didn't consider the arm length).

Being 6'5" with 79" wingspan myself, I prefer it to jumping guard. When not starting the roll knee wrestling that is (most of the time unfortunately) I don't give up position, and can lift a smaller guy up so that his leverage is shot. His weight makes it tighter too. It is even more brutal in gi if you can get the cross collar grip.

 

[Druidx]

The Reem knockout was surprising, Brown seemd to be throwing that kick just to keep Reem off of him. Brown just keep flicking his leg out without much snap but it dropped Reem anyway.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

I would actually like to see Sonnen vs. Machida, preferably at MW because Sonnens style of pushing forward would make it interesting. more so than most other fighters. A lot of people dislike Machida due to his style but I've always enjoyed watching to see how well he could counter people. Unfortunately the way he point fights doesn't work well with MMA judging, his decision losses are his own fault. It must be hard to change up the way you have trained to fight your whole life.

Well, he is really only one bad decision down in the scheme of things, given the first Shogun fight. And the promotion seldom holds a shady decision against a popular fighter.

And since more than half of his wins are by stoppage, no reason to change his approach. Maybe try to work in a TD more often since the judges have a hard on for them.