UFC 203 - Miocic vs Overeem

[SAWYER]

 

[norseamd]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...-one-of-the-grossest-weirdest-mma-fights-ever

 

[norseamd]

Was hoping Overeem would win. Didn't really care before, but we both stayed in the same hotel for like 3 weeks last month, hung out at the pool, played poker, seemed really nice. Had a hard time imagining him fighting, just seemed so docile. Sometimes the fights just end with a hit though, sucks.

PRROOOFFFF!!!!!

 

[smackababy]

You called them both amateurs. I think it was over when he stepped in the ring. Punk looked terrible in the training video, while Gall looked like a legitimate ufc quality fighter in his two pro fights. Hilarious calling out Northcutt, but it's true, he's overhyped. I didn't realize they were in the same weight class.

Gall also looks like an amateur. Now, he happens to have legitimate wrestling experience and real MMA experience, unlike Punk. Punk looked like he didn't know what to do once he was taken down, and he likely doesn't, but that is something that only comes with rolling for years.

I did want Punk to win, because it would have been hilarious to see all the UFC guys cry about it.

The real story is how shit Faber looked. That guy is done.

 

[smackababy]

UFC payouts:

Main Card (Pay-per-view)
Stipe Miocic ($600,000 + no win bonus = $600,000) def. Alistair Overeem ($800,000)
Fabricio Werdum ($250,000 + $125,000 = $375,000) def. Travis Browne ($120,000)
Mickey Gall ($15,000 + $15,000 = $30,000) def. CM Punk ($500,000)
Jimmie Rivera ($24,000 + $24,000 = $48,000) def. Urijah Faber ($160,000)
Jessica Andrade ($23,000 + $23,000 = $46,000) def. Joanne Calderwood ($25,000)

Preliminary Card (FOX Sports 1)
Bethe Correia ($25,000 + $25,000 = $50,000) def. Jessica Eye ($25,000)
Brad Tavares ($28,000 + $28,000 = $56,000) def. Caio Magalhaes ($20,000)
Nik Lentz ($38,000 + $38,000 = $76,000) def. Michael McBride ($12,000)
Drew Dober ($19,000 + $19,000 = $38,000) def. Jason Gonzales ($10,000)

Preliminary Card (UFC Fight Pass)
Yancy Medeiros ($24,000 + $24,000 = $48,000) def. Sean Spencer ($17,000)

Punk with the big bank! No wonder he was happy. Rumor is he had PPV points as well, which probably put him over the million mark.

 

[Ackmed]

PRROOOFFFF!!!!!

I don't have a picture of he and I, I'm not the type of person to do that. I just Google his name and Albuquerque and first link shows his Twitter; https://mobile.twitter.com/Alistairovereem/status/506053533909942273

I was there from July 31st to September 1st for work. I have pics of me there and hotel receipt. I have zero reason to lie. He was there at least 3 weeks, as well as other fighters. Saw Holly Holmes in Whole Foods right by our hotel. I had no idea, but apparently a lot train there because the altitude, as well as distance runners. It's about 6k feet, which is hard initially to exercise in. But once you get used to it, and go to lower altitude you have more stamina. Like I said, just seemed very chill. He and some others would spar on the tennis courts right behind the pool. They were always at the pool, never saw him drink alcohol there either. Played poker till it got awkward. He asked what we did and have done in the past. He's a Muslim and we had both done multiple deployments. He did have some good looking ladies with him, from Prague one was especially hot. Really wanted him to win, oh well.

 

[uhohs]

 

[Miramonti]

I don't have a picture of he and I, I'm not the type of person to do that. I just Google his name and Albuquerque and first link shows his Twitter; https://mobile.twitter.com/Alistairovereem/status/506053533909942273

I was there from July 31st to September 1st for work. I have pics of me there and hotel receipt. I have zero reason to lie. He was there at least 3 weeks, as well as other fighters. Saw Holly Holmes in Whole Foods right by our hotel. I had no idea, but apparently a lot train there because the altitude, as well as distance runners. It's about 6k feet, which is hard initially to exercise in. But once you get used to it, and go to lower altitude you have more stamina. Like I said, just seemed very chill. He and some others would spar on the tennis courts right behind the pool. They were always at the pool, never saw him drink alcohol there either. Played poker till it got awkward. He asked what we did and have done in the past. He's a Muslim and we had both done multiple deployments. He did have some good looking ladies with him, from Prague one was especially hot. Really wanted him to win, oh well.

You were obviously near downtown, not far from where the jacks-wink gym is, which also has dorms for people training from out of town. One has to be accepted to train there. They certainly are not the only mma gym around abq, just are the most known/successful/exclusive. The altitude is great for training, as well as the many hills (and some mountains).

 

[Miramonti]

I could do that...or would at least be willing to die trying.

 

[smackababy]

You were obviously near downtown, not far from where the jacks-wink gym is, which also has dorms for people training from out of town. One has to be accepted to train there. They certainly are not the only mma gym around abq, just are the most known/successful/exclusive. The altitude is great for training, as well as the many hills (and some mountains).

Has there been any real science proving high altitude training actually does anything? I am truly curious. I haven't seen anything conclusive myself.

 

[Miramonti]

Has there been any real science proving high altitude training actually does anything? I am truly curious. I haven't seen anything conclusive myself.

Yes, on a dare, Cain Velasquez went into Mexico City to fight werdum on only two weeks notice, and we know how that went.

Actually, I have no idea what research is out there...have you googled it or are you just trying to subcontract your interest for free?


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[smackababy]

Yes, on a dare, Cain Velasquez went into Mexico City to fight werdum on only two weeks notice, and we know how that went.

Actually, I have no idea what research is out there...have you googled it or are you just trying to subcontract your interest for free?


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Was it the altitude or the pace of the fight? Werdum trains out of LA, which is hardly a higher altitude than San Jose. Clearly, it was the altitude. Not that he ran into a guy with a strong chin and cardio similar to his.

And, I was asking if you had real evidence, because wading through broscience isn't exactly something I'd prefer.

 

[WaTaGuMp]

I was more happy with the fact I had a good stream. I don't know which caused it, my new router or new Kodi addon, but it had zero buffering the entire event.

 

[norseamd]

Was it the altitude or the pace of the fight? Werdum trains out of LA, which is hardly a higher altitude than San Jose. Clearly, it was the altitude. Not that he ran into a guy with a strong chin and cardio similar to his.

And, I was asking if you had real evidence, because wading through broscience isn't exactly something I'd prefer.

No, its real.

And Werdum had been training in Mexico City for months at the time.

Wanderlei was doing something similar in a more artificial way like 10 years ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKmte76XV7c

 

[Miramonti]

Was it the altitude or the pace of the fight? Werdum trains out of LA, which is hardly a higher altitude than San Jose. Clearly, it was the altitude. Not that he ran into a guy with a strong chin and cardio similar to his.

And, I was asking if you had real evidence, because wading through broscience isn't exactly something I'd prefer.

Iirc, Werdum got to Mexico City two months in advance (according to 'UFC embedded' series on youtube.)

It's a legitimate question for curiosity (but personally not something I catalog nor google for others. ) Stating there is less oxygen at higher altitudes and that the body must adapt to that isn't really broscience, but like many other things I've learned in life (or wasn't smart enough to learn), it's probably far more physiologically complex than that. While I've never heard the theology of training at higher altitudes questioned, I have read that the manner which it is applied is important. For example, a variable is how much in advance someone should arrive at the lower altitude before competing, after having trained at higher altitudes.

 

[norseamd]

Iirc, Werdum got to Mexico City two months in advance (according to 'UFC embedded' series on youtube.)

It's a legitimate question for curiosity (but personally not something I catalog nor google for others. ) Stating there is less oxygen at higher altitudes and that the body must adapt to that isn't really broscience, but like many other things I've learned in life (or wasn't smart enough to learn), it's probably far more physiologically complex than that. While I've never heard the theology of training at higher altitudes questioned, I have read that the manner which it is applied is important. For example, a variable is how much in advance someone should arrive at the lower altitude before competing, after having trained at higher altitudes.

Apparently the proportion of Oxygen at any survivable altitude is going to be the same, but there is less air pressure, and thus decreasingly less total oxygen at increasingly higher altitudes, and thus decreasingly less oxygen reaching the lungs. It might also be that higher air pressure pushes oxygen harder into the lungs tissue walls.