UFC 114: Evans Vs Jackson

[Zebo]

God MMA is so boring.

A lot of people say that. Even more people hate the ground and clinch game which is my favorite part being a former wrestler myself there is a shit ton more going than most see Different strokes bro...

 

[classy]

A lot of people say that. Even more people hate the ground and clinch game which is my favorite part being a former wrestler myself there is a shit ton more going than most see Different strokes bro...

I didn't mean to thread crap the fellas' thread last night. But MMA is just a terrible spectator sport. The knockouts are about as good if not better than boxing, but the in between is just lousy. There just isn't very many good mixups. The other thing I don't get is, these are some the most highly trained fighters in the world, in all types Martial Arts. But when you look at the fights, they fight no different than two guys at the local bar. Of course the submission holds are awesome, but not very spectator friendly. Even a bad boxing match still has some action. Now last night may not have been the best action matches, but for the few times I have watched it, often it just seems slow. Now obviously probably the scrubs are kicking butt on the regular street, but I'll be damned if this is worth paying for.

 

[duragezic]

My thoughts exactly. Once they showed it in slow motion you could see Rampage didnt really do that much damage. It looked bad at first though.

Yep. They said he was dropping bombs, but they weren't of the GPS guided type.

 

[endervalentine]

KO to the solar plexus was best KO of the night BY FAR


Overtook CroCop's liver kick as my favorite body shot KO ever.

Link to either fight? If not, who did the KO to the solar pelxus?

 

[datalink7]

I didn't mean to thread crap the fellas' thread last night. But MMA is just a terrible spectator sport. The knockouts are about as good if not better than boxing, but the in between is just lousy. There just isn't very many good mixups. The other thing I don't get is, these are some the most highly trained fighters in the world, in all types Martial Arts. But when you look at the fights, they fight no different than two guys at the local bar. Of course the submission holds are awesome, but not very spectator friendly. Even a bad boxing match still has some action. Now last night may not have been the best action matches, but for the few times I have watched it, often it just seems slow. Now obviously probably the scrubs are kicking butt on the regular street, but I'll be damned if this is worth paying for.

Part of what seems slow to the casual or new watcher is actual a very intense struggle.

I've had some very basic training in MMA but this has allowed me to appreciate what is going on. So while you might see two guys that just seem to be laying on top of each other with not much going on, I see a very intense chess match. That's why I hate the booing and when the ref says "start working". It's even worse when he breaks them apart. They ARE working. Just most people don't understand the sport so they can't see it.

That isn't a knock against you. Just saying that there is a lot more going on that you probably just cant' see because you don't know.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

Any thoughts on Shogun v Evans? That will be a fight but Shogun is just too technical for Rashad. I got Shogun winning by knockout in spectacular fashion.

 

[waggy]

Any thoughts on Shogun v Evans? That will be a fight but Shogun is just too technical for Rashad. I got Shogun winning by knockout in spectacular fashion.

that would be a good fight. Evans looked good against rampage. the fucker was fast. though he looked goofy it was a great game plan against rampage. the one time rampage nailed him it hurt. so staying away was great.

though it didn't help rampage was out a long time and came into camp fat.

 

[EightySix Four]

Link to either fight? If not, who did the KO to the solar pelxus?

Start at 2:40 or so, I think that is the knockout he's talking about.

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1213523/mirko_cro_cop_filipovic_vs_bob_the_beast_sapp_k1/

Here's the solar plexus KO from other night (NSFW due to advertisements) Start at 1:20 or so.

http://poststuff6.entensity.net/053110/flash.php?media=ufc114c.flv


My favorite ever was when the guy got rocked and stumbled backwards, the other went in for the kill, and the hurt guy knocked him out cold before passing out.

 

[waggy]

My favorite ever was when the guy got rocked and stumbled backwards, the other went in for the kill, and the hurt guy knocked him out cold before passing out.

yeap. got kicked in the stomach. falls back and down. the other guy charges he jumps up throws one hail merry punch and knocks him out!..only stays up long enough for the ref to declare him winner then he falls...LOL

it was great.

 

[EightySix Four]

yeap. got kicked in the stomach. falls back and down. the other guy charges he jumps up throws one hail merry punch and knocks him out!..only stays up long enough for the ref to declare him winner then he falls...LOL

it was great.

IIRC he was hit in the liver and his body went into shock. The CroCop fight I showed a few posts back is a good example of the delayed reaction with the liver hits. Get hit, feel the pain, and then a few seconds later stuff starts to go numb. In that case, it was just enough time for him to knock the guy out.

 

[Ns1]

Start at 2:40 or so, I think that is the knockout he's talking about.

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1213523/mirko_cro_cop_filipovic_vs_bob_the_beast_sapp_k1/

Here's the solar plexus KO from other night (NSFW due to advertisements) Start at 1:20 or so.

http://poststuff6.entensity.net/053110/flash.php?media=ufc114c.flv


My favorite ever was when the guy got rocked and stumbled backwards, the other went in for the kill, and the hurt guy knocked him out cold before passing out.

not the one I'm talking about

start at 4:00

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyMUxVe1SnM

It's like a submission, in a kick.

 

[QueBert]

didn't look like he hit him too good. and after that all the follow up punches didn't hit at all

He hit him good, even Evens himself said he went numb. Page had ring rust & cut a shit ton of weight. Either on it's own is bad for a fighter, both together are uber bad. Outside of the first punch in the first round and the GNP at the very end, all Evens did was hug Quinton against the cage. He definitely won the fight, but he did not do any damage. Another boring ass Rashad decision. Rampage lost this for himself by not being his usual aggressive self.

 

[waggy]

He hit him good, even Evens himself said he went numb. Page had ring rust & cut a shit ton of weight. Either on it's own is bad for a fighter, both together are uber bad. Outside of the first punch in the first round and the GNP at the very end, all Evens did was hug Quinton against the cage. He definitely won the fight, but he did not do any damage. Another boring ass Rashad decision. Rampage lost this for himself by not being his usual aggressive self.

I think if Rampage would have fallowed up after the hit on rashad he could have taken it.

rashad had a good gameplan. standing and banging with rampage is stupid. i sure in the hell wouldn't do it.

 

[QueBert]

I think if Rampage would have fallowed up after the hit on rashad he could have taken it.

rashad had a good gameplan. standing and banging with rampage is stupid. i sure in the hell wouldn't do it.

He was totally gassed that's the only explanation, the ring rust and weight he cut really fucked with him. I'd say he lost the fight more than Evans won it. And for how much shit they both talked it was a pathetic fight. Evens got lucky with that first punch, he never had any intention of trying to finish the fight. A shame Quinton didn't have the tank left to finish Evans when he was next to out. It mirrored the Thiago fight where Evens would have been asleep if Silva had any gas left.

Rashad should thank his lucky stars for fighters gassing or his last 2 fights would have been loses.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

I wouldn't call Rashad a lucky guy. These guys end up getting gassed because Rashad wears them down with his wrestling. It makes for a boring ass fight though. Rampage is clearly not the same fighter he once was. Now if Shogun can neutralize Evan's ground game it won even be a fight for Shogun. Rashad is lacking a good stand up game.

Another thing I noticed is the way Rashad was moving he looked really vulnerable to a head kick. I'd like to see him try that shit with a good striker.

 

[DayLaPaul]

He hit him good, even Evens himself said he went numb. Page had ring rust & cut a shit ton of weight. Either on it's own is bad for a fighter, both together are uber bad. Outside of the first punch in the first round and the GNP at the very end, all Evens did was hug Quinton against the cage. He definitely won the fight, but he did not do any damage. Another boring ass Rashad decision. Rampage lost this for himself by not being his usual aggressive self.

You come off as a pretty die hard MMA fan, so I'm surprised you'd declare a fight boring just because your boy lost. From everything I saw and the general feedback I seem to get from online, that it was a pretty entertaining fight.

Aren't you the same guy who defends Brock for basically just sitting on someone all match?

 

[waggy]

I wouldn't call Rashad a lucky guy. These guys end up getting gassed because Rashad wears them down with his wrestling. It makes for a boring ass fight though. Rampage is clearly not the same fighter he once was. Now if Shogun can neutralize Evan's ground game it won even be a fight for Shogun. Rashad is lacking a good stand up game.

Another thing I noticed is the way Rashad was moving he looked really vulnerable to a head kick. I'd like to see him try that shit with a good striker.

I agree. BUT rampage came into camp fat and a year out IS a long time.

but a smart wrestler is going to wear you down. Rashad had a great game plan. use speed and wrestling to get the win. I'm not going to knock him for it..

i do think rashad vs shogun fight will be good. shogun should take it.

 

[QueBert]

You come off as a pretty die hard MMA fan, so I'm surprised you'd declare a fight boring just because your boy lost. From everything I saw and the general feedback I seem to get from online, that it was a pretty entertaining fight.

Aren't you the same guy who defends Brock for basically just sitting on someone all match?

The fight had a few moments of excitement, but it was boring. Evans didn't engage and Quinton wasn't fast enough to catch him. It was mostly Evans pushing Page against the cage and not doing anything. Herb dean split it up 2-3 times. He should have done it more IMHO. Brock has never sat on someone the entire fight. Against Heath he constantly trying to improve his position, he was just in there against a dude who had a decade plus of experience and had fought some of the best in the world. Brock was still a n00b. The outcome of that fight was Herring had a broken Orbital socket, was pissing blood for 4 days and it basically caused him to retire. Herring is one of the toughest SOB's ever to fight in MMA. And Brock made him quit. The rest of Lesnars fights have been much more exciting. I wouldn't say the Herring fight was action packed, but the outcome showed it was a true domination. You will never seen Brock LNP his was to a victory, the dude goes in there to beat the hell out of his opponent not just win.

 

[kinev]

yeap. got kicked in the stomach. falls back and down. the other guy charges he jumps up throws one hail merry punch and knocks him out!..only stays up long enough for the ref to declare him winner then he falls...LOL

it was great.

IIRC he was hit in the liver and his body went into shock. The CroCop fight I showed a few posts back is a good example of the delayed reaction with the liver hits. Get hit, feel the pain, and then a few seconds later stuff starts to go numb. In that case, it was just enough time for him to knock the guy out.

Yeah, that was Scott Smith vs. Pete Sell. Check out Smith vs. Raddich and Smith vs. Lee for more come-from-behind victories.

 

[Woosta]

My, how everyone falls for the UFC hype machine.

This thread has 2x the replies of http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2073378&highlight=

 

[QueBert]

My, how everyone falls for the UFC hype machine.

This thread has 2x the replies of http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2073378&highlight=

Not really UFC hype machine here, these 2 legitimately don't like one another. The fight should have been a lot better though, but not UFC's fault there. A quote since the fight

“He did a good fight, but he still can kiss my ass,” Jackson said. “He said a whole lot of stuff. I ain’t going to forget it, but we both warriors. I’m not a sore loser. I’m a fighter. I’ve been a fighter all my life, but I still ain’t going to forget the stuff he said. He still can kiss my black ass.”

“I feel the same way,” Evans replied. “He can kiss my ass too.”

I HOPE that Page fights a few more times this year and gets a rematch next year. Would be a much different fight with a Quinton that's in shape and has no ring rust. These 2 will never be buddies so I really hope a rematch can happen.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

My, how everyone falls for the UFC hype machine.

This thread has 2x the replies of http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2073378&highlight=

I think there is some genuine hate there. Rampage is always fun to watch and does the best interviews in mma. It's freaking hilarious the shit he says. It's not surprising he has a huge fan base.

 

[Miramonti]

I wouldn't call Rashad a lucky guy. These guys end up getting gassed because Rashad wears them down with his wrestling. It makes for a boring ass fight though. Rampage is clearly not the same fighter he once was. Now if Shogun can neutralize Evan's ground game it won even be a fight for Shogun. Rashad is lacking a good stand up game.

Another thing I noticed is the way Rashad was moving he looked really vulnerable to a head kick. I'd like to see him try that shit with a good striker.

Damn, if 15-1-1 in mma and 10-1-1 in the UFC alone could even be considered lucky (iinm), then I misunderstand the entire sport, lol.

He was destroyed by Machida but that was his first freakin loss. This guy has been fighting at a championship contender level for a long time (not to mention the brief time he held the belt.)

 

[Zebo]

I didn't mean to thread crap the fellas' thread last night. But MMA is just a terrible spectator sport. The knockouts are about as good if not better than boxing, but the in between is just lousy. There just isn't very many good mixups. The other thing I don't get is, these are some the most highly trained fighters in the world, in all types Martial Arts. But when you look at the fights, they fight no different than two guys at the local bar. Of course the submission holds are awesome, but not very spectator friendly. Even a bad boxing match still has some action. Now last night may not have been the best action matches, but for the few times I have watched it, often it just seems slow. Now obviously probably the scrubs are kicking butt on the regular street, but I'll be damned if this is worth paying for.

That's because you don't see everything like most MMA fans dont. There are literally 100's of moves just in wrestling none really appreciate because they never experienced it. EVERYONE has experience with striking, it's pretty basic with about 12 punches - but even there noobs miss the footwork, shoulder rolls, a knockout beautifully set up with a jab and so forth that make a good boxer/striker. Bottom line is you have to fight dude to really appreciate the combat sport.

How old are you? If you were to give wrestling a good try then when you watch how easily good wrestlers throw dead weight around like it was a leaf then when you see the grips the set up and positions for submissions then you appreciate it and not call it street fight. These guys would murder a street fighter just like a good boxer would.