UC Berkeley Asking Incoming Students For DNA Sample

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BERKELEY, Calif. -- A plan by the University of California, Berkeley to voluntarily test the DNA of incoming freshman has come under fire from critics who said the school was pushing an unproven technology on impressionable students. The university has said it will send test kits to 5,500 new students to analyze genes that help control the body's responses to alcohol, dairy products and folic acid. The voluntary tests are intended to spur conversation about the growing field of personal genomics, not predict the likelihood of disease, university officials said Thursday. "We thought that this would be a more engaging vehicle for discussion than having them read a book or an article," said Mark Schlissel, dean of biology at UC Berkeley. Critics, however, worry that students could get the idea the school approves of widely available direct-to-consumer gene-testing kits that claim to predict the risk of future health problems, said Jesse Reynolds, a policy analyst at the Center for Genetics and Society, a bioethics think thank. Students might think, "Berkeley gave it to us. It must be good. UC Berkeley would never be giving its incoming students anything bad or controversial," Reynolds said. One such kit was set to go on sale at Walgreen's pharmacies last week. However, the chain changed its mind after federal regulators said the kit's manufacturer never submitted the product to the Food and Drug Administration for review, a requirement for medical devices. University officials said they were careful to choose genes for testing that were not related to serious health issues. "We wanted to pick genes in which the variants were very easy to understand, not threatening, and probably reveal information students have about themselves already," said Jasper Rine, a UC Berkeley genetics professor who is spearheading the testing program. The program's organizers said it was important to get students talking about the issues because genetic testing would likely become an everyday part of medicine in coming decades. The tests take the place of reading a book as part of an annual program called "On the Same Page" designed to give all new students a common topic of discussion. Past topics have included food, Abraham Lincoln and cosmology. A key concern about many direct-to-consumer genetic tests is their reliance on studies that use statistics to determine how likely a particular gene variation is to be connected to a specific disease. Many such studies are preliminary, but public health officials worry that without proper counseling, consumers are likely to take their test results as definitive. Schlissel said the science behind the tests being given to students was well-grounded in years of research. In addition, students arriving in the fall will be able to attend a presentation of the overall results for the entire incoming class and learn what the results mean. All DNA will be collected privately, officials said. Students will use a barcode that only they have to locate their individual results, and the university said all DNA will be incinerated after the analysis is completed. Students also will be able to compete to win one of four much more comprehensive personal gene scans from 23andMe Inc., a Google-backed company that has been at the center of the debate over direct-to-consumer genetic testing. Dr. Muin J. Khoury, director of the National Office of Public Health Genomics at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, said the value of the tests to students will depend on how well the results are presented and discussed. The test for a gene related to how quickly a person absorbs alcohol could easily lead new college students to get the wrong idea, he said. "I just worry about 18-year-old kids saying, 'Oh, I'm a fast metabolizer, I can drink a lot of alcohol, it won't affect me."' Still, said Khoury, "if it's packaged well, it could be a great experience.
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Does this seem just wrong for anyone else?

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No one is getting DNA from me w/o a court order and restraints. Once you're in a database it's trivial to frame you for murder or something.
 

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It's purely voluntary, so who cares?

it's always voluntary.

but this is how it starts.

first its voluntary, then encouraged, and one day it becomes a medical requirement to enter the school/job/whatever.

ever heard of a slippery slope?
 
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it's always voluntary.

but this is how it starts.

first its voluntary, then encouraged, and one day it becomes a medical requirement to enter the school/job/whatever.

ever heard of a slippery slope?

VOLUNTARY. Plus, as usual, you're making mountains out of mole hills. Try getting a real argument beyond "slippery slope."

If the barcodes are never linked to a name, what's the big deal?
 

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VOLUNTARY. Plus, as usual, you're making mountains out of mole hills. Try getting a real argument beyond "slippery slope."

If the barcodes are never linked to a name, what's the big deal?

what's the big deal?

seriously?

it is totally unreal for a school to ask for a DNA sample of a student.

that's such an unbelievable violation of ones personal privacy.

if this becomes the norm, one day it might be mandatory.

is that too far fetched?
 

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When it becomes or threatens to become mandatory come back and rage about it then and you'll get a lot more support.

Otherwise this is just seems like a really inventive method of introducing students to Genetics, no more no less.
 

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what's the big deal?

seriously?

it is totally unreal for a school to ask for a DNA sample of a student.

that's such an unbelievable violation of ones personal privacy.

if this becomes the norm, one day it might be mandatory.

is that too far fetched?

They're not violating anything. The students a willingly giving up this aspect of their privacy if they decide to go that route. Every time you use a credit or debit card you are giving up more effective privacy than the voluntary test in the OP.

You have no precedent to go off of on this subject. The slippery slope does not apply.
 

piasabird

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I would not care to give up my DNA. Although as many times as I have had a blood test, they might have it already.
 

Zebo

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Pro Tip - if you kill someone leave hairs of some guy you hate at Crime Scene, it's ends investigations quickly. Everyone Knows this.
 

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voluntary now because it is in the news, as soon as it fades, v1.0b will be "mandatory", it is CA after all...
 

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It's a great idea. After the nuclear war we can clone that data base, the best and brightest in the world.
 

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It's a great idea. After the nuclear war we can clone that data base, the best and brightest in the world.

a bunch of little databases will definitely be useful after the nukes fall...

i'll ask my buddy who's kid is off to berzerkley next year if they're gonna participate... i'm sure he's gonna tell her not to, but she probably will...
 

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it's always voluntary.

but this is how it starts.

first its voluntary, then encouraged, and one day it becomes a medical requirement to enter the school/job/whatever.

ever heard of a slippery slope?

It's called a slippery slope FALLACY for a reason...
 
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No one is getting DNA from me w/o a court order and restraints. Once you're in a database it's trivial to frame you for murder or something.

I agree. DNA cares a huge amount of potential for criminal framing and misidentification and abuse by health insurance companies and employers that I wouldn't want to give it out.

Of course, eventually the government, businesses, and health insurance companies will have everyone's DNA profile. It's inevitable and it's only a matter of time. Did you go to the doctor to have your blood drawn? Congratulations, you've just submitted a DNA sample. We'll probably be collecting samples from infants at birth soon and tying it to birth certificates.
 
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Pro Tip - if you kill someone leave hairs of some guy you hate at Crime Scene, it's ends investigations quickly. Everyone Knows this.

I too have wondered how commonplace this is. It seems like a no-brainer--obtain samples from some other person and leave it at the crime scene to mislead investigators. (Most criminals probably aren't bright enough to think to do or prepare to do that, but I'm sure it will become increasingly common.) Call it DNA framing.

If I were a defense attorney, I would begin to call into question all matching DNA samples and to argue whether they were planted.