uc admissions info vs 2000 census

[Koing]

<< i however do think that asians are smarter...
like how does such small countries make such technological advances: japan (everything electronic), korea (damn good computer stuff), taiwan (good a** motherboards), etc... >>

 

[calbear2000]

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<< << Maybe less blacks applied to UC. >>




yeah, maybe they all applied to Howard. >>



Or maybe they were too busy humping your Mom. >>



Sheesh! Someone's got issues

 

[ggavinmoss]

<< i however do think that asians are smarter...
like how does such small countries make such technological advances: japan (everything electronic), korea (damn good computer stuff), taiwan (good a** motherboards), etc... >>



It's not that they are necessarily coming up with all these advances, rather ways to make a lot of it and at a lower cost. For example, I'm not sure American companies could produce the same amount as say Taiwan Semi. at the same cost due to cultural and economic differences. I'm not knockin' them for it -- in fact I think it's good.

It's the same reason your shoes are made in China/The Philippines/etc.

-geoff

 

[Ameesh]

J - E - L - L - OH!

 

[goog40]

Well their reason for including the life challenges it to target underrepresented groups. This is effectively the same as AA, which I consider very racist. The majority gets discriminated against when policies are made to try to make things more "equal", in the case of UCLA, that would be whites and Asians.



<< However, after admitting this group, UCLA was confronted with a freshman class of less than seven percent underrepresented students, which is considered too out of balance with the population demographics of California and Los Angeles. Thus, after the first tier of students was selected, UCLA's admissions office used the Life Challenge measure to identify as best it could, without explicitly using race and ethnicity, a group of students with the highest possible proportion of underrepresented students. >>



I don't think life challenges should be given a point system or anything like that. If a student has had to deal with adversity, it can be included in the essay for consideration. But with the current system, two students who have equally good academics, extracurriculars, and essays could apply, and one could get in because of the life challenges point system. Why should one student be punished just because he isn't poor or his parent went to college?

 

[Chris A]

<< again, these numbers are not precise, but are close. the message i want to get out there is that the uc admissions system is out-of-whack. >>



What group did they lump the Latino population in plus all the other races.. Seems like someone just put a bunch of numbers together to support their agenda again.

 

[RudeBoie]

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I don't think life challenges should be given a point system or anything like that. If a student has had to deal with adversity, it can be included in the essay for consideration. But with the current system, two students who have equally good academics, extracurriculars, and essays could apply, and one could get in because of the life challenges point system. Why should one student be punished just because he isn't poor or his parent went to college? >>



True, but I'm willing to accept being rejected if someone did just as well as I did but had a bit of a harder life than me.

However, if I get 1300's on the SAT's and a 4.0 GPA while a minority gets 1200 and a 3.6 (and we have equal extracurrics and essay), I don't want him getting in over me. Besides, wealth is relative and only has to do with how much money you have at the time you apply. 50k doesnt go very far in Silicon Valley, but if you live in Fresno, it will (more so). And I lived poor for the first half of my life. Could I not argue that if I had a better economic situation those early years, I would have developed my abilities faster and be at Stanford now?

 

[Jfur]

<< asians are smarter, get over it. >>



it's because they have more free time beacuse of smaller penises

 

[hans007]

first off, thought there are more whites and asians by a large margin than there should be by population in california, more probably deserve to get in as it is.



my roomate, he's black. he's a minority peer counselor. he is counseling mostly black and latino kids. first off these minority things arent even really given to other non minority races. you willn ot see white people at AAP counseling at ucla. then he's telling me about all these kids who got into ucla with like 820 sats, 3.0 gpas but they went to a school somewhere ghetto.

the 820 sat kid i cited had a 0.0 gpa after a quarter.

then you take my cousin who like has a 4.3 gpa and 1360 and doesnt even get in at all. my cousin has a friend who is asian. that kid got a 1600 on his sats, was like key club president, 800s on his sat2s, like 4.5 gpa, etc. my cousin and his friends go to an elite magnet school , in a very upper middle class neighborhood. median family income is like 150k there.


i dont think asians are smarter btw. people are all equally smart. the main factor i believe is the way people are brought up. most asians in california are fairly new immigrants like 1st or 2nd gen, and well immigrants work hard. and they would probably pass that on to their kids. I used to have a theory that asian kids in america from certain countries were smarter than kids from their home countries, because US immigration tends to only let the "best" foreigners immigrant, and generally those are the smarter people in said country, but i dont think as a whole any race is any smarter than any other one.


anyways, his friend with the 1600 didnt get into ucla, but did get into harvard. now that is jacked up is it not, when minority kids , or say kids whose parents arent as well off , or whose parents didnt go to college , etc, can get in with far lower qualifications. how do you tell some kid who basically did everything perfect and actually wanted to go to ucla, that he cant go here and that ther ewas actually more he could do, when some retard with a 0.0 gpa in college and an 820 on the sat got in the year before. thats a load of crap man,.

 

[Ameesh]

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<< asians are smarter, get over it. >>



it's because they have more free time beacuse of smaller penises >>



lol

 

[tops2]

its amazing how people think school should accept people based on the ratio of the different races in the country instead of based on merit

 

[FrontlineWarrior]

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<< asians are smarter, get over it. >>



it's because they have more free time beacuse of smaller penises >>



at least they have one!

cough *penis envy* cough

 

[Ameesh]

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<<

<< asians are smarter, get over it. >>



it's because they have more free time beacuse of smaller penises >>



at least they have one!

cough *penis envy* cough >>



hahahaha i love this thread.

 

[FrontlineWarrior]

<< anyways, his friend with the 1600 didnt get into ucla, but did get into harvard. now that is jacked up is it not, when minority kids , or say kids whose parents arent as well off , or whose parents didnt go to college , etc, can get in with far lower qualifications. how do you tell some kid who basically did everything perfect and actually wanted to go to ucla, that he cant go here and that ther ewas actually more he could do, when some retard with a 0.0 gpa in college and an 820 on the sat got in the year before. thats a load of crap man,. >>



Wait a second here... this kid had AAP tutoring and STILL had a 0.0 GPA? What a f*cking moron!!!!!!!!

 

[MisterNi]

So what is this census supposed to show/prove? It means nothing unless you also show the amount of students that apply. Also where's the latino numbers??? Hispanics make up a HUGE portion of CA's general population and they're not even included in this "census".

 

[edc03]

<< asians are smarter, get over it. >>



it's because they have more free time beacuse of smaller penises >>



at least they have one!

cough *penis envy* cough >>


funny as thread. one good one in a long time...

 

[blueadobe2000]

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[Tetsuo316]

...lot of good stuff in this thread.

i didn't include latino population in the numbers because i couldn't remember what my friend told me they were in the article and i didn't want to just make up a number that i thought i'd remembered.

i also don't think that the numbers should match percentage-wise exactly.

i didn't include the number of applicants, but c'mon. do you really think that the number of black applicants was really that low? jesus some people refuse to see the big picture.

i don't think that the percentages should be matched across the board, but as the us system is a public system, i think that it should reflect the public's makeup a whole lot more than it currently does.

 

[Shantanu]

<< i don't think that the percentages should be matched across the board, but as the us system is a public system, i think that it should reflect the public's makeup a whole lot more than it currently does. >>



And like all good public systems, no doubt the Asians of San Jose pay a hell of a lot more than the Mexicans of Los Angeles and the blacks of Compton.

 

[MisterNi]

<< i didn't include the number of applicants, but c'mon. do you really think that the number of black applicants was really that low? jesus some people refuse to see the big picture. >>


Well, how are we supposed to make an educated conclusion if you leave out that bit of information?



<< i don't think that the percentages should be matched across the board, but as the us system is a public system, i think that it should reflect the public's makeup a whole lot more than it currently does. >>


If you wanted to show these numbers as indicative of percentage of race within a public system (at least for California) the least you could've done was include CSU's as well. Your statistics are incomplete at best.

 

[Capn]

<< i didn't include the number of applicants, but c'mon. do you really think that the number of black applicants was really that low? jesus some people refuse to see the big picture.

i don't think that the percentages should be matched across the board, but as the us system is a public system, i think that it should reflect the public's makeup a whole lot more than it currently does. >>



How can we see the whole picture if we don't have the whole picture to see? You can't just assume these things, as in assuming the black acceptance rate was statistically smaller than the other racial groups. Hey, they might be, I don't know. But there is no validity to these claims until you quantify them correctly.

And yes, it should reflect the public's makeup as a whole more than it does, but this does not mean the school is at fault. The school can only admit qualified candidates that apply, if a smaller number of one racial minority apply then they can't really do anything can they.

 

[worth]

<< asians are smarter, get over it. >>



Or, maybe the dumb ones haven't figured out how to get over the big lake yet...

 

[RudeBoie]

<< How can we see the whole picture if we don't have the whole picture to see? You can't just assume these things, as in assuming the black acceptance rate was statistically smaller than the other racial groups. Hey, they might be, I don't know. But there is no validity to these claims until you quantify them correctly.

And yes, it should reflect the public's makeup as a whole more than it does, but this does not mean the school is at fault. The school can only admit qualified candidates that apply, if a smaller number of one racial minority apply then they can't really do anything can they. >>



Yes, that's right. The real problem is the University's, it's the applicants (or rather, the applicant's credentials). A state that ranks last Education is not going to be one that can do equal education throughout the state.

You figure that everyone who goes to your HS (public) probably has the same degree of living conditions. For me, that was pretty much middle class. Only asians and whites got into UCB and UCLA my year (and 1 Black). Does this represent the class % ratio of my school? No.

Did any minorities get rejected who did better than me? No.

I didn't apply to many schools because I didn't want to waste my money if there was 0% chance of me not going there
Most Asians and Whites have a better chance (and they know this from their grades and SAT scores) of getting in to UC's so they go ahead and apply to them. If minorities as a whole are doing worse and thus have a lower chance of getting in, logically they would know they'd be better off not wasting their money and applying elsewhere.

 

[kaiotes]

let me say something about the AAP crap (For uCLA)
this is pure discrimination.
just because they are poor or are on sports why are they allowed to have extra FREE tutors, while any typical student have to work their ass off.
most ppl in the AAP program get higher grades than students who didn't get the free tutoring.
i would join the AAP if it wasn't for their minority or poor income restrictions.
they are using either taxpayer money or student gov't money.
i didn't agree to this, this is NOT FAIR.
i'm an azn and i'm not getting the As.and i do not come from 100K figure family background

 

[Nefrodite]

asians with best actor/actress oscar = 0
number of asians in the college basketball = ~0
number of asians in the college footballl = ~0