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Originally posted by: Nothinman
So you can contribute more?

Probably, are you curious about a specific thing? I mean why do you think it has a big beneift? The only thing you end up doing is saving disk space from all the modules you build, but the day you plug something in that you didn't think about and it just works you'll be glad you did that.

It wasn't a question, it was an answer to your post above mine. 😉

Actually i was thinking more along the lines of contributing to kernel development, which is my reason. 😉
 
Originally posted by: Nothinman
Woohoo Prime95, who cares? Do you run Prime95 all the time while you're using the machine? I sure as hell don't. 10% in Prime95 probably means 1% or less in real world usage. And honestly, if your distro doesn't have differnet kernels for each CPU available there's something wrong.

$apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6.8
kernel-image-2.6.8-1-386 - Linux kernel image for version 2.6.8 on 386.
kernel-image-2.6.8-1-686 - Linux kernel image for version 2.6.8 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/PIV.
kernel-image-2.6.8-1-686-smp - Linux kernel image for version 2.6.8 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/PIV SMP.
kernel-image-2.6.8-1-k7 - Linux kernel image for version 2.6.8 on AMD K7.
kernel-image-2.6.8-1-k7-smp - Linux kernel image for version 2.6.8 on AMD K7 SMP.
kernel-image-2.6.8-2-amd64-generic - Linux kernel image for version 2.6.8 on generic x86_64 systems.
kernel-image-2.6.8-2-amd64-k8 - Linux kernel image for version 2.6.8 on AMD64 systems.
kernel-image-2.6.8-2-amd64-k8-smp - Linux kernel image for version 2.6.8 on AMD K8 SMP.
kernel-image-2.6.8-2-amd64-xeon - Linux kernel image for version 2.6.8 on Intel amd64 systems.
kernel-image-2.6.8-4-amd64-generic - Linux kernel image for version 2.6.8 on generic x86_64 systems.
kernel-image-2.6.8-4-amd64-k8 - Linux kernel image for version 2.6.8 on AMD64 systems.
kernel-image-2.6.8-4-amd64-k8-smp - Linux kernel image for version 2.6.8 on AMD K8 SMP.
kernel-image-2.6.8-4-em64t-p4 - Linux kernel image for version 2.6.8 on Intel EM64T systems.
kernel-image-2.6.8-4-em64t-p4-smp - Linux kernel image for version 2.6.8 on Intel EM64T systems.
kernel-image-2.6.8-9-amd64-generic - Linux kernel image for version 2.6.8 on generic x86_64 systems
kernel-image-2.6.8-9-amd64-k8 - Linux kernel image for version 2.6.8 on AMD64 systems
kernel-image-2.6.8-9-amd64-k8-smp - Linux kernel image for version 2.6.8 on AMD64 SMP systems
kernel-image-2.6.8-9-em64t-p4 - Linux kernel image for version 2.6.8 on Intel EM64T systems
kernel-image-2.6.8-9-em64t-p4-smp - Linux kernel image for version 2.6.8 on Intel EM64T SMP systems
kernel-tree-2.6.8 - Linux kernel tree for building prepackaged Debian kernel images


When I tried Yoper, it was noticably faster in the real world by a significant amount. I'm trying to get the same performance with Ubuntu. Prime 95 is just a tool to help gauge the progress. Anyway, even now my machine is blazing fast with a mobile Athlon XP running at 2.5GHz on nForce2 mobo (w/nvidia integrated graphics). It's almost as fast as the Windows XP I have running on Athlon 64 3200+. Soon I might use the Linux as my main machine, and use Windows only for gaming.
 
I'm also still looking for good benchmarking and hardware monitoring tools for Linux, including graphics benchmarks. On Windows I use prime-95/super-pi/memtest86/mbm 5/3dmark200[1,3,5]/aquamrk/hdtach
 
Originally posted by: Nothinman
Oh, I thought you wanted a more elaborate explanation =)

Yeah, i was a bit unclear, took me a while to realize that even, been sick for a few days and still tired but working tonight. 🙂

 
Originally posted by: user1234
I'm also still looking for good benchmarking and hardware monitoring tools for Linux, including graphics benchmarks. On Windows I use prime-95/super-pi/memtest86/mbm 5/3dmark200[1,3,5]/aquamrk/hdtach

sourceforge.net
 
Originally posted by: user1234
I'm also still looking for good benchmarking and hardware monitoring tools for Linux, including graphics benchmarks. On Windows I use prime-95/super-pi/memtest86/mbm 5/3dmark200[1,3,5]/aquamrk/hdtach

You could run a numer of them individually but i think that i have seen a sourceforge project that does it all in one package, that is why i recommend searching sourceforge.

Besides, i just do security scans and network scanners so i have no idea which the best performance testers are.

I have no idea why anyone would care unless they are evaluating systems either.

 
Wow, I almost feel guilty for all this. 😛

Real world benefits of custom kernels are typically not there. Newbies don't realize it, but that's ok. It gives them experience tracking down problems. It does make helping them out a bit more difficult though.

The customizations I make usually involve putting drivers into the kernel instead of as modules (I hate modules, which Nothinman might flame me for 😉).

The real world benefits of customizing most software to your specific CPU type just aren't there for most programs, encryption being an exception. There are a number of problems with it though. Compiling the same code for i686 instead of i386 might pop up a bug in either the compiler chain or the code itself. Finding tand fixing the bug is a good thing, unless you can't/won't fix it.

Ramble ramble ramble.
 
When I tried Yoper, it was noticably faster in the real world by a significant amount.

I have no idea what a yoper is.

Prime 95 is just a tool to help gauge the progress.

But it's artificial and irrelevant, most speed issues on a desktop machine are either obvious like disk speed or interactivity related, like having xmms skip when switching desktops. But Prime95 just seems to exercise the CPU while looking for prime numbers, so the numbers should be very similar unless you have other things running and taking CPU cycles away from Prime95.

The real world benefits of customizing most software to your specific CPU type just aren't there for most programs, encryption being an exception.

Even so most distributions contain kernel packages for each CPU type.

Compiling the same code for i686 instead of i386 might pop up a bug in either the compiler chain or the code itself.

Or, like I saw on lkml today with regards to Linux 2.6.9 and gcc 3.3.5, compiling with certain compilers might just cause the compiler to crash. Obviously if the compiler crashes that's a bug in the compiler, but who knows if other versions of the compiler might not crash but still emit bad assembly code and cause the compile to look like it worked but crash oddly after you boot it up.

So I don't die merging onto i66, i*95, i40, etc.

True, I guess I'm spoiled in that I don't have to drive in rush hour traffic and the roads I do drive on regularly are pretty rural.
 
Originally posted by: Nothinman
When I tried Yoper, it was noticably faster in the real world by a significant amount.

I have no idea what a yoper is.

YALD (Yet Another Linux Distribution).

The real world benefits of customizing most software to your specific CPU type just aren't there for most programs, encryption being an exception.

Even so most distributions contain kernel packages for each CPU type.[/quote]

Yep, and that's not a big deal IMO.

Compiling the same code for i686 instead of i386 might pop up a bug in either the compiler chain or the code itself.

Or, like I saw on lkml today with regards to Linux 2.6.9 and gcc 3.3.5, compiling with certain compilers might just cause the compiler to crash. Obviously if the compiler crashes that's a bug in the compiler, but who knows if other versions of the compiler might not crash but still emit bad assembly code and cause the compile to look like it worked but crash oddly after you boot it up.

That's pretty much what I meant. I just woke up though, so a good example beats my crappy explanation. 😉

So I don't die merging onto i66, i*95, i40, etc.

True, I guess I'm spoiled in that I don't have to drive in rush hour traffic and the roads I do drive on regularly are pretty rural.

Yeah, I don't have that problem much these days, but it used to be a big concern.
 
I have a serious question - did anyone encounter problems trying to share files with windows XP on a network ? In Ubuntu, the gnome file browser shows the "windows network" icon, but when I click on it, sometimes (actually most of the time) it displays an empty directory. Occasionaly it does work, and displays the "MSHome" workgroup which then leads to the Windows machine and the shared documentes folder. I've heard others have also encountered this problem, but I'm not sure if there is any fix for it. Any ideas ? (right now I'm transferring files on the network using FTP).
 
I don't usually use those things, I usually just 'smbmount' the share and use normal file methods like CLI and Nautilus.
 
Originally posted by: user1234
Originally posted by: Nothinman
For the same reason people care how fast their car goes from 0-60

To compensate for penis size?


No, to reach from point A to point B in the shortest possible time

But the chances for accidents increase with speed, it is the same thing with computers, the more optimized the code, the less headroom you got.

And if you crash you won't get there at all.
 
No, to reach from point A to point B in the shortest possible time

Ignoring the legalities, even the sh!tty New Yorker I'm using on loan right now can go 80-90mhp and while it may take a few more seconds for me to get there compared to other cars, the time saved would probably be less than 10s on any real sized trip.
 
Originally posted by: Nothinman
I don't usually use those things, I usually just 'smbmount' the share and use normal file methods like CLI and Nautilus.

Normally i do the same, i have been using LiSA for a while just to help test out a new version and it works pretty great, the integration with Konqueror and KDE printing services makes for easy transition from Win machines to *nix.

Normally KDE is not something i would run though, even though it IS a good WM it is more than i need.

But for an easy transition from win to *nix it is great.
 
well, now that i have taken the time to learn it, here is my hints

install was a breeze
very easy to use but gnome isnt very gui freindly
USE THE FREENODE on irc those peeps help alot


I like the distro now, its really good.
 
ok i put it on

Seagate HD:
hd0 winxp

hd1 logical partition ubuntu 15gig

WD hd
1 ntfs partition with mp3s


is it possible to access the off this other drive to listen to in ubuntu?
 
yes it is easy to mount an ntfs partition on ubuntu so you can access them. However, you need to read the wiki for it at ubuntus website. i had this issue. also, if you use the irc client, go to freenode, then enter channel #ubuntu you will get all kinds of help in there. Ask a person named thoreaputic i think is his name. he can help...
 
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