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Ubuntu Edgy Eft Scheduled for Release Tomorrow

If it takes less than a day, I'm downloading it tomorrow. Otherwise, I may as well just order a disk from one of those disk-places.
 
just downloaded ubunutu for the first time today and theres a new version tomorrow. just my luck.

is there an update optioo or is it a case of starting from scratch again?
 
You wanna know what would thrill me about Edgy Eft? If it set up my ATI X300 and my Linksys WiFi card automatically and correctly during install. The new artwork does nothing for me, I'd just love to be able to use my machines without having to configure stuff first.
 
Originally posted by: Megatomic
You wanna know what would thrill me about Edgy Eft? If it set up my ATI X300 and my Linksys WiFi card automatically and correctly during install. The new artwork does nothing for me, I'd just love to be able to use my machines without having to configure stuff first.
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blame ATI for the VC.. Ububtu for the WiFI
 
Originally posted by: Megatomic
You wanna know what would thrill me about Edgy Eft? If it set up my ATI X300 and my Linksys WiFi card automatically and correctly during install. The new artwork does nothing for me, I'd just love to be able to use my machines without having to configure stuff first.
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do those both work out of box with XP, no dirver installs, no configuration required??
 
Originally posted by: nweaver
Originally posted by: Megatomic
You wanna know what would thrill me about Edgy Eft? If it set up my ATI X300 and my Linksys WiFi card automatically and correctly during install. The new artwork does nothing for me, I'd just love to be able to use my machines without having to configure stuff first.
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do those both work out of box with XP, no dirver installs, no configuration required??
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Yes for the ATI card, I can't remember about the Linksys card. It's been a long time since I had to install Windows on my laptop, it's been years actually...

Originally posted by: IamDavid
blame ATI for the VC.. Ububtu for the WiFI
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Dammit, I typed almost this very thing in my post above but deleted it. I just KNEW someone would say that. 😛
 
ps - Ubuntu, actually Kubuntu, is my linux flavor of choice. I like it alot, my only gripe is that artwork/wallpaper is far less important than working drivers. And keep this in mind, if I'm a geek and I have a difficult time making my Linksys WiFi card work, how much harder (impossible?) is it going to be for Joe Schmoe in BFE, USA?

For Linux to win adopters, the people responsible for developing the distros need to make it as easy to install and use as windows is for the basic windows users out there who may want to switch.

Just my $.02.

pps - I'll be downloading Kubuntu 6.10 tomorrow, I'll probably ditch my x300 and get myself a 6200.
 
I can't believe that they will have a new version so soon. I just upgraded to 6.06 a month ago and it was fresh. Windows version cycle takes 2-3 years.
 
Originally posted by: Megatomic
ps - Ubuntu, actually Kubuntu, is my linux flavor of choice. I like it alot, my only gripe is that artwork/wallpaper is far less important than working drivers. And keep this in mind, if I'm a geek and I have a difficult time making my Linksys WiFi card work, how much harder (impossible?) is it going to be for Joe Schmoe in BFE, USA?

For Linux to win adopters, the people responsible for developing the distros need to make it as easy to install and use as windows is for the basic windows users out there who may want to switch.
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Windows realy isn't that easy if you think about it. It's only realy marginally easier then Windows nowadays. Installing programs via synaptic sort of thing is much easier in Linux then what you need to do in windows.

It's just that people are used to it. If you walk up to most people and ask them: "What is a C drive?" they'd at least be able to give you a approximent idea of what that is, maybe 3 out of 4. If you ask them what "X Windows" is they'd probably think it was some sort of japanese cartoon or some sort of teenage slang or something equally bizzare, probably one in 10 or 20 if your very lucky would know what it is.

It's not as rare as it used to be though.. When I was at a airport last messing around with the wifi on my laptop somebody was advertising 'SSH' and 'Workstation' service via zeroconfig (aka Apple's Bonjour/Revendous). I don't think that that gets advertised using OS X which means that it was likely somebody went through the trouble of setting it up in Linux.. (or OS X, but advertising ssh doesn't strike me as something a OS X user would do..) even weirder because no distro provides that functionality by default, you have to install "avahi", which is easily done using Debian or Ubuntu. Very odd.

If anybody wants to have Linux as easy as Windows then the only real way to do it is to have Linux pre-installed on pre-configured hardware that is specificly choosen by professionals for good linux support. That way they will end up with hardware that 'just works' and that will probably solve about half the issues people have.

The other half is dealing with Windows specific games and applications.. which the only real good answer is virtualization. You run XP in a VM environment to run your apps. It's still probably another year before that will be easy enough for a average Linux desktop user to take advantage of.
With OS X right now you have 'Parellels'. Xen is nice though.
 
I thought I'd give the 6.10 version a try. After I got the download started, I had a browse through the hardware support as I wanted to know if my D-Link USB wireless adapter works. It said that it isn't supported "out of the box" and so I was linked to here, at which point I promptly cancelled my download.

I'm not going to go through all that just to get a driver installed/working. Not to mention also that the answer to other common stuff like getting nvidia cards working, is to have to type this and that stuff at the command prompt.

I'm sorry, but this is 2006 now and I can't believe that it's still this complicated to get hardware and software installed. I would've excused the developers a few years ago but today I just haven't got the time to start messing around like this.

Don't get me wrong, Ubuntu does have potential but currently it still comes across as an OS for geeks.
 
Originally posted by: InlineFive
What improvements are there to Server?
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Edgy is not a long term support release. So unless you need the new packages, you want to stay with the current version because it is a LTS release.

You dont want to have to upgrade in 18 months do you?
 
Originally posted by: drag

It's just that people are used to it. If you walk up to most people and ask them: "What is a C drive?" they'd at least be able to give you a approximent idea of what that is, maybe 3 out of 4.
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My wife would have no idea what the "C drive" is. It's probably due to that naivety that she was comfortable with using our Ubuntu laptop faster than I was. Here I was expecting her to b!tch and moan the way people do on here about using it, but she never had to ask me how to do anything or complained about anything EXCEPT for the fact that it didn't have IE. That's probably because IE is about the only thing she uses. Although she didn't have a problem going from Word to Writer, which she also uses.
 
Originally posted by: jazzboy
I thought I'd give the 6.10 version a try. After I got the download started, I had a browse through the hardware support as I wanted to know if my D-Link USB wireless adapter works. It said that it isn't supported "out of the box" and so I was linked to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/RalinkRT73">here</a>, at which point I promptly cancelled my download.

I'm not going to go through all that just to get a driver installed/working. Not to mention also that the answer to other common stuff like getting nvidia cards working, is to have to type this and that stuff at the command prompt.

I'm sorry, but this is 2006 now and I can't believe that it's still this complicated to get hardware and software installed. I would've excused the developers a few years ago but today I just haven't got the time to start messing around like this.

Don't get me wrong, Ubuntu does have potential but currently it still comes across as an OS for geeks.
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Fixed your link.

And holy cr@p that is a lot of work to get a Ralink working. Somebody around here has been championing the Ralinks?! But that is a lot more work than I had to go through to get my "poorly supported" Broadcom card working!
 
Originally posted by: jazzboy
I thought I'd give the 6.10 version a try. After I got the download started, I had a browse through the hardware support as I wanted to know if my D-Link USB wireless adapter works. It said that it isn't supported "out of the box" and so I was linked to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/RalinkRT73">here</a>, at which point I promptly cancelled my download.

I'm not going to go through all that just to get a driver installed/working. Not to mention also that the answer to other common stuff like getting nvidia cards working, is to have to type this and that stuff at the command prompt.

I'm sorry, but this is 2006 now and I can't believe that it's still this complicated to get hardware and software installed. I would've excused the developers a few years ago but today I just haven't got the time to start messing around like this.
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if you would of scrolled down the bottom of the page you'd of noticed that 90% of that page is meaningless.

The cvs driver from rt2x00 website should work and it requires you to compile the driver and add one file to the /etc/modprobe.d directory. And even that is probably unnessicary.

But it's pre-beta code right now so it may not work, or so to say it probably won't work.

Also be aware that the DWL-122 has multiple revisions (guessing at what your aiming at). Each one will probably have different set of chipsets and thus would require different drivers. This is a common problem for wifi hardware makers.. they release completely different devices with the same names for some bizzare reason. Probably to save money on packaging or something.


Don't get me wrong, Ubuntu does have potential but currently it still comes across as an OS for geeks.
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Don't tell that to a lot of non-geeks currently using it right now. You probably wouldn't want to spoil their fun.
 
Originally posted by: Brazen
Originally posted by: jazzboy
I thought I'd give the 6.10 version a try. After I got the download started, I had a browse through the hardware support as I wanted to know if my D-Link USB wireless adapter works. It said that it isn't supported "out of the box" and so I was linked to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/RalinkRT73">here</a>, at which point I promptly cancelled my download.

I'm not going to go through all that just to get a driver installed/working. Not to mention also that the answer to other common stuff like getting nvidia cards working, is to have to type this and that stuff at the command prompt.

I'm sorry, but this is 2006 now and I can't believe that it's still this complicated to get hardware and software installed. I would've excused the developers a few years ago but today I just haven't got the time to start messing around like this.

Don't get me wrong, Ubuntu does have potential but currently it still comes across as an OS for geeks.
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Fixed your link.

And holy cr@p that is a lot of work to get a Ralink working. Somebody around here has been championing the Ralinks?! But that is a lot more work than I had to go through to get my "poorly supported" Broadcom card working!
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That page is mostly misleading. Also this is a relatively new chipset, not many people are going to have it. New new. There are multiple instances of ralink chipsets. Rt2500 are the most common and are well supported on x86 machines.
http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/wiki/index.php?title=Hardware They are commonly found in mini-pci and pci devices.

The Rt2570 is also well supported and those are commonly found in USB devices.

there are 2 revisions of the card he has, both are called DWL-G122 The older version is supported out of the box on Dapper, I beleive although there may be a bug to prevent it from working. The newer one requires newer cvs drivers aviable on that page. You have to compile them yourself and then it would be pretty much it.

Then if they work (with cvs code it is hit or miss unfortunately) then you should be able to leave it all unconfigured and use network-manager to do the work for you, which is completely gui and looks for networks on the fly.

The drivers are a work in development. They'll (the rt2500 and rt2570) will work fine on non-smp x86 computers. The rt61 and rt73 are newer ones.

Check out the forums on that page I linked to for more information.
 
Originally posted by: jazzboy
I thought I'd give the 6.10 version a try. After I got the download started, I had a browse through the hardware support as I wanted to know if my D-Link USB wireless adapter works. It said that it isn't supported "out of the box" and so I was linked to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/RalinkRT73">here</a>, at which point I promptly cancelled my download.

I'm not going to go through all that just to get a driver installed/working. Not to mention also that the answer to other common stuff like getting nvidia cards working, is to have to type this and that stuff at the command prompt.

I'm sorry, but this is 2006 now and I can't believe that it's still this complicated to get hardware and software installed. I would've excused the developers a few years ago but today I just haven't got the time to start messing around like this.

Don't get me wrong, Ubuntu does have potential but currently it still comes across as an OS for geeks.
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Yea I hear ya, That is why I dont use windows. It doesn't support my nework card, wireless nick, video card, or sound card out of the box. I'm sick of jumping though hoops to get my hardware to work.
 
i just insalled the RC yesterday. o well, i guess im ahead of the curve... maybe. very nice distro. best experience ive had with linux is with ubuntu.

bonus1: 3d desktop stuff is incredibly easy to install on edgy. add repo, sudo aptitude install beryl, sudo aptitude install emerald-themes. BAM!
bonus2: flash9beta for linux
bonus3: automatix2

🙂
 
Originally posted by: Brazen
Originally posted by: drag

It's just that people are used to it. If you walk up to most people and ask them: "What is a C drive?" they'd at least be able to give you a approximent idea of what that is, maybe 3 out of 4.
Click to expand...

My wife would have no idea what the "C drive" is. It's probably due to that naivety that she was comfortable with using our Ubuntu laptop faster than I was. Here I was expecting her to b!tch and moan the way people do on here about using it, but she never had to ask me how to do anything or complained about anything EXCEPT for the fact that it didn't have IE. That's probably because IE is about the only thing she uses. Although she didn't have a problem going from Word to Writer, which she also uses.
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Indeed...my wife moved from windows to Debian running KDE without hitch...I have much less problems now, and can easily fix stuff to boot (SSH is the hands down best remote access protocol in the world...)
 
Originally posted by: Megatomic
Originally posted by: nweaver
Originally posted by: Megatomic
You wanna know what would thrill me about Edgy Eft? If it set up my ATI X300 and my Linksys WiFi card automatically and correctly during install. The new artwork does nothing for me, I'd just love to be able to use my machines without having to configure stuff first.
Click to expand...

do those both work out of box with XP, no dirver installs, no configuration required??
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Yes for the ATI card, I can't remember about the Linksys card. It's been a long time since I had to install Windows on my laptop, it's been years actually...

Originally posted by: IamDavid
blame ATI for the VC.. Ububtu for the WiFI
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Dammit, I typed almost this very thing in my post above but deleted it. I just KNEW someone would say that. 😛
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Your ATI card works, full rez, out of box install? 3D support and all?
 
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