Ubisoft: PC Piracy Rate 93-95%

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PrincessFrosty

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Profits are down. Revenue is down. NOT up. This applies to EA, T2, and Blizzard. It's not isolated.

But across the whole gaming industry and even ignoring the console industry where piracy is less of an issue, the total revenue is UP and the profits are UP.

It's a fast growing market, it's boomed since the last console generation and with development studios focusing more and more on multi-platform titles there is less growth in quality in the PC space, so despite stagnation we're still growing.

The problem is that everyone looks at this as an isolated case, or they take it personally, piracy has been reported to be as high as 90% for loads of other titles as well, people aren't picking on Ubisoft or pirating their games more because they're AAA games, even the World of Goo devs claimed 90% piracy rate.

You have to consider the industry as a whole because people pick what games to buy from this large pot of games constantly being developed and released, when you have 100's of games and you can only afford a handful of them people start to pirate the stuff they can't afford, it's not "right" but it's just what happens, like it or not.

So when you look at one game and say we should have zero piracy and 95% is really bad, you're not taking into account that your customers spend money on other games and they could very well buy your game instead pirate it but then it's just less money they spend on another PC game and you shift the piracy elsewhere, even if people stopped pirating completely there's no reason to think there would be a significant increase in sales, you cannot get blood from a stone, quite often people simply DO NOT HAVE the physical currency to pay for what they've pirated...let me make this clear so it's unambiguous THIS DOES NOT FORGIVE PIRACY, I'm not saying this makes it OK, what I'm saying is that fighting this particular type of piracy is a WASTE OF TIME because even if you could beat it (and you cannot) your net result would be zero.

Even if you prosecuted every pirate everywhere for millions, those people would have millions less to spend on games in the next X many years as they pay back their fines, it's pretty fucking simple, people have a finite amount of cash and there is vastly more media to consume than the average person can buy, this is how you get piracy rates at 95% and it's also why 95% piracy rate doesn't mean a 95% drop in sales/revenue.

Try thinking about the big picture for a moment, there are many businesses all struggling and competing with each other for customers money, the businesses that make it are the ones which do the best job, development studios like Valve are ROLLING IN CASH, because they're appealing to their fan base and giving them what they want.

I have no sympathy for the wankers like the decision makers at Ubisoft, they've made the concious decision to fuck over their customers in the short term in a futile attempt to make a quick buck and destroyed long term relationships giving themselves a bad name, same with EA, they dug their own graves.
 

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Well, if piracy is the problem then Ubi definitely has the solution. They may or may not make any more money, but it's obvious when a game is sufficiently Pay2Win a majority of players will be payers.

You can debate the morality of piracy all you want. My take: in a perfect world people wouldn't have what they can't or don't want to pay for, including software. Ubi's on the right track for not having users that don't pay for Ubi's products.

For me the title that burned my ass the hardest was Master of Orion III. I forget if it was $49 or $59 + tax that I would have been far happier flushing down the toilet instead. Honorable mention to Deus Ex II. Since those two I've exclusively bought games at extreme sale prices (Steam or other), and stuck to a couple long lived MMOs and a few F2P games my friends play. Reviews from sites making their living from ADVERTISING OF TITLES THEY REVIEW are for the most part worthless. Demos may not be representative of gameplay, or worse yet, may be the entirety of gameplay. Online "fans" may be paid astroturfers. The only way to win with the current state of gaming is to buy at extreme discount and hope you get at least one good title for every $50 or so spent.

The future trends are definitely Pay2Win and crank up the advantage for paying if you aren't making enough cash. Not sure how that works for single player titles Ubi mostly cranks out, but if they've got that figured out more power to them.
 

shortylickens

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I paid full price for MOO 3 and was very upset.

Paid a couple bucks for Deus Ex 2 on Steam so it was easier to swallow.
 

HeXen

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I hate to see how upset you guys get when you purchase a Toaster at walmart and realize you don't like it as much as you would have if you saved your money for another brand. Of course in the digital world, you can't take it back to the store but that is just how the world is and is why its time to be adult and do your homework first. Go rent a console version and try the game out, read some reviews, ask from other gamers, watch some gameplay vids. There's no excuse to purchase a bad game or what is bad in your opinion and therefore no excuses to be pirating.
That's why i have a PS3. Rent first, buy later.
 

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Ubisoft couldn't even sell me their games for $1 because of their DRM and then they go complain about piracy? If I pirated those games I wouldn't have to install uplay, so why should I buy?
 
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To be somewhat fair, I (and most people I game with) kind of pirate every game they make. We buy them, but then download DRM stripped/Steam stripped versions because we don't allow either. So...they ARE being pirated, but it's not hurting their bottom line at all.
 

Red Storm

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To be somewhat fair, I (and most people I game with) kind of pirate every game they make. We buy them, but then download DRM stripped/Steam stripped versions because we don't allow either. So...they ARE being pirated, but it's not hurting their bottom line at all.

If you were truly against DRM, it'd make much more sense if you didn't buy or pirate the game at all.
 

ImpulsE69

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I hate to see how upset you guys get when you purchase a Toaster at walmart and realize you don't like it as much as you would have if you saved your money for another brand. Of course in the digital world, you can't take it back to the store but that is just how the world is and is why its time to be adult and do your homework first. Go rent a console version and try the game out, read some reviews, ask from other gamers, watch some gameplay vids. There's no excuse to purchase a bad game or what is bad in your opinion and therefore no excuses to be pirating.
That's why i have a PS3. Rent first, buy later.

.....You can take the toaster back if you don't like it and anyone who knows anything about the topic would already know that's a well established argument. Oh and in case you haven't been keeping up on current events lately, rentals are on the way out. There are plenty of excuses to buy a bad product (in any market) and anyone who thinks otherwise and that you shouldn't have the option to return said bad product is just another part of the problem of the continuing push against the consumers, and more than likely selling bad products. Customer service in this day and age has went way downhill. Companies seem to have this we deserve your business attitude even when they don't. Gaming companies are about the worst of the bunch at this point because they can use trumped up pirating #'s to push their agenda, when the reality is, if they were doing so bad and making no money they would be out of business, period. Next they'll be asking for government bailouts. There needs to be a point where companies are held accountable for bad business and allowed to fail. They do not take accountability for anything they do. Is pirating a problem? Sure it might be, but so many of these same companies are posting huge and growing profits every year. We are the ones being raped, not them.

As for Pay2Win, well, it's just another of a long line of bandwagon thoughts going on right now. For it to even be a feasable way for them to make money it has to be a game that people WANT to play and are WILLING to put cash to. Company B sees company A making tons of money with a certain marketing scheme and says, oh we should do that, then fails miserably. Look at MMO's, there are very few that actually last. F2P will be the same way.
 
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v8envy

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I hate to see how upset you guys get when you purchase a Toaster at walmart and realize you don't like it as much as you would have if you saved your money for another brand. Of course in the digital world, you can't take it back to the store but that is just how the world is and is why its time to be adult and do your homework first. Go rent a console version and try the game out, read some reviews, ask from other gamers, watch some gameplay vids. There's no excuse to purchase a bad game or what is bad in your opinion and therefore no excuses to be pirating.
That's why i have a PS3. Rent first, buy later.

Upset? Hardly. This is not a matter of emotion, it's a matter of convenience. Cracked titles are far less annoying and provide a better value than heavily DRMed games. People are lazy, and putting in the work you do for EVERY game to come out is simply harder and less convenient than firing up a torrent. Besides, someone always has to be first to get the bad game so their friends can ask them about it.

While I agree that in a perfect black and white world people would do what others ask them nicely (e.g. don't play my game unless you pay me), but the reality is: doing what YOU do vs downloading torrents has an identical outcome. People will spend their gaming budget on games they like, and won't on games they don't like. Your path simply requires more effort.

Oh, and console games are not the same as PC games. Even direct ports. I have a PS3 and an Xbox360 and a Gamefly account. And plenty of redbox kiosks on the way home. But I can still see why someone would torrent PC games even if they owned consoles.
 

shortylickens

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I hate to see how upset you guys get when you purchase a Toaster at walmart and realize you don't like it as much as you would have if you saved your money for another brand. Of course in the digital world, you can't take it back to the store but that is just how the world is and is why its time to be adult and do your homework first. Go rent a console version and try the game out, read some reviews, ask from other gamers, watch some gameplay vids. There's no excuse to purchase a bad game or what is bad in your opinion and therefore no excuses to be pirating.
That's why i have a PS3. Rent first, buy later.

I research before I buy a toaster. Strangely, reviews on toasters tend to be a lot more objective than video games. They dont have blind, stupid fanboys.
 

Pr0d1gy

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But I can still see why someone would torrent PC games even if they owned consoles.

Portal 2 is one of the few games that actually adressed this by including a free PC copy from Steam with a PS3 version purchase. I wish more companies did this because I really don't feel like it is right to have to buy a version for both platforms. That said, I don't pirate anything, I just don't bother buying much of anything anymore....on any platform.

It's amazing how much I have saved with that philosophy.
 

ImpulsE69

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That said, I don't pirate anything, I just don't bother buying much of anything anymore....on any platform.

It's amazing how much I have saved with that philosophy.

This. I recognize I've become jaded so I'm very particular about what I purchase and 99% will not pay full retail. I don't call that not supporting the dev, I call that $$ smarts. There seems to be this other mentality in the community that if you don't preorder and pay $59 for a game you are an evil person. I'm not sure where that mentality came from, but it's ass backwards.
 

shortylickens

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Portal 2 is one of the few games that actually adressed this by including a free PC copy from Steam with a PS3 version purchase. I wish more companies did this because I really don't feel like it is right to have to buy a version for both platforms. That said, I don't pirate anything, I just don't bother buying much of anything anymore....on any platform.

It's amazing how much I have saved with that philosophy.

Also if you buy it on Steam you get a 75% off coupon. If we all pass them around theoretically only the first person had to pay full price.
 

Nvidiaguy07

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Portal 2 is one of the few games that actually adressed this by including a free PC copy from Steam with a PS3 version purchase. I wish more companies did this because I really don't feel like it is right to have to buy a version for both platforms. That said, I don't pirate anything, I just don't bother buying much of anything anymore....on any platform.

It's amazing how much I have saved with that philosophy.

didnt know that. Did they do this with the 360 version too?
 

marmasatt

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Ubisoft Bullshit Rate: 93-95%

What a steaming pile of crap. I mean let's break it down....First of all, approximately 67.7% of stat's are just made up. That leaves 32.3 % of stats as being legitimate figures. If you factor in that some people don't even know this ratio, they will be fooled into believing stats automatically. Thats essentially a 2 out of 3 shot of being wrong. If you believe the stats they are providing, you have a 50/50 shot at winning. It's a crapshoot. Basically, you have to consider whether it's a legit stat vs. it's complete bullshit. Once you make the decision, you are in a much better position for a favorable outcome. If you know it's BS, then just call it that and you don't need to pay attention to the numbers. If you believe the figures, then just stand by the numbers... as numbers don't lie.
 
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If you were truly against DRM, it'd make much more sense if you didn't buy or pirate the game at all.

Yes, but I want to play it. It's the only compromise I can find that's semi-reasonable. This way the creators (the REAL creators, not the company) still get paid for their work, and I get to enjoy a game as it should have been.
 

ImpulsE69

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Yes, but I want to play it. It's the only compromise I can find that's semi-reasonable. This way the creators (the REAL creators, not the company) still get paid for their work, and I get to enjoy a game as it should have been.

I agree with this. Anyone who thinks otherwise is thick in the head.

/troll
 
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