Ubisoft - paid in full by Nvidia?

[apoppin]

apoppin,

if you are reading, does AMD reviewer's guide tell you to test their GPU's on intel CPU's? I assume yes since they want their GPUs shown in the best possible light, which is only possible when using competitor CPU's?

just curious....

i got 4 hours sleep. Looking at flamewars always wakes me up better than caffeine
:biggrin:

AMD's reviewer's guide suggests nothing of the sort. They use their own flagship x6 Phenom II to bench the new videocards.

 

[n0x1ous]

So you were pulling a Rip Van Winkle from September of last year until April this year ? And plan to hibernate again next month ?

When do you get anything done away from from posting here with these extended absences from reality you take ?

I think his point is that in the last few generations (regardless of the release time of the gpu) the nv gpu has been higher performance than the AMD one that it competed against in the same generation.

G80>R600
GT200 > Rv770
GF100> Rv870

Yes we all know that people don't buy GPU's they buy videocards, but in each of these generations, the Nv solution at the very top end has been the fastest

G80 easily over R600 in any config, GTX 280/285 sli double or triple over 4870x2 quad sli or any number of 4870's or gtx 295 sli over 4870 x2 sli, and today 3 or 4 480's over 2 5970's or 3 or 4 5870's

 

[n0x1ous]

i got 4 hours sleep. Looking at flamewars always wakes me up better than caffeine
:biggrin:

AMD's reviewer's guide suggests nothing of the sort. They use their own flagship x6 Phenom II to bench the new videocards.

thank you! that does surprise me because they could show higher performance with intel chips in the reviews, but I say Kudo's to AMD for that!

 

[Lonbjerg]

So you were pulling a Rip Van Winkle from September of last year until April this year ? And plan to hibernate again next month ?

When do you get anything done away from from posting here with these extended absences from reality you take ?

I fail to see anything but Ad Hominem in your post?

 

[Grooveriding]

I think his point is that in the last few generations (regardless of the release time of the gpu) the nv gpu has been higher performance than the AMD one that it competed against in the same generation.

G80>R600
GT200 > Rv770
GF100> Rv870

Yes we all know that people don't buy GPU's they buy videocards, but in each of these generations, the Nv solution at the very top end has been the fastest

G80 easily over R600 in any config, GTX 280/285 sli double or triple over 4870x2 quad or gtx 295 sli over 4870 x2 sli, and today 3 or 4 480's over 2 5970's or 3 or 4 5870's

Your post is not logical. From September of 2009 to April of 2010 AMD had the fastest GPU. From September of 2009 to present AMD has had the fastest video card. In November next month, it is assumed AMD will again have the fastest GPU and continue to have the fastest video card.

If folks want to post stuff, post stuff that is factual. You put your posts in a poor light when you try to spin the angles to claim something that is not true is true. This is not politics.

NV has had the fastest GPU from April of this year until present. Before that AMD had the fastest GPU from September of the year prior. These are the facts.

So his original post alluding to AMD having never had the fastest GPU is rot. We could expand on this to reference the 9800Pro or the X800XT. This is all pointless. Stop posting blatantly false crap.

 

[Lonyo]

thank you! that does surprise me because they could show higher performance with intel chips in the reviews, but I say Kudo's to AMD for that!

Well if you look at the tests, typically CPU (once fast enough) doesn't impact average FPS much anyway, so even a Phenom II X4 would be fast enough.
Most games seem to be GPU limited.
The only place it might make a difference would be minimum FPS, and the i7 is much better at that than the AMD Phenom II's it seems, and NV also seems better than AMD for GPU minimum FPS, so in fact using a Phenom II might allow them to mask some of the minimum FPS difference while not impacting average FPS, showing AMD in a better light.

Of course, the real reason they recommend an X6 is probably because it's their own CPU, but it might also show them in a better light in other ways, if anyone listened at all to their guidelines.

 

[NIGELG]

I buy high-ned, only thing I care for is performance.
The rest is just PR-fluff to remove focus from performance.

Wake me up when AMD makes a GPU that is faster than NVIDIA's...

Wake up.... the 5970 is the fastest card out there....right?Or did you mean single GPU?

 

[Grooveriding]

I fail to see anything but Ad Hominem in your post?

I can't comment on your inability to understand the facts without getting an infraction.

Clearly you're fishing for one considering your usage of our forum moderators commonly used term for inappropriate posts.

 

[Lonbjerg]

Wake up.... the 5970 is the fastest card out there....right?Or did you mean single GPU?

It was what I wrote..so lets just presume that was what I meant, mkay?

And the 5970 is not always the faster card.
A single GTX480 beats it hands down in BattleForge...and gamed AMD touted for it's use of DX11...they stopped doing that after "fermi" got relased...you can figure out why now...can't you?

 

[Lonbjerg]

I can't comment on your inability to understand the facts without getting an infraction.

Clearly you're fishing for one considering your usage of our forum moderators commonly used term for inappropriate posts.

If you have a problem with my posts, use the report post button.
I remember you now...you ran from the PhysX thread, because your claims were debunked...you hold a grugde?

 

[n0x1ous]

Your post is not logical. From September of 2009 to April of 2010 AMD had the fastest GPU. From September of 2009 to present AMD has had the fastest video card. In November next month, it is assumed AMD will again have the fastest GPU and continue to have the fastest video card.

If folks want to post stuff, post stuff that is factual. You put your posts in a poor light when you try to spin the angles to claim something that is not true is true. This is not politics.

NV has had the fastest GPU from April of this year until present. Before that AMD had the fastest GPU from September of the year prior. These are the facts.

So his original post alluding to AMD having never had the fastest GPU is rot. We could expand on this to reference the 9800Pro or the X800XT. This is all pointless. Stop posting blatantly false crap.

this is hilarious, everything I posted is true. I never disputed the time frames that AMD had the faster GPU, i only compared the competing products in a given generation. If you want to go by time than sure AMD has been much better over the last year, but not for the previous two generations when Nv launched first.

how is saying that G80 competed with R600, GT200 vs rv770, and Gf100 vs rv870 "blatantly false crap"? those were the products that competed against each other in their generations

 

[bryanW1995]

It was what I wrote..so lets just presume that was what I meant, mkay?

And the 5970 is not always the faster card.
A single GTX480 beats it hands down in BattleForge...and gamed AMD touted for it's use of DX11...they stopped doing that after "fermi" got relased...you can figure out why now...can't you?

now you are being ridiculous. 2900xt was faster in a very few games than 8800gtx. which one was the faster card?

are you going to stay here and continue defending nvidia when cayman xt launches, or will you go back into hiding?

 

[n0x1ous]

Well if you look at the tests, typically CPU (once fast enough) doesn't impact average FPS much anyway, so even a Phenom II X4 would be fast enough.
Most games seem to be GPU limited.
The only place it might make a difference would be minimum FPS, and the i7 is much better at that than the AMD Phenom II's it seems, and NV also seems better than AMD for GPU minimum FPS, so in fact using a Phenom II might allow them to mask some of the minimum FPS difference while not impacting average FPS, showing AMD in a better light.

Of course, the real reason they recommend an X6 is probably because it's their own CPU, but it might also show them in a better light in other ways, if anyone listened at all to their guidelines.

thank you Lonyo, that is a great explanation and that makes alot of sense:thumbsup:

 

[Lonbjerg]

now you are being ridiculous. 2900xt was faster in a very few games than 8800gtx. which one was the faster card?

What games (3Dmark is not a game) did the XT2900 beat the 8800GTX?
I fail to find any:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/2231/19

are you going to stay here and continue defending nvidia when cayman xt launches, or will you go back into hiding?

Where did that fallacy about me hiding come from?

GF + daughter > hardware forums...sorry if this is all you have.

 

[BFG10K]

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