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U2412M disappointment

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kaihonsou

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Hello,

Im sitting with the U2412M in front of me, blindingly bright. I don't know if im happy with my purchese or not.

I was using a 22" Samsung T220 with a Gainward 460SE.

1) The main motivation for upgrading was more size. Its definitely bigger, but its odd. When you look side to side, its bigger, but when you look at the center of the screen it feels the same as the 22".

2) Far Cry 3 with very high settings ran at 40fps with the 460SE. At 1920x1200 it runs at 38fps. I was going to buy a Catleap but couldn't afford a 7950 to run it. I was expected much sharper image quality from the higher res and expecting a hit, but that's not the case. I could of bought a 7850 (much more powerful then my current card) and a catleap and have (hopefully) more wow factor.

The two things that I do like, is the image quality in general is amazing. There are so many more colors in everything. Endless Space looks truly amazing and I can see much more detail in the planets then I could with the T220. I could also sell this much more easier if I wanted a catleap.

For me, I should of made the jump from a 22" to a 27". You definitely don't need a 7950 minimum for a 27" 2560x1440. On most reviews my 460SE should be struggling but its not.

Just wanted to share this. I have major wife-agro over this new monitor and I have to pretend I love it otherwise she will kill me.
 
Well from 22" to 24" the difference is not really that big considering it is the diameter they count, not the sides.
I have the U2412M and it really is a great monitor. Next to it I have parked a 27" 2560x1440 Hazro which doesn't look incredibly bigger either.
At least you have a nice resolution and IPS now, not the old crappy 1680x1050 🙂
 
kaihonsou said:
Hello,

Im sitting with the U2412M in front of me, blindingly bright. I don't know if im happy with my purchese or not.

I was using a 22" Samsung T220 with a Gainward 460SE.

1) The main motivation for upgrading was more size. Its definitely bigger, but its odd. When you look side to side, its bigger, but when you look at the center of the screen it feels the same as the 22".

2) Far Cry 3 with very high settings ran at 40fps with the 460SE. At 1920x1200 it runs at 38fps. I was going to buy a Catleap but couldn't afford a 7950 to run it. I was expected much sharper image quality from the higher res and expecting a hit, but that's not the case. I could of bought a 7850 (much more powerful then my current card) and a catleap and have (hopefully) more wow factor.

The two things that I do like, is the image quality in general is amazing. There are so many more colors in everything. Endless Space looks truly amazing and I can see much more detail in the planets then I could with the T220. I could also sell this much more easier if I wanted a catleap.

For me, I should of made the jump from a 22" to a 27". You definitely don't need a 7950 minimum for a 27" 2560x1440. On most reviews my 460SE should be struggling but its not.

Just wanted to share this. I have major wife-agro over this new monitor and I have to pretend I love it otherwise she will kill me.
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First off, bright is bad. You want the screen to be bright enough to see comfortably in a well-lit room and no brighter. Turn down the brightness and the screen will look much nicer. As an example, I have my U2410 set to 16 (out of 100).

Second is you probably didn't have your expectations properly in line when you bought the monitor. You say that the image quality in general is amazing. Well, that's what the big difference between a TN and an IPS is supposed to be!
 
mfenn said:
First off, bright is bad. You want the screen to be bright enough to see comfortably in a well-lit room and no brighter. Turn down the brightness and the screen will look much nicer. As an example, I have my U2410 set to 16 (out of 100).

Second is you probably didn't have your expectations properly in line when you bought the monitor. You say that the image quality in general is amazing. Well, that's what the big difference between a TN and an IPS is supposed to be!
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I'm thinking that 16 might be a touch extreme (mine is normally at 40, and 16 was... stunningly dark, to say the least), but this is really good advice. Excessively high brightness (and contrast) will wash out colors and hurt your eyes. On the other hand, if it's too low, you're going to strain to read text, and that's no good either.

I would set it down by intervals of 10 and then try to read a short paragraph (preferably from the same website each time, so you can really compare the difference). Pay attention to how your eyes feel afterward--they should feel no different from if you were reading a book in the same room and lighting conditions. Once a jump of 10 feels like too much, go upward by 2s and you'll find, more or less, the perfect setting for you.

Additionally, 2 inches is not that big of a difference in size. For an average male, that's not even the length of your thumb outward diagonally, so of course you didn't see any big gains. You'd have to make a 5+ inch jump to really see a difference; I jumped from 16 inches to 22.5 inches, and the difference was huge.
 
Send it to me if you don't like it. I went from two old Gateway 1680x1050 TN panels to a duo of 2412M last summer and happy with the results.
 
I have the brightness down to 35 at the moment. R@96 G@95 B@87.

Before I bought this new monitor, I did my research and went with one post out of many others that the jump from a 22" to a 24" was worth it.

I was disappointing after turning it on, but I was mainly looking at the actual size that I forgot about the colors which im starting to appreciate. Like I said, it doesnt really do anything for my peripheral vision but everything looks amazing. Far Cry 3 looks much more detailed from a color perspective.

Since I don't need to upgrade my 460SE (yet) I might be able to save a bit more for a 7950, and maybe then at 60fps and super high AA It might be worth it.

Thanks for the replies. Just wanted to share the pain a little. I should add though that the upgrade was a disappointment, the actual monitor is 10/10.
 
Sleepingforest said:
I'm thinking that 16 might be a touch extreme (mine is normally at 40, and 16 was... stunningly dark, to say the least), but this is really good advice.
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You also have a different monitor than I do, which is yet again different than what the OP has. The scales aren't the same, even within the same brand. I just gave the value that I used to let the OP know that a value between 15-30 was not unreasonable (well south 50 at any rate).
 
kaihonsou said:
I was disappointing after turning it on, but I was mainly looking at the actual size that I forgot about the colors which im starting to appreciate. Like I said, it doesnt really do anything for my peripheral vision but everything looks amazing. Far Cry 3 looks much more detailed from a color perspective.
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Yep, it's all about expectations. I'm sorry that you went in there with your expectations set in the "miraculous" zone, because it sounds like the monitor is really doing exactly what it was intended to do (i.e. produce good color). Once you get used to IPS colors, you will never want to go back to TN! 🙂
 
1) The main motivation for upgrading was more size. Its definitely bigger, but its odd. When you look side to side, its bigger, but when you look at the center of the screen it feels the same as the 22".
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That's to be expected. 22" at 1680x1050 is practically the same height as 24" at 1920x1080. Only 30 pixel difference vertically, so almost all of the diagonal increase is to horizontal area

I was expected much sharper image quality from the higher res
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Unfortunately, higher resolution doesnt increase sharpness. Higher pixel density does. The new monitor has the same pixel density because it's bigger in area and resolution. A 22" monitor at 1080p would've produced a sharper image. A 27" monitor at 1080p would've been bigger but produced a less sharp image. And 27" at 1440p would've been both bigger and sharper
 
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I went from an old 19" LCD (Circa 2003), to a 27" U2710. First thing I thought when I took it out of the box was "Where the heck am I going to put this?!" 😛
 
I'm on a similar boat as the OP. I'm planning on buying a new IPS panel. I come from a 22-inch LG monitor (1680x1050). I'm between OP's U2412M and the S2740L from Dell as well. I'm gonna use it mainly for gaming. But I'm still undecided on what would be a better choice. :$
 
Shanliang said:
I'm on a similar boat as the OP. I'm planning on buying a new IPS panel. I come from a 22-inch LG monitor (1680x1050). I'm between OP's U2412M and the S2740L from Dell as well. I'm gonna use it mainly for gaming. But I'm still undecided on what would be a better choice. :$
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The U2412M should be a better monitor overall. Better panel type, I believe, and smaller screen so better pixel density. Unless you need the extra size, it's more comfortable to have a 24" screen.
 
Avalon said:
Went from a Dell 2209WA to the 2412m and I love it. Sorry that you're disappointed...
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Hi there.

I don't have 25 posts (to send PM), so I'd like to ask question here in topic, is it worth to switch from 2209WA to U2412M? I have a chance to do it almost without any costs but I heard that U2412M is not as good as 2209WA? I'm using my monitor for 3ds max, sometimes Photoshop, gaming, web surfing, reading.

I'll be grateful for your opinion.

Thanks.
 
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Important bit of info: who told you /where did you hear that U2412M is not as good as 2209WA?

One thing to note when comparing the two is that while image quality definitely counts, 2412M is 24" @ 1920x1200 with LED backlight, while 2209WA is 22" @ 1680x1050 without LED backlight.
 
I just got a u2412m myself! Out of the box it was BLINDINGLY bright. Like, avert your eyes, bright. Almost all of the presets I found to be insanely bright also.

I have it turned down to around 12-15. Colors still look amazing (I'm coming from 19in 4:3 TNs), my real estate feels humongous, AND my eyes no longer have after-images burned into them 🙂
 
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lehtv said:
Important bit of info: who told you /where did you hear that U2412M is not as good as 2209WA?

One thing to note when comparing the two is that while image quality definitely counts, 2412M is 24" @ 1920x1200 with LED backlight, while 2209WA is 22" @ 1680x1050 without LED backlight.
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Hi, thanks for answer.

I just read some tests i.e.(http://www.prad.de/en/monitore/review/2011/review-dell-u2412m.html)

Other tests saying that U2412m has emulation A-FRC 6bit per channel (2209WA has 8bit) so it doesn't reproduce full sRGB, also slightly worse input lag, so it's not so good in dynamic scenes or gamin.

Correct me if I'm wrong. 🙂
 
Shanliang said:
I'm on a similar boat as the OP. I'm planning on buying a new IPS panel. I come from a 22-inch LG monitor (1680x1050). I'm between OP's U2412M and the S2740L from Dell as well. I'm gonna use it mainly for gaming. But I'm still undecided on what would be a better choice. :$
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The 27" is native 1080p so you will get full screeen with HD video...the U2412 will have some gap though because its 19x12 res.
 
I have two of these, one wants 33 brightness, the other wants 31 to hit a luminance of 120cd/m^2 so I'm sort of curious to know what luminance you guys get at <20.
 
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