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U.S. vacates Baghdad palace ahead of handover

winnar111

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081231/ts_nm/us_iraq

BAGHDAD (Reuters) ? U.S. officials withdrew on Wednesday from the Saddam Hussein-era palace they have occupied in Baghdad since 2003, a sign of the change of power when their troops come under Iraqi authority at midnight.

The U.S. force in Iraq, now more than 140,000 strong, has operated since 2003 under a U.N. Security Council resolution which expires at midnight on New Year's Eve. From January 1, U.S. troops will operate with authority granted by the Iraqi government under a pact agreed by Washington and Baghdad.

The pact -- viewed by both countries as a milestone in restoring Iraqi sovereignty -- requires U.S. troops to leave in three years, revokes their power to hold Iraqis without charge and subjects contractors and off-duty troops to Iraqi law.

Iraq also reached a deal with Washington's main ally Britain on Tuesday giving its 4,100 troops until the end of July to depart. Small contingents from Australia, El Salvador, Romania, Estonia and the NATO alliance will also leave in 2009.

U.S. and Iraqi officials are planning a ceremony for the morning of New Year's Day to formally hand over control of the Green Zone, the heavily fortified central sector of the capital that houses Western diplomats and Iraqi government offices.

In recent weeks U.S. diplomats have gradually moved into a newly-built compound, the world's largest U.S. embassy, leaving behind a sprawling yellow marble palace of ousted dictator Saddam, which looms over the Tigris River.

"The palace will be in the possession of the Iraqi government from January 1, 2009," U.S. embassy spokeswoman Susan Ziadeh said of the ornate building, where Americans worked beneath garish frescoes depicting Saddam's arsenal of missiles.

SYMBOL

U.S. officials ruled Iraq directly from the palace for more than a year after toppling Saddam in 2003, and it has remained a symbol of what many Iraqis consider a military occupation even as their nascent elected government has gained confidence.

Iraq's security spokesman for Baghdad, Major-General Qassim Moussawi, said Iraqi forces would take responsibility for guarding the Green Zone, with U.S. troops acting in support.

After years of extreme sectarian violence, Iraq has become far less bloody over the past year, although militants still launch bomb attacks frequently targeting civilians.

In the ethnically divided northern city of Mosul, a base for Sunni militants, gunmen on Wednesday killed a candidate standing in provincial elections due at the end of January. A car bomb killed four people and wounded 45 in the nearby town of Sinjar.

U.S. officials expect violence to rise as the poll nears.

The U.S. military announced the deaths of two soldiers, bringing the total killed by hostile action in December to seven, still among the lowest tolls since the war began.

Iraq Body Count, a group which monitors media reports of civilian deaths, says 2008 was the least deadly year of a war that has killed at least 90,000 Iraqi civilians. The group still tallied an average of about 25 civilians killed per day over the course of 2008, mostly in the first half of the year.

Under the bilateral pact which takes effect from midnight, U.S. combat forces will withdraw from Iraqi towns and cities by mid-2009 and all troops must leave by the end of 2011.

They will remain under U.S. command but will require authorization from a joint U.S.-Iraqi committee to carry out military operations and can arrest people only with warrants from Iraqi judges.

Some 15,000 prisoners held at U.S. military detention camps must either be charged with crimes under Iraqi law or set free, although the procedure for doing so may take many months.

Contractors working for U.S. troops will be subject to Iraqi criminal law, and U.S. soldiers can be tried in Iraqi courts in narrow circumstances for serious crimes committed off duty.


We have clearly succeeded in our mission. Congrats to everyone on a job well done and a happy new year to the coalition.
 
Originally posted by: winnar111
We have clearly succeeded in our mission. Congrats to everyone on a job well done and a happy new year to the coalition.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Mission accomplished?
 
Originally posted by: winnar111
off duty.


We have clearly succeeded in our mission. Congrats to everyone on a job well done and a happy new year to the coalition.

Uh, you may want to hold the champagne for now, Chuck; it ain't over yet.
 
Originally posted by: winnar111
We have clearly succeeded in our mission. Congrats to everyone on a job well done and a happy new year to the coalition.

Now if only we knew what that mission was.
 
While I question the political goals of the mission, I acknowledge that things aren't as bad as they were, and I certainly wish our troops and the Iraqis well and a Happy New Year. They certainly can use one.
 
Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Originally posted by: winnar111
We have clearly succeeded in our mission. Congrats to everyone on a job well done and a happy new year to the coalition.

Now if only we knew what that mission was.

Iraqi freedom of course.

And finding weapons of mass destruction or something like that. I don't quite remember since I just blindly follow what my leaders tell me.
 
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: winnar111
We have clearly succeeded in our mission. Congrats to everyone on a job well done and a happy new year to the coalition.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Mission accomplished?

Who knows anymore? They keep moving the goal posts don't they. BTW - the OP is still a chicken hawk no matter how many proxies and screen names he can come up with. Pathetic loser.
 
Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
While I question the political goals of the mission, I acknowledge that things aren't as bad as they were, and I certainly wish our troops and the Iraqis well and a Happy New Year. They certainly can use one.
I think it was to turn Iraq into "shining example of democracy and freedom" such that the other Middle East countries would want to emulate it. Remember, "freedom is on the march."
 
Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Originally posted by: winnar111
We have clearly succeeded in our mission. Congrats to everyone on a job well done and a happy new year to the coalition.

Now if only we knew what that mission was.

They greeted us as the great liberators remember? Cheney told us so.
 
Originally posted by: winnar111
We have clearly succeeded in our mission. Congrats to everyone on a job well done and a happy new year to the coalition.
You are the world's gayest cheerleader, you know that? You're just like W in his undergrad years, shaking the pom pomps, shaking your ass, assembling the human pyramid for your ingrateful Iraqi subjects. Lame, soooooo lame. And everyone knows it.

Happy new year! :gift:
 
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
They greeted us as the great liberators remember? Cheney told us so.

actually they did greet us like that. But our administration fucked it up beyond belief. read about, really, its all starting to come out about how bad they fuuuuuucked it up.
 
Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
They greeted us as the great liberators remember? Cheney told us so.
actually they did greet us like that. But our administration fucked it up beyond belief. read about, really, its all starting to come out about how bad they fuuuuuucked it up.
They were so elated, they stole everything that wasn't nailed down.
 
Originally posted by: her209
They were so elated, they stole everything that wasn't nailed down.

the same would happen here. We made no plans to police the place during those early years. Disgusting. It was total anarchy. Then we fired everyone who was working in the government at the time? Wtfbbq? We didn't know how to run that place. Then we disarmed the army even though they were ready to help us secure the country. omgwtfbbq? All of those people without jobs. An entire MILITARY fired. WTf were they thinking? No we fucked that thing up good. They will teach this fuck up for hundreds of years.
 
Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
Originally posted by: her209
They were so elated, they stole everything that wasn't nailed down.

the same would happen here. We made no plans to police the place during those early years. Disgusting. It was total anarchy. Then we fired everyone who was working in the government at the time? Wtfbbq? We didn't know how to run that place. Then we disarmed the army even though they were ready to help us secure the country. omgwtfbbq? All of those people without jobs. An entire MILITARY fired. WTf were they thinking? No we fucked that thing up good. They will teach this fuck up for hundreds of years.

Don't forget all of the grotesquely partisan appointees.

"Are you competent?"
"Yes, I have done this sort of thing for decades with great success, here's my resume, I am eager to do my duty to America and help Iraq."
"What's your stance on Roe v. Wade?"
"Uh...what does that have to do with anything?"
"You're out of here. Hey, you, intern #5, get out of Larry Craig's bathroom and get dressed. You're the new chief of Operation Fvck-The-Taxpayer over in Iraq."

While I don't think we ever should have gone into Iraq, it took a colossal amount of mismanagement to get it to the point where it is now. It actually COULD have been a beacon of democracy if they hadn't F'd it up.
 
ohh yeah I forgot about the kids right out of college in charge of the traffic flow of Baghdad 😕 omgwtfbbq?
 
The dictator Saddam lived in this large palace, and then we oust him, and we live in this large palace and "U.S. officials ruled Iraq directly from the palace for more than a year after toppling Saddam in 2003, and it has remained a symbol of what many Iraqis consider a military occupation even as their nascent elected government has gained confidence. "

Am I the only one who sees the hypocrisy here?
 
Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
ohh yeah I forgot about the kids right out of college in charge of the traffic flow of Baghdad 😕 omgwtfbbq?

It wasn't random kids, it was kids who had applied to work at a right-wing think tank so that their one key attribute was right-wing ideological loyalty, and it was far more than traffic, it was a wide range of Iraq's institutions that they were put in charge of to disastrous result. But there's no law against such gross harmful negligence.

And it wasn't just for negligence, it was part of a larger plan to install a Milton Friedman right-wing economic model on the country, as had been done disastrously in other places to a lesser extent, from Indonesia to Chile with Pinochet and elsewhere, but the insurgency prevented much of the plans, including the Chalabi leadership.

Read about the plans in Naomi Klein's outstanding "Shock Doctrine".
 
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200...ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_iraq

Iraq takes control of Green Zone from US



BAGHDAD ? The United States handed over control of the Green Zone and Saddam Hussein's presidential palace to Iraqi authorities on Thursday in a ceremonial move described by the country's prime minister as a restoration of Iraq's sovereignty.

At a ceremony marking the transition, Nouri al-Maliki said he will propose Jan. 1 be declared a national holiday to commemorate what he called "Sovereignty Day" ? the day Iraq took the lead in security away from U.S. forces, regained control of its airspace and reclaimed a wide swath of Baghdad's heavily fortified Green Zone. Iraq already marks New Year's Day as a holiday.

The area that became known as the Green Zone on the west bank of the Tigris River was occupied by the United States shortly after the 2003 U.S. invasion and walled off from the rest of the city.

Until Wednesday, Saddam's former palace formally served as the U.S. Embassy and headquarters of the U.S military in Iraq. Thursday's palace handover was mostly ceremonial, as most U.S. diplomats and military officials long since moved to a new embassy building on the other side of the Green Zone, which is also known as the International Zone.

"This palace is the symbol of Iraqi sovereignty and by restoring it, a real message is directed to all Iraqi people that Iraqi sovereignty has returned to its natural status," al-Maliki said.

"We have the right to be proud and to be happy and to hold celebrations these days, especially on this day," said al-Maliki, adding he would submit his national holiday proposal to the cabinet. "This day is to be remembered and we have the right to consider it a national day."

The 4-square-mile area along the Tigris is separated from the city by a 13-foot-high wall of reinforced concrete, dotted with watch towers and machine gun nests.

Restricted to U.S. and Coalition personnel, several other embassies, Iraqi ministries and parliament, it was considered the most potent and visible sign of American occupation and had often come under insurgent attacks.

Although now under Iraqi control, it is unlikely to be dismantled any time soon because of the violence persisting around Baghdad ? despite an overall dramatic drop in attacks and killings nationwide.

But violence continued Thursday.

A roadside bomb killed two Iraqi soldiers in the town of Jalula, 80 miles northeast of Baghdad, a regional police official said.

In the northern city of Mosul, where the fight against al-Qaida in Iraq continues, a parked truck bomb killed three police officers trying to search it and wounded a bystander.

In the city of Kirkuk, also north of Baghdad, Iraqi and U.S. troops killed three suspected al-Qaida gunmen during a raid, police said.

Violence around Iraq had plunged in 2008, with attacks declining to an average of 10 a day from 180 a year ago. The murder rate in November was less than 1 per 100,000 people ? far lower than many cities in the world.

U.S. military deaths in Iraq also plunged by two-thirds in 2008 from the previous year, a reflection of the improving security following the U.S. military's counterinsurgency campaign and al-Qaida's slow retreat from the battlefield.

According to a tally by The Associated Press, at least 314 U.S. soldiers died in Iraq in 2008, down from 904 in the previous year. In all, at least 4,221 U.S. soldiers have died in Iraq since the war began in 2003.

For Iraqis, the fatalities had also plunged: During 2008, at least 7,496 Iraqis died in war-related violence according to an AP count, including 6,068 civilians and 1,428 security personnel, down 60 percent from 2007.

The Associated Press tally does not reflect a comprehensive total for Iraqi deaths because reports do not come in from all of the country. The estimate, however, has proven accurate for tracking trends.

The plunge in violence in Iraq follows the U.S. "surge" of 2007, when thousands of additional troops were sent in to try to rein in a country that appeared to be on the verge of disintegration. That was coupled with a counterinsurgency campaign that included a decision by Sunni tribesmen to switch allegiances and fight al-Qaida. A focused effort to rout Shiite extremists also gave U.S. and Iraqi forces the upper hand.
 
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: winnar111
We have clearly succeeded in our mission. Congrats to everyone on a job well done and a happy new year to the coalition.
You are the world's gayest cheerleader, you know that? You're just like W in his undergrad years, shaking the pom pomps, shaking your ass, assembling the human pyramid for your ingrateful Iraqi subjects. Lame, soooooo lame. And everyone knows it.

Happy new year! :gift:

Thank you for the comparison. Maybe I can also be President someday and seize the nation back from Obama's socialist cronies.
 
Originally posted by: winnar111
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: winnar111
We have clearly succeeded in our mission. Congrats to everyone on a job well done and a happy new year to the coalition.
You are the world's gayest cheerleader, you know that? You're just like W in his undergrad years, shaking the pom pomps, shaking your ass, assembling the human pyramid for your ingrateful Iraqi subjects. Lame, soooooo lame. And everyone knows it.

Happy new year! :gift:

Thank you for the comparison. Maybe I can also be President someday and seize the nation back from Obama's socialist cronies.

So you are saying that the only way an asshole like you could ever gain control of this country is to somehow seize it? That sounds about right.


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Originally posted by: dahunan
When this fails it will all be Obamas fault, right?

If/When it does, why wouldn't it be?

People stub their toe and blame it on GWB...seems fair...unless we shouldn't treat BHO the same as GWB.

You're not suggesting we do that, are you?

Chuck
 
Originally posted by: chucky2
Originally posted by: dahunan
When this fails it will all be Obamas fault, right?

If/When it does, why wouldn't it be?

People stub their toe and blame it on GWB...seems fair...unless we shouldn't treat BHO the same as GWB.

You're not suggesting we do that, are you?

Chuck

what? If you came into my home and smeared shit all over the walls, carpets and furniture is it now my fault if I can't get the smell out?

i know you're not an idiot. Don't act like one. Situations can be created that can't be overcome. Bush created such a situation.



 
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