U.S. strategic petroleum reserves...

[Electric Amish]

Originally posted by: jumpr
I realize that oil is measured in units of barrels, but I wonder how the U.S. strategic petroleum reserves are stored...are they actually in barrels, or is the oil in large tanks somewhere?

Tupperware!!

 

[rahvin]

Originally posted by: jumpr
The problem is that our refining capacity is redicuously LOW. We have the oil, but turning it into fuel (gasoline, diesel, jet fuel, etc.) domestically in a large-scale war time situation would be difficult, if not impossible.

We have plenty of refining capacity if there is no consumer refining going on as well. If our foreign oil sources were halted, consumer use of petrolium would be stopped and all production shifted to miltary use. I guess you have never heard of rationing.

 

Originally posted by: rahvin

Originally posted by: jumpr
The problem is that our refining capacity is redicuously LOW. We have the oil, but turning it into fuel (gasoline, diesel, jet fuel, etc.) domestically in a large-scale war time situation would be difficult, if not impossible.

We have plenty of refining capacity if there is no consumer refining going on as well. If our foreign oil sources were halted, consumer use of petrolium would be stopped and all production shifted to miltary use. I guess you have never heard of rationing.

Fuel is also needed to heat homes, run power plants, produce food, power TV stations (for news) and other valuable civilian activities. I don't know of any studies on this, but I'd be interested to see if the U.S.' refining stations could REALLY support a full-scale war.

 

[yobarman]

more info

 

[rahvin]

Originally posted by: jumpr
Fuel is also needed to heat homes, run power plants, produce food, power TV stations (for news) and other valuable civilian activities. I don't know of any studies on this, but I'd be interested to see if the U.S.' refining stations could REALLY support a full-scale war.

Lets go through these one by one. For heating home most use Number 2 fuel oil, this is equivalent to diesel fuel, diesel and gasoline are both refined from crude oil. Less than 3% of US power production is by oil, over 50% is coal, and the US has plenty of coal, the remainder is comprised of nuclear, hydro, wind and NG.

The vast majority of US refining capacity is used so that you and others can put gas in your car. In time of full scale war gas for personal automobiles is going to be rationed with priority production going to the millitary and millitary production. But don't worry about driving your car because you will be in the millitary unless you have a medical condition that prohibits it.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: rahvin

Originally posted by: jumpr
Fuel is also needed to heat homes, run power plants, produce food, power TV stations (for news) and other valuable civilian activities. I don't know of any studies on this, but I'd be interested to see if the U.S.' refining stations could REALLY support a full-scale war.

Lets go through these one by one. For heating home most use Number 2 fuel oil, this is equivalent to diesel fuel, diesel and gasoline are both refined from crude oil. Less than 3% of US power production is by oil, over 50% is coal, and the US has plenty of coal, the remainder is comprised of nuclear, hydro, wind and NG.

The vast majority of US refining capacity is used so that you and others can put gas in your car. In time of full scale war gas for personal automobiles is going to be rationed with priority production going to the millitary and millitary production. But don't worry about driving your car because you will be in the millitary unless you have a medical condition that prohibits it.

It is also worth noting that the strategic reserve's maximum daily drawdown is only about 1/4 of the daily capacity of the US refineries.

 

[SVT Cobra]

with air craft carriers and submarines on nuclear energy its possible it could support a full scale war for a couple of days....

I'm sure they have this well planned out

 

[QuitBanningMe]

Originally posted by: acemcmac

Originally posted by: FoBoT

Originally posted by: acemcmac

news flash, gas prices are artificially high because the bush administraton abuses the strategic reserve...

no , that is false. see my sig, lack of refinery capacity is a large contributor to the high price

I'm sure that increased demand at the pump and lack of refinery capacity is part of it too, but surley there is no reason on earth why we need to be enlarging the reserve while leaning on OPEC to ship more?

Really? You can't think of any reasons?

 

[rahvin]

Originally posted by: Son of a N00b
with air craft carriers and submarines on nuclear energy its possible it could support a full scale war for a couple of days....

I'm sure they have this well planned out

An aircraft carrier isn't going to be any use at all if it's jets can't take off and without it's carrier grouping (the aircraft carrier is the only ship in the grouping with a nuke). And a submarine has very very limited use (SSBM primarily). Don't underestimate our dependence on oil, that's why the reserve exists.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Pumped into underground caverns.

A little understanding of history helps a long way.

 

[everman]

I must have stumbled into P&N and forgot my helmet
well since I'm here, the reserve isn't supposed to save you a few bucks, it's supposed to save your ass in time of war.

 

[Al Neri]

barrel = measurement

if cocacola has 30,000 liters in a bottling plant, it means it has a vat that contains 30,000 liters worth of cocacola

 

[LikeLinus]

Originally posted by: rahvin

Originally posted by: jumpr
Fuel is also needed to heat homes, run power plants, produce food, power TV stations (for news) and other valuable civilian activities. I don't know of any studies on this, but I'd be interested to see if the U.S.' refining stations could REALLY support a full-scale war.

Lets go through these one by one. For heating home most use Number 2 fuel oil, this is equivalent to diesel fuel, diesel and gasoline are both refined from crude oil. Less than 3% of US power production is by oil, over 50% is coal, and the US has plenty of coal, the remainder is comprised of nuclear, hydro, wind and NG.

The vast majority of US refining capacity is used so that you and others can put gas in your car. In time of full scale war gas for personal automobiles is going to be rationed with priority production going to the millitary and millitary production. But don't worry about driving your car because you will be in the millitary unless you have a medical condition that prohibits it.

Looks like someone stayed at a Holiday Inn last night.