U.S. soldier gets 100 years for Iraq rape, killings

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: Queasy
And this is the difference between the US Military and the insurgents/terrorists. We prosecute and put away people like this. The insurgents/terrorists encourage, celebrate, and videotape and broadcast this kind of behavior from their own.

Fixed.

- M4H

 

[bigrash]

Originally posted by: Skyclad1uhm1
Also check this article... They are nothing but beasts...

:Q at the last paragraph in that article

 

[Phokus]

Fvck the military, fvck the government, and fvck you assholes who voted for this ******. Reading this story makes me want to vomit.

And don't give me this sh1t that it's an 'isolated incident' and not indicative of the military as a whole. The fact of the matter is that the military trains people to dehumanize the people of the country they're invading and sh1t like this happens. Maybe not all of them are murder/rapes of little girls and their families, but i'm sick and tired of hearing about these crimes taking place every now and then. And of course there are the crimes that don't get reported because it's so easy to do in such a chaotic environment.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: MisterJackson

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: MisterJackson
In civilian courts he'd be facing, and probably recieving, the death penalty. It's a shame the military courts won't do the same in this case. This is a rabid dog and should be disposed of as such.

The guy made a plea bargain. He wouldn't be facing the death penalty in a civilian court if he made a plea bargain there either.

Yes, BUT they also said in the article that WITHOUT the plea bargin the MAXIMUM sentence for his crimes is 100 years in jail, so the plea is really irrelevant in my statement. The plea just knocked him down to ten years. Without the plea there'd still be no death penalty.

The military judge hearing the case, Col. Stephen R. Henley, issued a sentence of life in prison without parole, the maximum for the charges. Under military law, the defendant is given the lesser sentence unless he violates terms of the plea agreement, which requires Cortez to testify against others charged in the case.

Ahhh. Didn't see that part. Common sense says that these kind of heinous crimes fit the death penalty. Don't know why there wouldn't be with no plea bargain.

 

[PHiuR]

Originally posted by: Aharami

Cortez said this week that former private Steven D. Green raped the girl in front of him; shot her father, mother and sister; and then shot her in the head. He also testified that the soldiers attempted to burn the girl's body; burned their own clothes; and threw the murder weapon, an AK-47, into a canal in an attempt to dispose of the evidence.

we have some barbarians in the military

war is a barbaric thing.

 

[Aharami]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Well, since the military is made up of normal people from our society you'd have to expect that a few monsters would be able to get into the system. I don't see this as a total misuse of power by US soldiers in Iraq though. I see it as a crime committed by a few US soldiers. Nothing more...nothing less.

our troops are like the police there. they are in a position of authority. would you consider it an abuse of power if a cop pulled you over and gave you a ticket for no reason? would you consider it an abuse of power if a couple police officers broke into someone's house and raped and killed the family while on duty? or would that fall under simply a rape/homicide case?

It is not an abuse of power by the military overall, but it is an abuse of power by each soldier as they knew they have ultimate authority there (in the absence of their superiors).

 

[Aharami]

Originally posted by: PHiuR

Originally posted by: Aharami

Cortez said this week that former private Steven D. Green raped the girl in front of him; shot her father, mother and sister; and then shot her in the head. He also testified that the soldiers attempted to burn the girl's body; burned their own clothes; and threw the murder weapon, an AK-47, into a canal in an attempt to dispose of the evidence.

we have some barbarians in the military

war is a barbaric thing.

are you saying we should take that as fact and just turn the other cheek?

 

[MisterJackson]

Originally posted by: Phokus
Fvck the military, fvck the government, and fvck you assholes who voted for this ******. Reading this story makes me want to vomit.

And don't give me this sh1t that it's an 'isolated incident' and not indicative of the military as a whole. The fact of the matter is that the military trains people to dehumanize the people of the country they're invading and sh1t like this happens. Maybe not all of them are murder/rapes of little girls and their families, but i'm sick and tired of hearing about these crimes taking place every now and then. And of course there are the crimes that don't get reported because it's so easy to do in such a chaotic environment.

Troll much?

You should remember, though your opinion is strong against our govt. and military it is that same govt. and military that in years past has come to the call to defend ourselves so that not only do you have the right to spew forth your nonesense, it's also protected by the very people you hate.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Phokus
Fvck the military, fvck the government, and fvck you assholes who voted for this ******. Reading this story makes me want to vomit.

And don't give me this sh1t that it's an 'isolated incident' and not indicative of the military as a whole. The fact of the matter is that the military trains people to dehumanize the people of the country they're invading and sh1t like this happens. Maybe not all of them are murder/rapes of little girls and their families, but i'm sick and tired of hearing about these crimes taking place every now and then. And of course there are the crimes that don't get reported because it's so easy to do in such a chaotic environment.

Nice. :roll: Ever been in the military?

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: Phokus
Fvck the military, fvck the government, and fvck you assholes who voted for this ******. Reading this story makes me want to vomit.

And don't give me this sh1t that it's an 'isolated incident' and not indicative of the military as a whole. The fact of the matter is that the military trains people to dehumanize the people of the country they're invading and sh1t like this happens. Maybe not all of them are murder/rapes of little girls and their families, but i'm sick and tired of hearing about these crimes taking place every now and then. And of course there are the crimes that don't get reported because it's so easy to do in such a chaotic environment.

Just remember, it's by their hand that you're free to post such blatant trolling today.

- M4H

 

[irishScott]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: aswedc
Someone change that title to 10 years...ridiculous.

It's doubtful he'll get paroled. Violent criminals who committed especially heinous crimes have a very hard time getting parole. He'll probably be in for at least 20 years.

Either way, he's going to Levinworth or somewhere similar. I knew a Marine who knew people who did time in there. He said it's basically just drill after drill after drill with some of the biggest MPs you will ever see screaming at you. Combine that with prisonrape, and I doubt he's gonna have a good 10-20 years.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: Phokus
Fvck the military, fvck the government, and fvck you assholes who voted for this ******. Reading this story makes me want to vomit.

And don't give me this sh1t that it's an 'isolated incident' and not indicative of the military as a whole. The fact of the matter is that the military trains people to dehumanize the people of the country they're invading and sh1t like this happens. Maybe not all of them are murder/rapes of little girls and their families, but i'm sick and tired of hearing about these crimes taking place every now and then. And of course there are the crimes that don't get reported because it's so easy to do in such a chaotic environment.

I wonder if you work up this kind of outrage when you see a video of an Islamic terrorist with a backpack full of explosives turn that backpack towards an innocent woman and child to make sure they are the first to go in an explosion? How about when you a video of an Islamic terrorist behead an innocent man or woman? How about when you read a report of an Islamic terrorist driving a car bomb into a crowd of children?

Nope...you save it solely for the US Military where the actions in this OP are the exception and not the norm and the people who commit these actions are prosecuted and put in jail.

 

[Shawn]

He wasn't the one who commited the killings.

Cortez said this week that former private Steven D. Green raped the girl in front of him; shot her father, mother and sister; and then shot her in the head.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: MisterJackson

Troll much?

You should remember, though your opinion is strong against our govt. and military it is that same govt. and military that in years past has come to the call to defend ourselves so that not only do you have the right to spew forth your nonesense, it's also protected by the very people you hate.

I'm sick of this argument, it's been a long ass time since we've fought a war where our freedom was at stake. Do you honestly believe there's a country out there that could invade us and take away our freedoms?

Originally posted by: Amused


Nice. :roll: Ever been in the military?

No, but i know of a couple knuckleheads who joined up that i could very well see perpetrate a crime like this, if put in a similar situation.

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: Aharami

Cortez said this week that former private Steven D. Green raped the girl in front of him; shot her father, mother and sister; and then shot her in the head. He also testified that the soldiers attempted to burn the girl's body; burned their own clothes; and threw the murder weapon, an AK-47, into a canal in an attempt to dispose of the evidence.

we have some barbarians in the military

Being in the military doesn't make you good or bad. Just because you are a soldier doesn't make you a good person; it is your actions that define you. There have always been problems like this when it comes to warfare. Sadly I am not surprised something like this happened.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: Phokus
Fvck the military, fvck the government, and fvck you assholes who voted for this ******. Reading this story makes me want to vomit.

And don't give me this sh1t that it's an 'isolated incident' and not indicative of the military as a whole. The fact of the matter is that the military trains people to dehumanize the people of the country they're invading and sh1t like this happens. Maybe not all of them are murder/rapes of little girls and their families, but i'm sick and tired of hearing about these crimes taking place every now and then. And of course there are the crimes that don't get reported because it's so easy to do in such a chaotic environment.

I wonder if you work up this kind of outrage when you see a video of an Islamic terrorist with a backpack full of explosives turn that backpack towards an innocent woman and child to make sure they are the first to go in an explosion? How about when you a video of an Islamic terrorist behead an innocent man or woman? How about when you read a report of an Islamic terrorist driving a car bomb into a crowd of children?

Nope...you save it solely for the US Military where the actions in this OP are the exception and not the norm and the people who commit these actions are prosecuted and put in jail.

I wonder if you work up this kind of outrage when you see that sh1t happening in Iraq AFTER we invaded?

And last time i checked, islamic terrorists aren't representing the USA.

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: Phokus
I'm sick of this argument, it's been a long ass time since we've fought a war where our freedom was at stake. Do you honestly believe there's a country out there that could invade us and take away our freedoms?

Just because you're sick of it doesn't make it any less valid today.

Oh, and in case you never saw Back To The Future, the events of the past have a funny way of changing the present.

No, but i know of a couple knuckleheads who joined up that i could very well see perpetrate a crime like this, if put in a similar situation.

So what's to say they wouldn't do it outside of the military? Wait, that would require the use of logic. :roll:

- M4H

 

[Aharami]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: MisterJackson

Troll much?

You should remember, though your opinion is strong against our govt. and military it is that same govt. and military that in years past has come to the call to defend ourselves so that not only do you have the right to spew forth your nonesense, it's also protected by the very people you hate.

I'm sick of this argument, it's been a long ass time since we've fought a war where our freedom was at stake. Do you honestly believe there's a country out there that could invade us and take away our freedoms?

have to disagree with you there. 911 attacks caused our own govt to take away some of our civil liberties. so in a way, al queda did take away our freedoms

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: MisterJackson

Troll much?

You should remember, though your opinion is strong against our govt. and military it is that same govt. and military that in years past has come to the call to defend ourselves so that not only do you have the right to spew forth your nonesense, it's also protected by the very people you hate.

I'm sick of this argument, it's been a long ass time since we've fought a war where our freedom was at stake. Do you honestly believe there's a country out there that could invade us and take away our freedoms?

Originally posted by: Amused


Nice. :roll: Ever been in the military?

No, but i know of a couple knuckleheads who joined up that i could very well see perpetrate a crime like this, if put in a similar situation.

How long do you think we'd last without a military? And not even just our freedom, but our ability to do international trade?

And of course the entire military is made up of your own jaded anecdotal experiences. :roll:

The military is the one RIGHT thing the government should be doing.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: Phokus
I'm sick of this argument, it's been a long ass time since we've fought a war where our freedom was at stake. Do you honestly believe there's a country out there that could invade us and take away our freedoms?

Just because you're sick of it doesn't make it any less valid today.

Oh, and in case you never saw Back To The Future, the events of the past have a funny way of changing the present.

No, but i know of a couple knuckleheads who joined up that i could very well see perpetrate a crime like this, if put in a similar situation.

So what's to say they wouldn't do it outside of the military? Wait, that would require the use of logic. :roll:

- M4H

Answer my question, do you honestly believe that there is any force in the world that could invade us and take away our freedom of speech or whatever the hell it is you're arguing?

So what's to say they wouldn't do it outside of the military? Wait, that would require the use of logic. :roll:

Because they wouldn't receive the training to be aggressive and wouldn't be put in such a stressful situation and because we mostly have order in our society?

 

[MisterJackson]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: MisterJackson

Troll much?

You should remember, though your opinion is strong against our govt. and military it is that same govt. and military that in years past has come to the call to defend ourselves so that not only do you have the right to spew forth your nonesense, it's also protected by the very people you hate.

I'm sick of this argument, it's been a long ass time since we've fought a war where our freedom was at stake. Do you honestly believe there's a country out there that could invade us and take away our freedoms?

Originally posted by: Amused


Nice. :roll: Ever been in the military?

No, but i know of a couple knuckleheads who joined up that i could very well see perpetrate a crime like this, if put in a similar situation.

Jesus man, you've got issues. You make sweeping generalizations and try to turn this thred into a debate on the current war?!

I will not share my views with you on whether this current war is right or wrong, it's a moot point.

What I will say is that I come from a military family (Marine Corps). My dad is a decorated Force Recon Marine (regular Marines are scared of them) and my brother did 8 years not too long ago. Now, my Dad would likely hear your bs and snap you in half, but with great respect for your opinion the entire time he twisted your spine.

My brother however, would defend to the death your right to say what you say. He would give you the shirt off his back if you needed it without knowing nothing more about you other than the fact that you hate him. I wish I could say I'd be half the man he is if it came to me helping you but I can't.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Answer my question, do you honestly believe that there is any force in the world that could invade us and take away our freedom of speech or whatever the hell it is you're arguing?

Without a military? Just about anyone.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

So what's to say they wouldn't do it outside of the military? Wait, that would require the use of logic. :roll:

Because they wouldn't receive the training to be aggressive and wouldn't be put in such a stressful situation and because we mostly have order in our society?

We have order because we have police to protect our communities and a military to protect our country.

WTF are you, an anarchist?

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: Phokus
Fvck the military, fvck the government, and fvck you assholes who voted for this ******. Reading this story makes me want to vomit.

And don't give me this sh1t that it's an 'isolated incident' and not indicative of the military as a whole. The fact of the matter is that the military trains people to dehumanize the people of the country they're invading and sh1t like this happens. Maybe not all of them are murder/rapes of little girls and their families, but i'm sick and tired of hearing about these crimes taking place every now and then. And of course there are the crimes that don't get reported because it's so easy to do in such a chaotic environment.

I wonder if you work up this kind of outrage when you see a video of an Islamic terrorist with a backpack full of explosives turn that backpack towards an innocent woman and child to make sure they are the first to go in an explosion? How about when you a video of an Islamic terrorist behead an innocent man or woman? How about when you read a report of an Islamic terrorist driving a car bomb into a crowd of children?

Nope...you save it solely for the US Military where the actions in this OP are the exception and not the norm and the people who commit these actions are prosecuted and put in jail.

I wonder if you work up this kind of outrage when you see that sh1t happening in Iraq AFTER we invaded?

And last time i checked, islamic terrorists aren't representing the USA.

That sh!t was happening before we invaded Iraq....or do you think terrorism and barbaric actions like this only started after we invaded Iraq?

And the a$$holes who committed these atrocities don't represent the USA either. That's why they are being prosecuted and locked up. THAT represents the USA.

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: Phokus
Answer my question, do you honestly believe that there is any force in the world that could invade us and take away our freedom of speech or whatever the hell it is you're arguing?

Invade and conquer? No.
Rob the US of its freedoms? Currently happening.

Because they wouldn't receive the training to be aggressive and wouldn't be put in such a stressful situation and because we mostly have order in our society?

And what if they become LEOs? Or Rent-A-Cops, since they'd likely fail the psych eval? Or even worse, PROFESSIONAL VIDEO GAMERS, since we all know that video games are training our children to be ruthless bloodthirsty killers. :roll:

- M4H