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U.S. Rushes Bombs to Israel

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Originally posted by: RichardE
Heck, I thought you guys all praised democracy/capitalism. This is just a sale, that is all.

The only problem is that the money for this will probably be US taxpayer money that was earmarked for Israeli aid. So in the end, they get it free and we get to kill Lebanese people by proxy.

Great thing this capitalism when it is in the form of "aid" to other countries. :roll:
 
Originally posted by: Frackal
Originally posted by: rchiu
Originally posted by: Jaskalas
a delivery of precision-guided bombs to Israel

One needs precision to minimize loss of innocent lives, but pacifists will still be screaming bloody murder at us supplying Israel with weapons.

Heh, what about this idea, don't ship any weapons to Israel and instead push for a cease-fire. I am sure with your intellegence you can figure out which one gets less people killed.

Geopolitics from a guy who cannot spell intelligence. LOL. Shouldn't you be out protesting or something?

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Originally posted by: rchiu
I am no geneious

That's fairly obvious.

Wow, personal attacks and grammar policing. Dang, some people really know how to present some ideas.

 
Originally posted by: linkgoron

Are you talking about the daily Qassam rockets that were fired from Gaza before Israel attacked Gaza?

I was talking about the 7,986 Israeli missiles and shells fired at Gaza Strip since the Mar 29 take over of the democratically elected Hamas Prime Minister, vs. the 455 Palestinian Qassams missiles fired toward Israel.
 
Originally posted by: rchiu
Originally posted by: Frackal
Originally posted by: rchiu
Originally posted by: Jaskalas
a delivery of precision-guided bombs to Israel

One needs precision to minimize loss of innocent lives, but pacifists will still be screaming bloody murder at us supplying Israel with weapons.

Heh, what about this idea, don't ship any weapons to Israel and instead push for a cease-fire. I am sure with your intellegence you can figure out which one gets less people killed.

Geopolitics from a guy who cannot spell intelligence. LOL. Shouldn't you be out protesting or something?

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Originally posted by: rchiu
I am no geneious

That's fairly obvious.

Wow, personal attacks and grammar policing. Dang, some people really know how to present some ideas.

You stated it yourself. :laugh:
 
Originally posted by: ButterflyHugs
Originally posted by: RichardE
Heck, I thought you guys all praised democracy/capitalism. This is just a sale, that is all.

The only problem is that the money for this will probably be US taxpayer money that was earmarked for Israeli aid. So in the end, they get it free and we get to kill Lebanese people by proxy.

Great thing this capitalism when it is in the form of "aid" to other countries. :roll:


Yup. Lockheed Martin, Boeing, Raytheon etc all profit the more Israel uses their weapon systems. The "beauty" of it is of course that Isreal does not even have to pay for it. US taxpayers (i.e those readers paying US taxes) do.



 
Originally posted by: jrenz
Heh, I see you find it funny that over 300 Lebanese who has nothing to do with Hezbollah died as the result of "precision" bombing.

I'm still trying to figure out why you have precision in quotes... as if you think 300 is a large number based on the amount of ordnance which has been dropped on Lebanon. Get a clue, kiddo.

Besides they're just innocent Lebanese, not important humans like the Israelis:roll:
 
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: jrenz
Heh, I see you find it funny that over 300 Lebanese who has nothing to do with Hezbollah died as the result of "precision" bombing.

I'm still trying to figure out why you have precision in quotes... as if you think 300 is a large number based on the amount of ordnance which has been dropped on Lebanon. Get a clue, kiddo.

Besides they're just innocent Lebanese, not important humans like the Israelis:roll:

266 Lebanese . . . mostly civilians by all accounts . . . 631 wounded
15 Israeli civilians, 19 IDF soldiers killed . . . 300 wounded

Thousands of Israelis in bomb shelters
500,000 Lebanese displaced . . . ie refugees
 
Originally posted by: jrenz
Originally posted by: sandorski
Bombs don't kill people, people do. Likewise, "preciision" of bombing depends on the targets chosen by people and not bombs.

That's a sweet though, but just plain wrong. You mean to tell me that between the unguided rockets being fired by Hez, and the laser-guided weapons fired by Israel, their precision only has to do with the targets chosen?

Unless the bombs AI decides to hit whatever target themselves, yes. Of course the bombs hit the Human chosen target. 😱

 
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: jrenz
Originally posted by: sandorski
Bombs don't kill people, people do. Likewise, "preciision" of bombing depends on the targets chosen by people and not bombs.

That's a sweet though, but just plain wrong. You mean to tell me that between the unguided rockets being fired by Hez, and the laser-guided weapons fired by Israel, their precision only has to do with the targets chosen?

Unless the bombs AI decides to hit whatever target themselves, yes. Of course the bombs hit the Human chosen target. 😱

The rockets being fired by Hez at Israel are unguided munitions. The basically pull a Ronco "Set it and Forget it", aiming in the direction of Israeli cities, then leaving them on a timer whilest they flee. If you call the the same as what Israel is doing, then by all means, continue to believe it.
 
Originally posted by: rchiu
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: GrGr
Originally posted by: rchiu
Originally posted by: blackllotus
Originally posted by: rchiu
Originally posted by: Jaskalas
a delivery of precision-guided bombs to Israel

One needs precision to minimize loss of innocent lives, but pacifists will still be screaming bloody murder at us supplying Israel with weapons.

Heh, what about this idea, don't ship any weapons to Israel and instead push for a cease-fire. I am sure with your intellegence you can figure out which one gets less people killed.

And I'm sure that someone with your intelligence would realize that a cease-fire solves absolutely nothing, because this same ****** will keep playing out until the end of time unless we fix the actual problem.

Oh really, in the past 40 years, Israel has been bombing, shelling and using all kinds of brutal tactics against Palestanian, and yeap it sure has contained this conflicts with those tactics.

I am no geneious, but even I can figure out when you tried something for that long and accomplished nothing, maybe it's time do try something else?


The "something else" does not seem to match with the zionist concept of "Eretz Yisrael".

It might have matches with REsolution 425, or maybe the Gaza Pull out? How about the ceasfire with Hamas...all of which resulted in more attacks. Or is Israel suppose to sit back and get attacked and hope one day it stops?

What about resolution 425 and Gaza pull out? Does that include the daily shelling of Gaza that killed Palestenian family that started this whole mess?


Oh, you mean the shell that everyone save the Palestinians say was not fired from the Israel? It was a mine planted by the Palestinians to stop the IDF from landing. Yes that one..keep going for that underdog though, it will work our for you one day.
 
Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: jrenz
Heh, I see you find it funny that over 300 Lebanese who has nothing to do with Hezbollah died as the result of "precision" bombing.

I'm still trying to figure out why you have precision in quotes... as if you think 300 is a large number based on the amount of ordnance which has been dropped on Lebanon. Get a clue, kiddo.

Besides they're just innocent Lebanese, not important humans like the Israelis:roll:

266 Lebanese . . . mostly civilians by all accounts . . . 631 wounded
15 Israeli civilians, 19 IDF soldiers killed . . . 300 wounded

Thousands of Israelis in bomb shelters
500,000 Lebanese displaced . . . ie refugees

War is brutal on both sides. Perhaps the arabs should finally leave Israel alone.

Again, if the arabs laid there weapons down, there would be no war.

If Israel were to lay her weapons down, she would be destroyed.
 
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: jrenz
Heh, I see you find it funny that over 300 Lebanese who has nothing to do with Hezbollah died as the result of "precision" bombing.

I'm still trying to figure out why you have precision in quotes... as if you think 300 is a large number based on the amount of ordnance which has been dropped on Lebanon. Get a clue, kiddo.

Besides they're just innocent Lebanese, not important humans like the Israelis:roll:

Well I guess it really depends which side of the border your house is on...

But I agree Israel should follow the Red Dawn rules of war... when enemy shoots and kills your people, you are permitted to respond, but you must do so without harming anyone but those people who are clearly marked as the enemy. If the enemy chooses to not wear markings, you must take your beatings with a smile.

:roll:
 
Originally posted by: jrenz
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: jrenz
Originally posted by: sandorski
Bombs don't kill people, people do. Likewise, "preciision" of bombing depends on the targets chosen by people and not bombs.

That's a sweet though, but just plain wrong. You mean to tell me that between the unguided rockets being fired by Hez, and the laser-guided weapons fired by Israel, their precision only has to do with the targets chosen?

Unless the bombs AI decides to hit whatever target themselves, yes. Of course the bombs hit the Human chosen target. 😱

The rockets being fired by Hez at Israel are unguided munitions. The basically pull a Ronco "Set it and Forget it", aiming in the direction of Israeli cities, then leaving them on a timer whilest they flee. If you call the the same as what Israel is doing, then by all means, continue to believe it.

Did I say any such thing? :Q

 
Originally posted by: rchiu
Originally posted by: maluckey
rchiu

Maybe things will change when you include that even a cease fire will not stop Hezbollah. It will not stop a foe that owes it's very existence to destruction of the other, not for co-existence.

Appeasement to a fascist gets you dead.

I am not talking about cease fire with Hezbollah, I am talking about cease fire with Lebanon which does not equal to Hezbollah. Looks like in some simpleton's mind, all ME is the same and they cannot differentiate one from the other.

What about hitting Hezbollah's leaders like bombing their cars or assasinate them? Israel is known for doing that with Hama's leader. Why not do something like that instead of bombing the heck out of Lebanon. You can kill all the extremist Islamic group for all I care, and I'd even applaud that. But in this attack, for every extremist killed, there are 100's civilian dead and many more injure. Now you tell me if that's right thing to do.

Do you even bother to read the news?

Isreal has already made at least two attempts on the Hezbollah leader (Nasrallah sp?).

These precision missles were purchased by Ireal some time ago. The "news" is about their (Israel) requesting "immediate delivery".

The missles in questions are laser guided "bunker busters" and will be used to destroy deep hezbollah bunkers in pursuit of the objectives you extoll...

As for your statement Lebanon=! Hezbollah, Hezbollah controls the Southern portion of Lebanon. No Lebanese troops are allowed there. Hezbollah has members in the "other" Lebanese government and in Parliment. Hezbollah is made up of Lebanese citizens, yet funded by Iran & Syria.

Fern
 
Originally posted by: Doboji
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: jrenz
Heh, I see you find it funny that over 300 Lebanese who has nothing to do with Hezbollah died as the result of "precision" bombing.

I'm still trying to figure out why you have precision in quotes... as if you think 300 is a large number based on the amount of ordnance which has been dropped on Lebanon. Get a clue, kiddo.

Besides they're just innocent Lebanese, not important humans like the Israelis:roll:

Well I guess it really depends which side of the border your house is on...

But I agree Israel should follow the Red Dawn rules of war... when enemy shoots and kills your people, you are permitted to respond, but you must do so without harming anyone but those people who are clearly marked as the enemy. If the enemy chooses to not wear markings, you must take your beatings with a smile.

:roll:
Or your way, kill them all and let God sort them out. Of course if they are going to do that I'd prefer if they did it with their own bombs paid for by themselves instead of my tax dollars.

 
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Doboji
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: jrenz
Heh, I see you find it funny that over 300 Lebanese who has nothing to do with Hezbollah died as the result of "precision" bombing.

I'm still trying to figure out why you have precision in quotes... as if you think 300 is a large number based on the amount of ordnance which has been dropped on Lebanon. Get a clue, kiddo.

Besides they're just innocent Lebanese, not important humans like the Israelis:roll:

Well I guess it really depends which side of the border your house is on...

But I agree Israel should follow the Red Dawn rules of war... when enemy shoots and kills your people, you are permitted to respond, but you must do so without harming anyone but those people who are clearly marked as the enemy. If the enemy chooses to not wear markings, you must take your beatings with a smile.

:roll:
Or your way, kill them all and let God sort them out. Of course if they are going to do that I'd prefer if they did it with their own bombs paid for by themselves instead of my tax dollars.

I'm sure they could... but they wouldn't be the nice laser pointy kinds...they'd be the big flash of light and mushroom cloud kinds...
 
Originally posted by: jrenz
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: jrenz
Originally posted by: sandorski
Bombs don't kill people, people do. Likewise, "preciision" of bombing depends on the targets chosen by people and not bombs.

That's a sweet though, but just plain wrong. You mean to tell me that between the unguided rockets being fired by Hez, and the laser-guided weapons fired by Israel, their precision only has to do with the targets chosen?

Unless the bombs AI decides to hit whatever target themselves, yes. Of course the bombs hit the Human chosen target. 😱

The rockets being fired by Hez at Israel are unguided munitions. The basically pull a Ronco "Set it and Forget it", aiming in the direction of Israeli cities, then leaving them on a timer whilest they flee. If you call the the same as what Israel is doing, then by all means, continue to believe it.

Ah, so it is just a constant barage of unguided missiles being launched at your country, I suppose they should not do anything. Sit back and take it like a man right?
 
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: jrenz
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: jrenz
Originally posted by: sandorski
Bombs don't kill people, people do. Likewise, "preciision" of bombing depends on the targets chosen by people and not bombs.

That's a sweet though, but just plain wrong. You mean to tell me that between the unguided rockets being fired by Hez, and the laser-guided weapons fired by Israel, their precision only has to do with the targets chosen?

Unless the bombs AI decides to hit whatever target themselves, yes. Of course the bombs hit the Human chosen target. 😱

The rockets being fired by Hez at Israel are unguided munitions. The basically pull a Ronco "Set it and Forget it", aiming in the direction of Israeli cities, then leaving them on a timer whilest they flee. If you call the the same as what Israel is doing, then by all means, continue to believe it.

Ah, so it is just a constant barage of unguided missiles being launched at your country, I suppose they should not do anything. Sit back and take it like a man right?
Or release the prisoners. How can keeping them incarcerated be more important than saving lives?
 
Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
[266 Lebanese . . . mostly civilians by all accounts . . . 631 wounded
15 Israeli civilians, 19 IDF soldiers killed . . . 300 wounded

Thousands of Israelis in bomb shelters
500,000 Lebanese displaced . . . ie refugees

I really have to question the reports on civilian casualties.

Clearly, the Arabs (Palestinians and Lebanese) would like inflate the civilian casualites in order to pressure Israel. The Western news media reports just reports what they are told by the Arabs. Unless a very small child, or old women, no way to determine whether in fact they are civilian, or militia.

OTOH, Israel could be inclined to under-report civilians casualties to reduce Arab "celebrations" of victory.

However, I have been impressed by the Israeli citizens discipline in quickly getting to bomb shelters, and their comprehensive warning system. Also, they (Israeli citizens) seem to have built some pretty impressive shelters, some are quite deep and stout. If the Arab side has such discipline and shelters, well, it's a pretty well kept secret as far as I can tell.

Fern
 
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: jrenz
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: jrenz
Originally posted by: sandorski
Bombs don't kill people, people do. Likewise, "preciision" of bombing depends on the targets chosen by people and not bombs.

That's a sweet though, but just plain wrong. You mean to tell me that between the unguided rockets being fired by Hez, and the laser-guided weapons fired by Israel, their precision only has to do with the targets chosen?

Unless the bombs AI decides to hit whatever target themselves, yes. Of course the bombs hit the Human chosen target. 😱

The rockets being fired by Hez at Israel are unguided munitions. The basically pull a Ronco "Set it and Forget it", aiming in the direction of Israeli cities, then leaving them on a timer whilest they flee. If you call the the same as what Israel is doing, then by all means, continue to believe it.

Ah, so it is just a constant barage of unguided missiles being launched at your country, I suppose they should not do anything. Sit back and take it like a man right?
Or release the prisoners. How can keeping them incarcerated be more important than saving lives?

Release the prisoners to give them more people to attack Israel with?
 
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: jrenz
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: jrenz
Originally posted by: sandorski
Bombs don't kill people, people do. Likewise, "preciision" of bombing depends on the targets chosen by people and not bombs.

That's a sweet though, but just plain wrong. You mean to tell me that between the unguided rockets being fired by Hez, and the laser-guided weapons fired by Israel, their precision only has to do with the targets chosen?

Unless the bombs AI decides to hit whatever target themselves, yes. Of course the bombs hit the Human chosen target. 😱

The rockets being fired by Hez at Israel are unguided munitions. The basically pull a Ronco "Set it and Forget it", aiming in the direction of Israeli cities, then leaving them on a timer whilest they flee. If you call the the same as what Israel is doing, then by all means, continue to believe it.

Ah, so it is just a constant barage of unguided missiles being launched at your country, I suppose they should not do anything. Sit back and take it like a man right?
Or release the prisoners. How can keeping them incarcerated be more important than saving lives?

Release the prisoners to give them more people to attack Israel with?
Hmmm... keep thjem and suffer the deaths now or release them and hope that many of the prisoners will not take up arms. It's a quandry I admit.
 
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: jrenz
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: jrenz
Originally posted by: sandorski
Bombs don't kill people, people do. Likewise, "preciision" of bombing depends on the targets chosen by people and not bombs.

That's a sweet though, but just plain wrong. You mean to tell me that between the unguided rockets being fired by Hez, and the laser-guided weapons fired by Israel, their precision only has to do with the targets chosen?

Unless the bombs AI decides to hit whatever target themselves, yes. Of course the bombs hit the Human chosen target. 😱

The rockets being fired by Hez at Israel are unguided munitions. The basically pull a Ronco "Set it and Forget it", aiming in the direction of Israeli cities, then leaving them on a timer whilest they flee. If you call the the same as what Israel is doing, then by all means, continue to believe it.

Ah, so it is just a constant barage of unguided missiles being launched at your country, I suppose they should not do anything. Sit back and take it like a man right?
Or release the prisoners. How can keeping them incarcerated be more important than saving lives?

Release the prisoners to give them more people to attack Israel with?
Hmmm... keep thjem and suffer the deaths now or release them and hope that many of the prisoners will not take up arms. It's a quandry I admit.

Well, those are thousands of potential fighters you are willing to give up for peace.

Of course..


March 15, 1979 - Israel exchanges 66 Palestinian prisoners in exchange for an Israeli soldier captured in Lebanon.

Nov. 24, 1983 - Six Israeli soldiers captured in Lebanon are released by the Palestine Liberation Organization in exchange for 4,700 Palestinian and Lebanese prisoners held by Israel.

June 28, 1984 - 291 Syrian soldiers and 20 security prisoners were exchanged for three Israeli soldiers and three Israeli civilians as well as the remains of two Israeli soldiers.

May 21, 1985 - Three Israeli soldiers captured in Lebanon are released by the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-General Command in exchange for 1,150 prisoners held by Israel.

July 21, 1996 - Israel frees 45 Shiite Muslims and returns the bodies of 100 Hezbollah fighters to Hezbollah in exchange for the bodies of two Israeli soldiers killed in Lebanon.

June 25, 1998 - Israel frees 60 prisoners and transfers the bodies of 40 Hezbollah fighters to Hezbollah in exchange for the body of an Israeli soldier killed in Lebanon.

October 1997 - Israel releases about 70 prisoners, including Hamas leader Sheik Ahmed Yassin, in exchange for two intelligence agents who were captured during an attempt to assassinate another Hamas leader, Khaled Mashaal.

Jan. 29, 2004 - Hezbollah releases an Israeli citizen and the bodies of three Israeli soldiers in exchange for 429 prisoners held by Israel and 59 bodies of Lebanese killed in fighting.

Those are just come of them..and we all see how much peace that lead too.
 
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: jrenz
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: jrenz
Originally posted by: sandorski
Bombs don't kill people, people do. Likewise, "preciision" of bombing depends on the targets chosen by people and not bombs.

That's a sweet though, but just plain wrong. You mean to tell me that between the unguided rockets being fired by Hez, and the laser-guided weapons fired by Israel, their precision only has to do with the targets chosen?

Unless the bombs AI decides to hit whatever target themselves, yes. Of course the bombs hit the Human chosen target. 😱

The rockets being fired by Hez at Israel are unguided munitions. The basically pull a Ronco "Set it and Forget it", aiming in the direction of Israeli cities, then leaving them on a timer whilest they flee. If you call the the same as what Israel is doing, then by all means, continue to believe it.

Ah, so it is just a constant barage of unguided missiles being launched at your country, I suppose they should not do anything. Sit back and take it like a man right?
Or release the prisoners. How can keeping them incarcerated be more important than saving lives?

Release the prisoners to give them more people to attack Israel with?
Hmmm... keep thjem and suffer the deaths now or release them and hope that many of the prisoners will not take up arms. It's a quandry I admit.

Well, those are thousands of potential fighters you are willing to give up for peace.

Of course..


March 15, 1979 - Israel exchanges 66 Palestinian prisoners in exchange for an Israeli soldier captured in Lebanon.

Nov. 24, 1983 - Six Israeli soldiers captured in Lebanon are released by the Palestine Liberation Organization in exchange for 4,700 Palestinian and Lebanese prisoners held by Israel.

June 28, 1984 - 291 Syrian soldiers and 20 security prisoners were exchanged for three Israeli soldiers and three Israeli civilians as well as the remains of two Israeli soldiers.

May 21, 1985 - Three Israeli soldiers captured in Lebanon are released by the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-General Command in exchange for 1,150 prisoners held by Israel.

July 21, 1996 - Israel frees 45 Shiite Muslims and returns the bodies of 100 Hezbollah fighters to Hezbollah in exchange for the bodies of two Israeli soldiers killed in Lebanon.

June 25, 1998 - Israel frees 60 prisoners and transfers the bodies of 40 Hezbollah fighters to Hezbollah in exchange for the body of an Israeli soldier killed in Lebanon.

October 1997 - Israel releases about 70 prisoners, including Hamas leader Sheik Ahmed Yassin, in exchange for two intelligence agents who were captured during an attempt to assassinate another Hamas leader, Khaled Mashaal.

Jan. 29, 2004 - Hezbollah releases an Israeli citizen and the bodies of three Israeli soldiers in exchange for 429 prisoners held by Israel and 59 bodies of Lebanese killed in fighting.

Those are just come of them..and we all see how much peace that lead too.
Even Hezbollah seems to think an Irsaeli is worth more than one of their own.

BTW, if I were an Israeli I'd probably do what they are doing. Since I'm not and I don't feel any allegiance to them or their enemies I look at it from the POV of what is good for USA.
 
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: jrenz
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: jrenz
Originally posted by: sandorski
Bombs don't kill people, people do. Likewise, "preciision" of bombing depends on the targets chosen by people and not bombs.

That's a sweet though, but just plain wrong. You mean to tell me that between the unguided rockets being fired by Hez, and the laser-guided weapons fired by Israel, their precision only has to do with the targets chosen?

Unless the bombs AI decides to hit whatever target themselves, yes. Of course the bombs hit the Human chosen target. 😱

The rockets being fired by Hez at Israel are unguided munitions. The basically pull a Ronco "Set it and Forget it", aiming in the direction of Israeli cities, then leaving them on a timer whilest they flee. If you call the the same as what Israel is doing, then by all means, continue to believe it.

Ah, so it is just a constant barage of unguided missiles being launched at your country, I suppose they should not do anything. Sit back and take it like a man right?
Or release the prisoners. How can keeping them incarcerated be more important than saving lives?

Release the prisoners to give them more people to attack Israel with?
Hmmm... keep thjem and suffer the deaths now or release them and hope that many of the prisoners will not take up arms. It's a quandry I admit.

not really. release and you will have rewarded the terrorists for their actions. you will have reinforced their logic. you will have done nothing besides strengthen their cause and will just suffer future attack.
 
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