U.S. Plans Drive to Limit Salt in Foods -- Welcome to the nanny state!

[child of wonder]

So you would not allow me (or anyone else) to buy salty chips or pretzels?

How is that different from not allowing the sale and use of drugs?

What about Lay's plans on increasing the surface area of their salt crystals so all the salt dissolves in your mouth, thereby decreasing the amount of salt needed on the chip for the same taste?

You seem to be saying that even if company's voluntarily reduce sodium content together that you, still, are outraged.

 

[Amused]

That's your opinion/assumption that plans for a limit was "leaked."

Nothing more.

Not my assumption. Fact. The article states it as fact. They got the info from FDA sources.

Has reading comprehension not been taught in schools lately?

"citing U.S. Food and Drug Administration sources."

Now, why would I make an assuption when those very sources said:

"The effort would eventually lead to the first legal limits on the amount of salt allowed in processed foods"

Now, let's use a little logic, shall we?

No official announcement had been made. But Reuters and WP released a story citing unnamed sources within the FDA.

Now, in case you can't understand what all this means... That's the very definition of "leaked."

And this is how the current admin has been doing EVERYTHING. They leak plans and "float" them to judge public reaction. They're doing it right now with the VAT idea as well. That way if the public reacts negatively, they can deny ever planning such a thing.

 

[Amused]

What about Lay's plans on increasing the surface area of their salt crystals so all the salt dissolves in your mouth, thereby decreasing the amount of salt needed on the chip for the same taste?

You seem to be saying that even if company's voluntarily reduce sodium content together that you, still, are outraged.

Not at all. I am not outraged at all that THOUSANDS of low sodium options ALREADY exist.

The key word is "OPTIONS." When one has OPTIONS one is free.

Yet again, you fail at reading comprehension.

 

[child of wonder]

Not my assumption. Fact. The article states it as fact. They got the info from FDA sources.

Has reading comprehension not been taught in schools lately?

"citing U.S. Food and Drug Administration sources."

Now, why would I make an assuption when those very sources said:

"The effort would eventually lead to the first legal limits on the amount of salt allowed in processed foods"

Now, let's use a little logic, shall we?

No official announcement had been made. But Reuters and WP released a story citing unnamed sources within the FDA.

Now, in case you can't understand what all this means... That's the very definition of "leaked."

And this is how the current admin has been doing EVERYTHING. They leak plans and "float" them to judge public reaction. They're doing it right now with the VAT idea as well. That way if the public reacts negatively, they can deny ever planning such a thing.

Again, you're assuming the administration is intentionally leaking information to gauge public reaction.

Considering that the FDA refuted the claim in the Washington Post THE SAME DAY it printed, are you saying they were able to accurately deduce the public reaction within a matter of hours?

 

[child of wonder]

Not at all. I am not outraged at all that THOUSANDS of low sodium options ALREADY exist.

The key word is "OPTIONS." When one has OPTIONS one is free.

Yet again, you fail at reading comprehension.

I know I'm really stupid and ignorant, but hear me out.

The FDA is asking manufacturers to voluntarily reduce sodium levels. If they do, that means most foods will have less sodium in them than they do today.

What are your feelings on that?

 

[nobodyknows]

It nailed nothing but your own misinformed and biased opinion.

Perhaps from your misinformed persprctive. I'm a saltaholic and I could give a shit about what they do. If it's not salty enough I will add salt to my taste. No big deal.

You on the other hand think the sky is falling. Of course making moutains out of molehills is your specialty.

 

[Amused]

I know I'm really stupid and ignorant, but hear me out.

The FDA is asking manufacturers to voluntarily reduce sodium levels. If they do, that means most foods will have less sodium in them than they do today.

What are your feelings on that?

That's not what that means at all. It may mean more low sodium options and quite a few failed tries at lowering sodium in normal foods.

But the saltiest chip/snack will still be the most popular.

Food didn't get salty because of some grand conspiracy. It got salty because that's what the majority of consumers wanted and they gravitated toward the saltiest.

 

[Amused]

Again, you're assuming the administration is intentionally leaking information to gauge public reaction.

Considering that the FDA refuted the claim in the Washington Post THE SAME DAY it printed, are you saying they were able to accurately deduce the public reaction within a matter of hours?

I guess you too missed the fancy little dance in their retraction. They never ruled out placing legal limits. They basically said not YET.

 

[spidey07]

I know I'm really stupid and ignorant, but hear me out.

The FDA is asking manufacturers to voluntarily reduce sodium levels. If they do, that means most foods will have less sodium in them than they do today.

What are your feelings on that?

You didn't ask me but my feelings are that would result in less tasty food and it's incredibly stupid to even suggest such a thing. We're not England god dammit. This is a free country.

Nobody has yet to provide any good reason for even suggesting lower sodium in foods by the federal government. There is simply no good reason for such action. If there is no compelling reason to do such a thing then don't do it. As it stands there is no good reason to suggest or mandate limits on sodium in food. This is supposed to be a free country. Let's keep it free.

You know damn well that first comes "we suggest you lower sodium". And when they don't, they will force by rule of law. Exact same thing happened in England. Does anybody really want to follow in the fail steps of that country?

 

[ch33zw1z]

stupid push. read the package and moderate your own salt intake...lazy fucks!

 

[zsdersw]

Food didn't get salty because of some grand conspiracy. It got salty because that's what the majority of consumers wanted and they gravitated toward the saltiest.

Who said anything about a conspiracy? The problem is that consumers are lazy, and that's a problem that nobody but consumers themselves can cure.

Manufacturers use salt as a replacement for real flavor and natural ingredients which isn't helpful, but consumers let them get away with it, so it will continue.

What's so wrong about using fresh ingredients prepared with things like spices, good fats, and a dash of salt? It's not really that expensive (and is often far cheaper) and it doesn't really take that much time. All it takes is a little effort.. and apparently that's something more and more Americans lack.

GET OFF YOUR LAZY AND HUGE ASSES AND COOK SOMETHING FROM SCRATCH FOR A CHANGE.

 

[halik]

And here you see exactly how tyranny creeps in. Who cares the government mandating "x" is only for the good and you folks that oppose it can just deal with it. Did it ever occur to any of you that you could take the responsibility for limiting the amount of salt you take in by choosing the foods you eat without any government involvement in the decision?

And people don't. Heart disease is the #1 killer in the US.

I try VERY hard to limit my salt intake and it's nearly impossible. Just about every thign you can buy in the super market has at least 300mg of salt.

Try finding unsalted salsa chips.. it's like a freaking quest. Same thing for unsalted nut butter.

 

[zsdersw]

that would result in less tasty food

You obviously wouldn't know real flavor if it slapped you in the face.

 

[zsdersw]

Another problem is the amount of snacking Americans do. I wonder why it is that people like Julia Child.. who ate all that rich French food.. lived to be 91. Maybe it has something to do with two things Americans simply won't do:

1. Refuse a second helping (portion control)

2. Put down the bag of chips

If more Americans did those two things alone, a vast majority of them could eat just about anything they wanted.. but nooo... they just have to shove their fat faces with more garbage.

 

[spidey07]

And people don't. Heart disease is the #1 killer in the US.

I try VERY hard to limit my salt intake and it's nearly impossible. Just about every thign you can buy in the super market has at least 300mg of salt.

Try finding unsalted salsa chips.. it's like a freaking quest.

That's because unsalted chips suck and nobody would buy them.

 

[halik]

Who said anything about a conspiracy? The problem is that consumers are lazy, and that's a problem that nobody but consumers themselves can cure.


Manufacturers use salt as a replacement for real flavor and natural ingredients which isn't helpful, but consumers let them get away with it, so it will continue.

What's so wrong about using fresh ingredients prepared with things like spices, good fats, and a dash of salt? It's not really that expensive (and is often far cheaper) and it doesn't really take that much time. All it takes is a little effort.. and apparently that's something more and more Americans lack.

GET OFF YOUR LAZY AND HUGE ASSES AND COOK SOMETHING FROM SCRATCH FOR A CHANGE.

It's the definition of negative externality where gov't has a role to regulate:

To save money, they use large amounts of an ingredient known to increase hart disease risk. The extra profit comes at a deferred cost from future healthcare needed.

That's not to say we should live in Demolition Man reality where stuff is outlawed, but there should be a tax that compensates for the deferred costs. Same goes for fatty foods, pop or booze/cigs (there already).

 

[Pens1566]

You didn't ask me but my feelings are that would result in less tasty food and it's incredibly stupid to even suggest such a thing. We're not England god dammit. This is a free country.

Nobody has yet to provide any good reason for even suggesting lower sodium in foods by the federal government. There is simply no good reason for such action. If there is no compelling reason to do such a thing then don't do it. As it stands there is no good reason to suggest or mandate limits on sodium in food. This is supposed to be a free country. Let's keep it free.

You know damn well that first comes "we suggest you lower sodium". And when they don't, they will force by rule of law. Exact same thing happened in England. Does anybody really want to follow in the fail steps of that country?

Do you realize how delusional you sound?

 

[halik]

That's because unsalted chips suck and nobody would buy them.

Tail wags the dog problem problem. I grew up in Europe and simply don't have the craving for super salty shit... my best guess is because i didn't grow up eating super salty shit.

I see the same pattern on my european side of family.

 

[child of wonder]

I guess you too missed the fancy little dance in their retraction. They never ruled out placing legal limits. They basically said not YET.

They've said they have no plans to place sodium limits or regulations. You're the one that's insinuating that the regulation is definitely forthcoming.

 

[zsdersw]

Tail wags the dog problem problem. I grew up in Europe and simply don't have the craving for super salty shit... my best guess is because i didn't grow up eating extra salty shit.

I see the same pattern on my european side of family, none of them like super salty American stuff, just because it's not considered a flavour.

Indeed. You can't make bad food good by adding salt.. but that doesn't stop American food manufacturers and processors from trying.

 

[Hacp]

Tail wags the dog problem problem. I grew up in Europe and simply don't have the craving for super salty shit... my best guess is because i didn't grow up eating super salty shit.

I see the same pattern on my european side of family.

I bet your European side thinks organic food tastes better too.

 

[zsdersw]

I bet your European side thinks organic food tastes better too.

It very often does, yes. Just because you have a shitty diet doesn't mean organic food tastes worse.

 

[halik]

I bet your European side thinks organic food tastes better too.

Only certain things - eggs and milk you can defintely taste the diff. For veggies and other such stuff it's all the same to me.

I still buy regular milk, given the quantity i go though and the price diff..

 

[Fingolfin269]

Wow what a bunch of pansies in this thread who need the government to hand hold you down the grocery aisle. If you're really that concerned about your health then read the damn label yourself instead of having the government do it for you. If someone causes my Salt & Vinegar chips to disappear from store shelves I will be pissed.

 

[Modelworks]

I wonder if something like this did ever happen what would happen to some foods ? Things like pickles, sauerkraut, cured ham, that without high salt content really cannot be made.