U.S. pays Halliburton $2.65/gallon for gas

[Corn]

God, Why do people who don't know diddly always want PROOF ?

Link to PROOF

In my opinion the phrase 'I Don't think' is really 'I Don't know', and
they haven't kept themselves well enough informed on the subject.

Nice link moron, now tell me where the fuel from that single substantially producing refinery in Iraq is going. Here's a hint jackass, "who turned on the lights?" Since you despise substantiating your idiotic ramblings with "proof", I leave the googling to you, and my god man, don't come off as an authority when you haven't kept yourself well enough informed on the subject.

Evidently the gall you felt about me not swallowing your BS conspriacy somehow inhibited your ability to recognize a well placed admissions of "I may be wrong.....", whatever moron, good luck informing yourself.
Watch it Corn, call someone a Moron again I will have to give you a stern warning!

 

[CaptnKirk]

Corn -

Since you don't seem to get the NO ATTACKS thing - I hope that the moderators will take your sorry ass down.
Apparently you do not have the common decency to read an article, and even comprehend what the article states.

Jackass and moron seem to be the only things that you are capable of saying when someone trys
to point out anything that does not fall within your narrow logic.

There are 3 areas that constitue the MAJOR Iraqi oil fields, these are intact.
There are also some smaller refineries at the well-heads in other areas.

It's not a thing about DESTRUCTION, although obsolete facilities is a real obstacle.
it's the MANPOWER on the sites, be it a well head or a refinery facility.
They are selectivley choosing who is being allowed to work the equipment,
at the descretion of American leadership with Halibutrons concurance.

Oh - by the way, that article was May 6th, we're about 5 1/2 months down the road now
and repairs have been made, but the 'Terrists' still hit the piplines when they get the chance.
And the comment about the Oil Facilities being at reduced capacity was concerning their 'Ability to EXPORT'
Dosen't EXPORT usually mean to send something out of the country of origin ?

 

[Corn]

Since you don't seem to get the NO ATTACKS thing - I hope that the moderators will take your sorry ass down.

We can only hope. I suppose that the following wasn't an "attack"?

In my opinion the phrase 'I Don't think' is really 'I Don't know', and
they haven't kept themselves well enough informed on the subject.

In my opinion, I never said "I Don't think", thus calling you a moron is merely being descriptive and not an insult. But I will defer that opinion to the mods. Either way, you reap what you sow, I merely asked and was met with a rude insulting reply. Bite me.

In any event, it appears you are having trouble seperating the concepts of crude oil production and distillation. Anyway, I leave you to your ignorance.........

 

[Corn]

Watch it Corn, call someone a Moron again I will have to give you a stern warning!

Take down, 2 points to the mods!

 

[Lucky]

I'm sure the 1000's of ex-Iraqi soldiers would love a job right now.

Uh, the one's with clean records we have already or shortly will hire. 85,000 strong already.

 

[EXman]

A bargain compared to the $800 screwdrivers and $600 toilet seats we used to pay for.

Or Leasing Boeing planes for $5 billion more than buying them bad news there.

 

[CaptnKirk]

Corn - a generalization of "Those who don't think' seems to have hit you pretty close to home since you took it personally.
Could it be because of immaturity ? you sure do seem to get offended easily in generic generalizations.
Don't know how old you are in years, but what is lacking in knowledge stands tall as arrogance.
But I guess if the shoe does fit, one could dance at the ball before turning back into a pumpkin.

More PROOF - a month and a half ago
Back in July
Last Week
A not so freindly look from the Arab Perspective
Little refineries, at random

Anyone notice a trend here ? Like an emphesis on EXPORT for the benifit of US and the Coalition of the Billing.
More proffit to be made by moving oil around than selling it locally - Where is all this Iraq Oil going ?
To help hold up the price somewhere else so Haliburton can maximize income by moving product into Iraq
from elsewhere and product out to somewhere else so as to make a double dip ?
We - taxpayers are subsidizing the whole damn thing, whether you want to admit it or not.

Anybody old enough - or maybe mature enough to remember the fiasco in 1973 over oil availability ?
Lets look at a couple facts - Viet Nam was winding down, and Big Oil was no longer able to sell the
millions of gallons a day to the Government that had been going into the War Machine.
The alledged ArabOil Embargo suddenly left US without any oil.
What ? A reduction of consumption left us short ? No way - the Military was no longer using a vast
quantity of product, which cut the proffit margin in half, so Oil Bubbas cut the pipeline to drive up the price.
It went from 35 cents a gallon to 75 cents overnight - after the demand had been cut in half - that's manipulation.

 

[Corn]

Anyone notice a trend here ? Like an emphesis on EXPORT for the benifit of US and the Coalition of the Billing.

They are exporting crude, not refined product. You have provided nothing substantive regarding Iraq's ability to produce a refined product in enough quantities to meet local demand.

Corn - a generalization of "Those who don't think' seems to have hit you pretty close to home since you took it personally. Could it be because of immaturity ? you sure do seem to get offended easily in generic generalizations.
Don't know how old you are in years, but what is lacking in knowledge stands tall as arrogance.
But I guess if the shoe does fit, one could dance at the ball before turning back into a pumpkin.

As far as my age is concerned, I don't see the relevancy of that concern, but alas I will indulge: Born in 1965. Now addressing "arrogance", I find the real example of arrogance to be when someone makes outlandish and unsubstantiated claims regarding a topic, then when asked to provide some form of evidence to back up these assertions, feels it necessary to insult the inquisitive mind. Arrogance at it's finest! "Believe what I tell you boy, and you best not question me!"

I find your pleading of innocense most insulting. If you were not referring to me, then why did you bother to state that in reply to my request? Now you're just being a dishonest asshole attempting to take another crack, boo hoo. Should I likewise cry to the mods?

Nah, instead I'll ask my question again, put as simply as I can so that you might be able to understand what it is exactly I was asking for in the first place: What is Iraq's current refinement capacity, what is Iraq's current ability to distribute refined product, and lastly, what is Iraq's current local demand for refined product?

Assume I'm ignorant of the answers to that 3 part question, enlighten me. Your implicitly claim such knowledge so providing the answers to this question should be a simple exercise for someone as well versed in the subject matter as you, right?

Please don't disappoint me CaptainKirk, I would hate to believe that your only "knowledge" of this subject is merely unfounded speculation from an event that happended 30 years ago.......that would be embarrassing, no?

 

[CaptnKirk]

My reply direct to you was a response to your taking a generalization as a direct confrontation - again a lack of maturity.

Again you do not show an ability to carry on a comprehensive conversation without interjecting vulgarity, more arrogant immaturity.

"Do you have evidence - proof" what is it with not only you, but all of these other people who say "Where's the Proof" - it dosen't matter
how much proof they are given or shown, if they will not accept the facts as displayed, but reject the facts and seek to maintain a closed
minded view of what is presented - thats what all of the Bush appoligists are doing anyway.

Now, yes they are exporting crude oil, nearly as much as they were before the war began, but where is it going to - do you know ?
Is the reason that they are exporting it to gain finincail gain ? who is getting the proffit ? I don't see this products benefits going to
the Iraqi People, as the Administration likes to say, it looks like it's going to those who signed onto being the alledged 'Coalition'.

Iraqs Role in Oil Markets
Corporate Gold Mine
Working, badly
Iraq Oil to Asia
Even the French
4 days ago in Iraq

So the emphis is to rush the product out - EXPORT, and neglect local production, as it is much more proffitible to bring in fuel
that was made, or refined elsewhere. They may even be exporting crude just out of country for refinement so they can bring it
back in at another profit. Somewhere within the noted articles is some of the PROOF, but you need to read and retain data.

 

[Corn]

Just admit you have no clue what the refinement capacity, distribution capacity of refined product, and local demand is and be done with it already. None of your so-called "proof" answers any of these questions--the only one that might have answered, the Platts link, is outdated and based upon a report completed prior to the 2nd gulf war.

Anyway, thanks again for providing nothing of substance. Since you are ignorant of the topic at hand, I will simply ignore your thinly veiled insults and inane ramblings as the product of a disturbed mind and move on. Good day sir.

Edit: Well, you finally stumbled into the Mees link. Now tell me, what does it say about current refinement capacity? Here's a hint, nothing!

I know, I know, you contend that all of the refineries are in pristine pre-war condition. LOL

 

[chess9]

EXman:

Good point! Let's see, that would be about $265 per gallon, more or less if they were using the old "math". Does DOD have people overseeing these contracts who flunked out of high school? Unfortunately, the same people approving these sweetheart deals end up working for defense contractors after they leave DOD. (subject to the waiting period)

-Robert

 

[CaptnKirk]

No, my contention is that they are not concerned with restoring the In-Country refinement capability of Iraq
as ther is more proffit to be made by exporting the crude, and lightly refined products to other countries,
while on the other side of the coin importing - for proffit - refined product from adjacent countries, and
passing a high percent of the cost to our taxpayers through their under the table sweetheart deals.

The obsolete, damaged, or looted parts could have been replaced easily by now - if they really cared about Iraqi People.
They have only had 6 months to bring in the hardware that they already know - by inventory, needs replacement.
That part of the world is crawling with Oil Companies - supplies and equipment, don't you think that they could have
replaced known parts with like parts from the region if they wanted to ? There are companies that can go into
Petrochemical Refineries and update and retrofit equipment in weeks, it dosen't take months or years when desired.

I happen to know the VP of this one STARCON

 

[Corn]

I don't know why I waste my time replying to you, it's like a train wreck, I don't want to watch, but I'm compelled.....

Neither you nor I know the extent of the damage to Iraq's oil refineries. As evidenced by the fact that some are operating one would conclude that those had no significant damage. Stating with certainty that a significantly damaged plant could be repaired within weeks is simply based upon ignorance. You have absolutely no idea what shape the Iraqi oil refinery system is in to make any such contention. You are simplly guessing and presenting your guesses as some sort of fact.

We don't care about the Iraq people or else their entire refinery infrastructure would have been completely rebuilt by now, because it's well known that you can rebuild refineries in a matter of weeks.

Utter hogwash!!

But because I may question these supposed "facts", it merely proves that I don't know "diddly". I know, that's the first thing you said to me in this thread. Of course you've got an inside track on all of this because you've got a buddy who works at Starcon.

Hey, I've got a link straight to God, therefore I must know it all! Bwhahahahaha!

 

[Turkish]

Originally posted by: drewshin
another thing i noticed is that although gas from kuwait is $2.65 a gallon, halliburton is only charging $1.22 a gallon for gas from turkey? i would think gas from turkey would be much more expensive because you've got a slightly longer distance and it's a more dangerous area to transport gas through.

maybe the kuwaitis are just better businessmen than the turks heh heh, but something definitely doesn't seem right.

if you think transporting gas through turkey is more dangerous than transporting it through kuwait, you are out of your mind.

 

[earthman]

This would be funny if it weren't so sad. This country has the 2nd largest oil reserves in the world, and we have to pay to import gas there. Why are we even doing this? Why are we paying so much? Isn't there a budget problem here? Don't we have issues here to deal with?

 

[Corn]

Why would it take $300M and over one year.....

.....to complete a moderate capacity increase for one of our own domestic refineries. Kirk, perhaps you could clue these morons in on how they could perform this task in mere weeks.

 

[CaptnKirk]

They would have to start after late March or early April to avoid working with equipment in the temperatures of winter -
That constrains their start date, then the following winter break most likely mid December 2004 and resume the major
task again in late March or early April of 2005. April 2004 to December 2004 is a realization of 8 months scheduled
work, high cost of labor with overtime, etc. They probably get a higher wage than the Iraqi's do, although the Haliburton
people in Iraq are getting more than their fair share - if one was to believe GAO reports, but who believes the Government ?

$ 300 Million - that's $ 110 Million for boosting production, and $ 190 Million for Environmental Concerns.
I don't think that there is any real 'Environmental Concerns' with Iraq and anything there, the way we just
bombed about everything that wasn't Oil related, and scattered DU across the landscape for eternity.

So, I guess that you are some kind of Suburban Michigan Oil Expert ?
Or do you just play one on Anandtech P&N ?