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U.S. Nuclear Submarine runs aground . .

Sounds bad. So is it technically running aground to brush up against the sea floor? It said 350 miles off of Guam so I imagine it was not really all that close to Guam or any other major island.
 
I bet they cannot blame this one on the person standing watch........

I guess stateing that they should have kept an eye out for it wouldn't work eighter.......

 
Originally posted by: illustri
What use are nuclear submarines anymore?

Are you joking? Nuclear subs are far more efficient than diesel subs, not to mention quiet. Nuclear subs are one of the most important parts of our navy, no other nation can match our subs.
 
Originally posted by: illustri
What use are nuclear submarines anymore?

You're so right. I can see absolutely no reason why a sub would want to hide. Oh wait, nevermind.
 
They won't run active sonar because it would defeat the stealth measures and reveal their location. They rely on knowing exactly where they are in relation to the world, with some form of inertial navigation.
I suspect it was some sort of failure in that inertial equipment that led them to believe they had sufficient clearance.
 
Originally posted by: skyking
They won't run active sonar because it would defeat the stealth measures and reveal their location. They rely on knowing exactly where they are in relation to the world, with some form of inertial navigation.
I suspect it was some sort of failure in that inertial equipment that led them to believe they had sufficient clearance.


Or maybe in an area that the know seafloor hieght had changed after the quake that triggered the tsunami ?

Maybe they were a little more than 350 from Guam.

Seems I recall that there was a sub operation in the Indian Ocean Arena when the quake happened
 
Originally posted by: illustri
What use are nuclear submarines anymore?

What do you mean? As opposed to Diesel powered? Or just Subs in general. Check out Janes for a
definitive answer to that.

There's somehing strange here. U.S. subs just don't run aground. I mean, presumably they have such niceties as sonar and the like to monitor for any obstructions. 😉

Here's a relevant article
 
Originally posted by: illustri
What use are nuclear submarines anymore?
Let me guess, you think that since the Cold War is over we no longer need them. Golly, maybe you are right. I guess we should melt them all down and build thousands and thousands of VW Micro Buses. Then we can all drive around singing Crosby Stills Nash & Young while handing out flowers and soy burgers to all the wonderful people out there who would never ever want to kill us.

 
Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Originally posted by: skyking
They won't run active sonar because it would defeat the stealth measures and reveal their location. They rely on knowing exactly where they are in relation to the world, with some form of inertial navigation.
I suspect it was some sort of failure in that inertial equipment that led them to believe they had sufficient clearance.


Or maybe in an area that the know seafloor hieght had changed after the quake that triggered the tsunami ?

Maybe they were a little more than 350 from Guam.

Seems I recall that there was a sub operation in the Indian Ocean Arena when the quake happened

As far as I know, they don't routinely operate at speed without a significant clearance, and the ocean floor did not move that far. If it did though, that would be a heck of way to discover a new seamount. OUCH.
 
Originally posted by: skyking
Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Originally posted by: skyking
They won't run active sonar because it would defeat the stealth measures and reveal their location. They rely on knowing exactly where they are in relation to the world, with some form of inertial navigation.
I suspect it was some sort of failure in that inertial equipment that led them to believe they had sufficient clearance.


Or maybe in an area that the know seafloor hieght had changed after the quake that triggered the tsunami ?

Maybe they were a little more than 350 from Guam.

Seems I recall that there was a sub operation in the Indian Ocean Arena when the quake happened

As far as I know, they don't routinely operate at speed without a significant clearance, and the ocean floor did not move that far. If it did though, that would be a heck of way to discover a new seamount. OUCH.

It appears the Sea floor moved from 400 to 1100 feet depending on the location.

The Mapping ships are in full swing scoping the entire Coastline around the Indian Ocean and will work their way towards to center to get a new picture of the sea bed.

It's very apparent the Earth is slowly getting smaller as the core cools.

This will result in a good chunk of land mass going back underwater in addition to the Polar Ice melts.



 
Originally posted by: arsbanned
Really? Link?

1-6-2005 Cartographers Redrawing Maps After Tsunami

WASHINGTON - Water depths in parts of the Straits of Malacca, one of the world's busiest shipping channels off the coast of Sumatra, reached about 4,000 feet before last month's tsunami. Now, reports are coming in of just 100 feet ? too dangerous for shipping, if proved true.

A U.S. spy imagery agency is working around the clock to gather information, warn mariners and begin the time-consuming task of recharting altered coastlines and ports throughout the region.

In another area of tsunami-effected waters, a merchant marine ship has logged that the depth was cut from 3,855 feet to just 92 feet.

Among other international operations, the Navy is sending two ships to begin efforts to rechart the waters. One, the USNS John McDonnell, could arrive by next week. It is expected to be followed by the newer USNS Mary Sears, which is awaiting final orders to head out from Japan. On board will be sonar, a dozen scientists and 34-foot vessels used to rechart the shipping channels.

 
Originally posted by: Mungo Jerry
Originally posted by: illustri
What use are nuclear submarines anymore?
Let me guess, you think that since the Cold War is over we no longer need them. Golly, maybe you are right. I guess we should melt them all down and build thousands and thousands of VW Micro Buses. Then we can all drive around singing Crosby Stills Nash & Young while handing out flowers and soy burgers to all the wonderful people out there who would never ever want to kill us.

thats the funniest thing i have ever read in P&N 😀
 
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: arsbanned
Really? Link?

1-6-2005 Cartographers Redrawing Maps After Tsunami

WASHINGTON - Water depths in parts of the Straits of Malacca, one of the world's busiest shipping channels off the coast of Sumatra, reached about 4,000 feet before last month's tsunami. Now, reports are coming in of just 100 feet ? too dangerous for shipping, if proved true.

A U.S. spy imagery agency is working around the clock to gather information, warn mariners and begin the time-consuming task of recharting altered coastlines and ports throughout the region.

In another area of tsunami-effected waters, a merchant marine ship has logged that the depth was cut from 3,855 feet to just 92 feet.

Among other international operations, the Navy is sending two ships to begin efforts to rechart the waters. One, the USNS John McDonnell, could arrive by next week. It is expected to be followed by the newer USNS Mary Sears, which is awaiting final orders to head out from Japan. On board will be sonar, a dozen scientists and 34-foot vessels used to rechart the shipping channels.

OK ty. I was moreso referring to this:
This will result in a good chunk of land mass going back underwater in addition to the Polar Ice melts.
I just watched The Day After Tomorrow so I wanted to know how long we have. 😛
 
Originally posted by: arsbanned

OK ty. I was moreso referring to this:
This will result in a good chunk of land mass going back underwater in addition to the Polar Ice melts.

Oh, that was the previous link above in thread where the Earth picked up .3 seconds in speed due to less mass because of the quake.

Less Mass, less land, more water covering existing land.

Of course there are some (mainly the Rich Elite) that refuse to see the melting Ice as well. They will be forced to see it at some point though.
 
A change in mass from a simple movement of the mass would seem to violate the basic premise of Archimedes Principle. I call BS on the theory that there is less mass. Besides that, the earth is growing and not shrinking. Most elements enlarge as they heat up. Considering Earth is a closed energy system with external sources of energy continually bombarding it, I doubt that man's intrusion upon the environment has really done much of anything compared to natural forces. One earthquake can easily unleash more energy than the collective nuclear arsenals of the world.
 
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: arsbanned

OK ty. I was moreso referring to this:
This will result in a good chunk of land mass going back underwater in addition to the Polar Ice melts.

Oh, that was the previous link above in thread where the Earth picked up .3 seconds in speed due to less mass because of the quake.

Less Mass, less land, more water covering existing land.

Of course there are some (mainly the Rich Elite) that refuse to see the melting Ice as well. They will be forced to see it at some point though.

The mass of the earth did not change. Its moment of inertia did.
 
well, its stinks that 1 died...but at least it was only one and the ship recovered from it. i cant imagine the horror of running aground while in a sub.

im also guessing the area might not be particularly accurate on purpose. of course, the crash might already, by nature, signal their location. i know nothing about the nature of sub-stealthy strategy.
 
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