U.S. Navy ship attacked!

[dolphins]

Dont declare war and make terrorist attacks and there would be no need to jam guns in anyone's face.

kind of like telling the bosnians "hey if youd only get out of the country we wouldnt have to kill you"

no human being would stand for what they go through...all israel wants is the complete and utter annihiliation of the palestinian people regardless of how long it takes... oh and by the way they have been kicking out christians and muslims alike from jerusalem for a decade now..in their eyes possesion is all that counts and whether by pressure or killing they are getting their way.. the US media for too long has skewed the picture sort of like the way that they skew republican views in politics. ive said my peace have a nice day hopefully the wool will be pulled from your eyes one day. thanks and have a nice day it was a nice discussion.

 

[DABANSHEE]

WTF

 

[FlashG]

dolphins

Sometimes you do make sense.

Personally I have felt that we might be on the wrong side on the Jew/Palestine issue for over a decade now.

I am not anti anyone but the Far Eastern Mediterranean peoples have been at each others throat for millennia now. I don?t think that the United States can change that very much. But if we have to we can make an impact. Even if that particular impact involves high explosives.

 

[DABANSHEE]

Really the prime reason that Americans are terrorist targets is because of their unconditional support of the racist zionist state of Israel.

No wonder all Trumens Middle East advisors advised him not to support Israel - "in 1947 the heads of U.S diplomatic missions in the Middle East (from French Nth Africa to British India) convened in Washington, D.C. to advise President Harry Truman against the division of Palestine, saying it would result in a bloodbath in the short run and major problems for the U.S. in the Middle East in the long run. They were right,as history has proven. But President Truman?s reply at the time was, "I am sorry gentlemen, but I have to answer to hundreds of thousands who are anxious for the success of Zionism. I do not have hundreds of thousands of Arabs among my constituents"(Curtiss, 76).

 

[Finality]

Lock this thread its not hardware related!

Lol. Gotta love this forum.

 

[Frenchie]

Someone has broken-record syndrome.

 

[FettsBabe]

Well said Frenchie!

 

[JellyBaby]

I just heard the news (CNN.com). This is tragic and my heart goes out to the families who lost sons and daughters aboard the Cole. Terrorism is indeed cowardly and I hope they find out who was behind the attack and bring them to justice.

Actually, I almost expected something like this to happen. Oftentimes during a US election cycle, tenions in the middle east/persian gulf region build up. And the israeli situation just added fuel to the flames. Lets just hope no more idiocy occurs.

 

[FaultCode]

My best freind and brother-in-law is the deck officer on the USS Cole! The Navy is not telling us who was killed and/or missing!

Update: Well it looks like my bro is not one of the 5 dead. They have notified those families and passed us up. He still may be missing which could be just as bad.

 

[Pod]

It's high time to stop playing nice and get down to business. Really. America has taken s h i t for too long from all these goatfu(ker countries over there. I'd say it's time to make some parking lots...
:disgust:

 

[etech]

I served on a DDG for 3 and a half years when I was in the Navy. I would also like to add my request for thoughts and prayers for the dead, the wounded in their suffering and the families that are anxiously awaiting news of their loved ones.


I also say that whoever committed, planned or assisted in any way with this atrocity has earned my animosity forever. Whatever their aim and goals, I will work to thwart them in any way that I can. Their enemies are now my allies. Sailors remember their fallen shipmates.

 

[Czar]

AndrewR
soldiers are not there to die. They are there to kill and destroy

Ok, who do soldiers kill?

Soldiers are there to defend right, so if your soldiers must kill someone then there must be someone there defending, and that must be other soldiers.

Soldiers are not expendable, it should be on the otherhand expected that every ONCE in a WHILE to die. Being a soldier is not the safest job in the world you know.

 

[Tripleshot]

etech

Please permit me to join you in your sentiments. Those are my exact feelings. I support you 110% in those feelings of sorrow,remorse,compassion and anger.

 

[zippy]

This brings a whole new meaning to suicide bombing! :Q

We need to figure out who sent those fvckers to blow a whole in that ship...then we simply kick ass and chew bubble gum...assuming we are out of bubble gum. If only it was that simple.

 

[CommunistParadise]

thats whats gonna happen if we keep being the "world police"

 

[XL]

Adul
They did not want to make Suddam a marter.

Cosmo

<< So when you piss people off by trying to be world police using your armed forces abroad the affected people should not retaliate. >>

What a stupid F^cking question.Maybe they should just kill all americans for being the world police.

Czar

<< So you think the US can attack whoever they like but no one can attack you. >>


What terrorist has the US attacked that didn't deserve it.
DABANSHEE


<< they dont have every right to blow up Americans ships, but you can understand why they do it. >>

I don't understand shjt


<< Of course Arabs have every right to kill Americans while the Israelis killing them are financed by the US >>

F^ck Arabs
ulfwald


<< We just pull the US forces out of every other country, cut off all foriegn aid, call in all the debts owed to us. Then we pull out of NATO, and let these other nations fend for themselves. >>

This I agree with.Let'em Die by thier own hands.

Rado45


<< I'm not american but I do think that I'm entitled to my opinion. >>


I don't think so.

<< Maybe the US is pushing its will a bit too hard on the rest of the world, >>

Shutup

 

[Doomguy]

DABANSHEE: You should respect the US since they saved Australia from the Japenese in WWII. Australia's navy would have had no chance

 

[Czar]

XL

I can name a few attacks your army has made and that without the target being a terrorist

 

[AndrewR]

<< I am not familiar with this class. Looks awfully familiar to the Spruance-type hull with its boxy, modular superstructure (modified in the Ticonderoga class cruisers). That is a very large hull (>7000 tons as opposed to the 3500 tons of a Sheffield class destroyer) and therefore able to withstand quite a blast before sinking becomes unavoidable. >>


Denis: Arleigh Burke destroyers are basically mini-Ticonderogas. Vertical Launch Missiles with Aegis radar; Standard missiles, Tomahawks, and Harpoons. 76mm cannon on the front (looks like it at any rate -- one of those rapid firing ones). Not sure about helicopter capability but probably a pad with no hangar (too lazy to look at my books). They displace 9000 tons -- keep in mind that the Sheffields are quite old as they were used in the Falklands. Exocet :Q.

The boxy hulls are intentional in that they are designed to be modular. The weapons systems and primary electronics can be exchanged out for newer models without having to rework the entire hull and superstructure, assuming they are smart enough to use standard specifications (I wouldn't put it past military contractors to not do so...). I'm not sure how much that has been used in practice though. It probably also makes repairing battle damage easier (though a huge hole in the side is a little different).

 

[etech]

Destroyers

 

[MrsSkywalker]

I started to cry when I heard this story. I just keep thining about all the mothers, fathers, wives, and children that are sitting at home knowing that they will never see their child, spouse, or parent again. Also the loved ones of those still missing, waiting for the phone to ring with any news. I can't even imagine that pain. And what's worse is that this wasn't some intrusive mission to reshape a country or but into a civil war...this was just a trip to the harbor to get gas. My heart goes out to the fmily and I'll say a prayer for all involved.




Now, we need to get those bastards.:|

 

[Laz]

Nice logic there Frenchie, I guess the Palestinians should just sit back and allow themselves to be stripped of all rights. It's always easier for those with power, who are doing the oppressing, to claim the oppressed started the action by an act of terrorism. When the scales are so far off balance, such as in this situation, The side that is doing the oppressing can always claim that they are simply reacting to terrorist threats. The real problem is that the U.S and yourself do not see the Act of oppressing an entire race as a violation of a peoples rights, but rather as an act of self defence. I also see such actions as racist (yes that famous 6 letter word, not your actions, but rather those of the said oppressive government), I believe it fits into the definition rater nicely. I am surprized by your view since I know you are a lawyer and I assumed you would see the situation for what it was, rather than what the media try to portray it as.

The bottom line is this, by definining the act of occupying a territory as an act of self defence, rather than a violation of peoples rights, it becomes imposibble to argue that any action against such an occupying force is justifiable. My real problem with this is why don't you view the occupation as a violation against peoples rights, after all the U.N has, and has in fact passed a few resolutions, but I don't see the U.S army enforcing such resolutions or any embargoes against the oppressive state, and in fact the U.S provides aid to them, I believe to the tune of half of all aid that the U.S provides each year(I assume the U.S is simply using tax dollers here to aid starving children). Could it be that it's because it's only the Palestinians who are being oppressed, and after all I can see from news footage, they are all a bunch of turban wearing Arab terrorists anyway (no offence intended, just trying to emphasize a point). It's always easier for those doing the oppressing to state they are simply protecting their way of life, or the status quo, and any uprissing against such as an act as terrorism, but what are their options?

I can go on here forever, but I'll spare all of you my Liber-rants (Yes another bleeding heart Liberal Canadian, and yes I did cry when I heard Treudeu died), as I don't think it will change anbody's view, nor should it. The bottom line is that everyone's view is shaped from their own personal experiences and their surrounding environment, the problem here is that growing up in the U.S, or Canada, for that matter, our environment is very isolated and most of our experiences are basically what we are told on the 6:00 o'clock News (11:00 for those of us that are alowed to stay up that late).

 

[Opinionated]

Not to insult anyone in this thread, but I don't believe that most of you truly appreciate what is really going on in Israel. It is a horribly complicated issue.

The only thing I will address here is the UN.

Israel does not trust the UN, and I don't blame them. The UN has consistently been biased against Israel and toward their Arab neighbors since practically the beginning.

Why do you think that the Multinational Force and Observers (a NON UN organization) monitors the border (and buffer zones) between Egypt and Israel.... because the UN would not act as an honest broker in the peace accord between the two countries.

I don't trust the UN further than I can throw them (and I wish we could toss the whole corrupt bunch of them out of our country). The UN has NO credibility when it comes to dealing with peace issues between Israel and her Arab neighbors.

Now could we all agree to take the Israeli/Palestinian discussion to another thread?

We now have a confirmed 6 dead US sailors, and those men/women (and the missing/injured) don't deserve to have this thread polluted with arguements on a totally unrelated subject. Please.

Opinionated

 

[BLACKBEARD]

To the family's and loved ones of the killed and injured I extend my deepest sympathies. May their sacrifice have not been in vain.

Johnk

 

[DABANSHEE]

DABANSHEE: You should respect the US since they saved Australia from the Japenese in WWII. Australia's navy would have had no chance

You really have no idea what went on in the south Pacific, Australian Troops had already started to push the Nips back in New Guinea, before any Americans arrived. Besides the Japanese themselves siad that the 9th division 2nd AIF troops they fought against in New Guinea were the best troops they ever fought against, because they were veterans of Tobruk &amp; had spent 2 years fighting the Italians &amp; the German African Korp in Nth Africa. Even MacArthur said that his inexperianced troops should train with the AIF so some of their battle hardened experiance would rubb off.

I respect the US Navy because of the marvalous job they are doing bring sight back to thousands of East-Timorese, running what some have termed the greatest current cateract clinics in the world. I also think they did an amazing job getting 4000 marines on the island in one afternoon, when it took Australia about 3 weeks or something to get 4000 troops on East-Timor, even though East-Timor is right next to Australia.

All I'm saying is that I can understand why the American military are targets, while the US has been giving unconditional backing to Israel &amp; paying for the bullets that are killing Palestinian kids.