U.S. may soon recognize Israel's "sovereignty" over Syrian Golan

[FIVR]

Bibi just bought his apartheid regime some legitimacy to their extraterritorial claims. Everything is for sale here in Trump's America, including territories of whatever shithole country you'd like to pay for. Send your $ to Michael Cohen and you too could own a piece of Syria.



http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/u...ty-over-golan-israeli-minister-says-388907294

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Bibi just bought his apartheid regime some legitimacy to their extraterritorial claims. Everything is for sale here in Trump's America, including territories of whatever shithole country you'd like to pay for. Send your $ to Michael Cohen and you too could own a piece of Syria.



http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/u...ty-over-golan-israeli-minister-says-388907294

Good. Whoever winds up owning Syria will do a better job than Syria is doing with it.

 

[FIVR]

Good. Whoever winds up owning Syria will do a better job than Syria is doing with it.

Israel occupies the territory already, so there is no real change. No other country recognizes this territory as Israel's and there are numerous UN resolutions stating as much including some the US have ratified.


All this does is make the US look even more like a ridiculous puppet of the Zionist regime. Which is fine, I guess.... we need to lose all the credibility we possibly can ASAP for the sake of the planet. Once the whole world turns against us they will have the means to excise the conservatives and their Israeli puppet government.

 

[theeedude]

If Putin bribes him enough, Trump will recognize the annexation of Crimea too.

 

[FIVR]

It doesn't seem that Israel really pays for these things with money. It's more a geo-political favors in exchange for political favors from pro-Israel politicians like Schumer.

I think also because Israel is so entrenched in American politics it is more "acceptable" to offer concessions to the Israeli apartheid regime than it is Putin's regime.

 

[Jaskalas]

If Putin bribes him enough, Trump will recognize the annexation of Crimea too.

How would one resolve that anyhow? Tell the Russians of Crimea they are now the property of Ukraine? Build a wall on the southern Russian border and deport them all? Maybe having the people there gaining the authority of an independent sate would do justice and "resolve" it, but I dare say the outcome would very much be the same.

We should hold Crimea over Russia for the foreseeable future, but I'm not sure what purpose it serves other than to remind ourselves that the cold war has resumed.

 

[Jaskalas]

Given the history of the Golan Heights, Syria lost that territory in combat. Israel has, repeatedly, offered the return of the territory in exchange for closer and more formal ties with Syria. In particular: the ejection of Iran from Syria and certain other peace agreements. Given the current status of Syria, and Turkey occupying parts of the North, there is no reason to single out Israel's multi-decade long hold over Golan.

It may be too late to ever discuss giving the territory back given the ruin Syria now finds itself in.

The most important question for anyone's land is this: Who lives there? If Russians live in Crimea, and Israelis live in Golan Heights. Then the act of not forcing deportation and relocation must be the highest priority. The people of a land define what it "is". It is not for outsiders to tell them who they are, or that they should be forcibly removed.

 

[sdifox]

Lol, like Israel cares about international law.

 

[Jhhnn]

Israel has, repeatedly, offered the return of the territory in exchange for closer and more formal ties with Syria. I

Citation needed.

 

[woolfe9998]

Citation needed.

It happened under Rabin in 1993:

https://www.nytimes.com/1993/09/06/...d-ready-to-negotiate-about-golan-heights.html

Ehud Barak in 2000:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-14724842

Under Olmert in 2007:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/jun/09/syria.israel

Netanyahi had already agreed to it in 2010, but then all bets were off after the uprising against Assad:

https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4291337,00.html

If you read the wiki on the Golan Heights, it also mentions that a similar offer was made all the way back in 1967, right after the armistice that ended that war.

 

[Jhhnn]

It happened under Rabin in 1993:

https://www.nytimes.com/1993/09/06/...d-ready-to-negotiate-about-golan-heights.html

Ehud Barak in 2000:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-14724842

Under Olmert in 2007:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/jun/09/syria.israel

Netanyahi had already agreed to it in 2010, but then all bets were off after the uprising against Assad:

https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4291337,00.html

If you read the wiki on the Golan Heights, it also mentions that a similar offer was made all the way back in 1967, right after the armistice that ended that war.

Don't fall for the Hasbara. If you believe that Bibi & the settlers will return the Golan under any circumstances short of Syria taking it back you're delusional. If Trump recognizes Israeli sovereignty over the area it will just end the bullshit notion that they might.

 

[woolfe9998]

Don't fall for the Hasbara. If you believe that Bibi & the settlers will return the Golan under any circumstances short of Syria taking it back you're delusional. If Trump recognizes Israeli sovereignty over the area it will just end the bullshit notion that they might.

You asked for citations. I gave them to you. NYT and BBC are sources I generally consider credible. You can interpret the information how you see fit.

 

[Jhhnn]

You asked for citations. I gave them to you. NYT and BBC are sources I generally consider credible. You can interpret the information how you see fit.

Don't be a chump. We both know it's all bullshit with Bibi in charge. I mean, wtf do you think? That bombing Syria indicates a willingness to negotiate at all?

 

[woolfe9998]

Don't be a chump. We both know it's all bullshit with Bibi in charge. I mean, wtf do you think? That bombing Syria indicates a willingness to negotiate at all?

I'm confused as to how I'm being a "chump." You asked for citations to back up another poster's assertion and I provided them. Those examples started with offers made by three other Israeli PM's. Yet you're pretending that there was only a discussion of Netanyahu making an offer. So far as Netanyahu himself, multiple sources back the claim that Netanyahu engaged in a US brokered negotiation with Assad in 2010, but that no final deal was ever reached because of the uprising in Syria. I personally can't stand Netanyahu, but I have no reason to disbelieve NYT and other publications who have reported on it.

https://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/13/...peace-talks-involved-golan-heights-exit.html?

Don't worry. It isn't all that flattering to Netanyahu. He more recently said Israel would never give up the Golan Heights.

Like I said, if you choose to disbelieve what is in those articles, that's your prerogative.

 

[Jhhnn]

Those examples started with offers made by three other Israeli PM's.

Heh. They start with stories claiming that such offers were made when there's no concrete evidence that they actually were. Like this-

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/jun/08/syria.israel1