U.S. looks to export drone technology to allies

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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Defense Secretary Robert Gates said on Thursday he hoped to export coveted U.S. drone technology to allies, despite legal hurdles, and played down the threat from rival drone programs in nations like Iran.
Gates, testifying at a Senate hearing, said it was in the U.S. interest to try to help friendly nations get drone technology, despite limitations on exports imposed by an international pact.
"There are other countries that are very interested in this capability and frankly it is, in my view, in our interest to see what we can do to accommodate them," Gates said.
The drones have proven to be a crucial technological advantage for the U.S. military in Afghanistan and Iraq, allowing it to remotely track and kill insurgents and giving troops eyes-in-the-sky battleground imagery in real time.
The CIA has used drones armed with missiles to ramp up its covert campaign to kill al Qaeda and Taliban targets in Pakistan.
"The reality is so far we have been in situations where (drone) technology cannot be used, or has not been used against our troops anywhere," Gates said.
But that might not remain the case, he said. He cited Iran, which he has said is providing limited support to Afghan insurgents, and which is developing unmanned aerial vehicles, or UAVs.
"Iran has UAVs and that is a concern because it is one of those areas where I suppose if they chose to, in both Iraq and Afghanistan, they could create difficulties for us," Gates said.
Still, he called UAVs "relatively slow flyers" that could be neutralized by the Air Force if they threatened U.S. forces.
"I actually think our ability to protect our troops from these things particularly in a theater of combat like this is actually quite good," he said.
Militant groups, as opposed to other countries, were a bigger concern when it came to the spread of drone technology.
"My worry would be capabilities like this getting into the hands of non-state actors who could use them for terrorist purposes," Gates said.
PENT-UP DEMAND
The U.S. aerospace industry estimated in December that U.S. military demand for unmanned aircraft would double over the next five years after rising 600 percent since 2004. It is also hoping for growth abroad.
The industry wants to change the Missile Technology Control Regime, or MTCR, a pact among at least 34 countries aimed at curbing the spread of unmanned delivery systems that could be used for weapons of mass destruction.
Gates said he shared concerns of lawmakers about the spread of the technology to adversaries and "about these capabilities getting into the hands of those who are our adversaries."
But he also said the United States had only sold UAVs to Italy and Britain so far.
"With respect to export ... I think there are some specific cases where we have allies with whom we have formal treaty alliances who have expressed interest in these capabilities," he said.
"And we have told them that we are limited in what we can do by the MTCR, but I think it's something we need to pursue with them."
Northrop Grumman's Global Hawk, which provides surveillance capabilities, has drawn interest from countries including South Korea, Japan and Singapore as well as Britain, Spain and Canada, a company spokeswoman said in December.
Washington announced plans to give Pakistan surveillance drones but Islamabad also wants shoot-and-kill drones, like the Predator, which may be armed with Hellfire missiles.

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I will take my comments from this guy:

Comrade Castro publicly praising his soul-mate, Obama, in print today. Obama humiliating (trying to, anyway) one of our best allies, Netanyahu. Now he wants to export some of our best technology to help facilitate the weakening of our military advantage in the world!
 

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Most of those countries already have competing drone programs.

It seems Obama wants to reach out to all our allies except Israel - the only country Iran has verbally and physically threatened with violence.

Seems bizarre for Obama to release drone technology to South Korea (how the eff does that solve iran issue?!) yet deny shipments of Apache helicopters to Israel.
 

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Seems bizarre for Obama to release drone technology to South Korea (how the eff does that solve iran issue?!) yet deny shipments of Apache helicopters to Israel.
It would be strange if Obama did deny shipments of Apache helicopters to Israel, but he hasn't.
 

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At times it is difficult to take Obama's critics seriously when even things like this somehow cause outrage.
 

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It would be strange if Obama did deny shipments of Apache helicopters to Israel, but he hasn't.


http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/136660

I made a thread about it awhile ago.

Obama also blocked a request asking for a new round of JDAM kits (300 I think) and bunker-buster bombs.

Not strange for Obama, since he is the most pro-Muslim President since Carter, but certainly strange if one is sincerely trying to disarm Iran.
 

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0bama poops on friendly nations. Maybe Obama will send drones to his best good buddy Uncle Hugo.
 

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I didn't see your thread, but a religious extremist news site alluding to an unsourced claim from a neocon think tank doesn't rightly prove anything.

Obama also blocked a request asking for a new round of JDAM kits (300 I think) and bunker-buster bombs.
While I've yet to see a credible source to support that claim either, it wouldn't be strange for US policy in general, as not even the Cheney administration wouldn't give Israel the means to bomb Iran.

0bama poops on friendly nations.
Thinking of a country who's Prime Minster gloats about our misfortune as a friend is just pitiful.
 

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Now he wants to export some of our best technology to help facilitate the weakening of our military advantage in the world!

Most of our major allies have their own drone programs. Some are as good or even better than what we have in service like Israels new drones. We loose nothing by exporting drones to friendly countries but if we don't someone else will and they get the $$$.

Or its a conspiracy by Obama to weaken the US.
 

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I didn't see your thread, but a religious extremist news site alluding to an unsourced claim from a neocon think tank doesn't rightly prove anything.

Religious extremist news?

You outright dismissed a widely-covered news story.

CNN:

http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-421788

Is that religious extremist news backed by a "neocon" think tank? Anymore buzzwords left?

While I've yet to see a credible source to support that claim either, it wouldn't be strange for US policy in general, as not even the Cheney administration wouldn't give Israel the means to bomb Iran.

Obama's denying Israel standard JDAM kits that we have been selling to the state for years. They are necessary for long-scale bombing campaigns, but we never had an issue selling them to Israel or anyone else until Obama.

Surprise.

Thinking of a country who's Prime Minster gloats about our misfortune as a friend is just pitiful.

Gloating? I agree with the Prime Minister. 9/11 adjusted American foreign policy (to an extent) that saw terrorism not as a marginal or secondary happening but a real problem affecting many nations, including our historic and natural allies.

The PM isn't saying the events themselves were not good, but the effects it had on the leadership were.

There are more 9/11 memorials in Israel than any other country outside the US. Guess which country America went to AFTER 9/11?

Israel. All our airports have hired Israeli counter-terrorist specialists to deal with threats. Our military trains with Israeli counter-terror specialists, and we have purchased billions in special Israeli technology designed to save lives.

Yet you obsess over a questionable comment made by leader of a bonafide ally, while the chosen people - the Palestinians - danced in the street following 9/11. In Gaza you can purchase little toys that show the twin towers burning.

And, 15 of the 19 9/11 hijackers were Saudi.

You know, a country we've been protecting for the last 80 years.
 

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All we got to sell is .mil tech and maybe phama because all the Germans and Swiss relocated here for tax reasons. Get it while gettin is good.

America is a shell of what she once was.:(
 

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Religious extremist news?

You outright dismissed a widely-covered news story.

CNN:

http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-421788

Is that religious extremist news backed by a "neocon" think tank?
No, it's some person's blog which says right at the top "not vetted by CNN".

Obama's denying Israel standard JDAM kits that we have been selling to the state for years.
Source? I know Israel just "bought" some C-130s on our taxpayer dime.

Gloating? I agree with the Prime Minister.
Yeah, I figured you would, as you share his insistence in continuing to provoke animosity though Israel's ongoing colonization of what little of Palestine is left. As for our propping up the Saudis, I'm not fond of that either.
 
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We've already got the Joint Strike Fighter going with a lot of our allies, and that was coordinated from the start. Why not have a Joint Strike Drone project?

And I foresee that once China starts a new cold war America will become a little harder. 9/11 showed how we unite under genuine threats, even if it's after the fact. The American people aren't inherently weak, just relatively complacent for the moment. There is no Patriotism or Nationalism because (unfortunately) few see a current need for it; and we don't shove it down our population's throats like some other countries.
 

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No, it's some person's blog which says right at the top "not vetted by CNN".


Source? I know Israel just "bought" some C-130s on our taxpayer dime.

Ah, more denial.

TV Europa is an online Web-based TV focused on the European Union and World News.

Burden of proof rests on you troll. Find me a source discrediting said information, or admit you were wrong.



Yeah, I figured you would, as you share his insistence in continuing to provoke animosity though Israel's ongoing colonization of what little of Palestine is left. As for our propping up the Saudis, I'm not fond of that either.
Yeah, I totally demolished your bogus "colonization" Pallywood propaganda many posts before, which you dubiously avoided.

Obama treating allies worst than enemies:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...th-Michelle-and-the-girls-Israelis-claim.html

What a joke.

Not surprising though. He snubbed Britain and botched a 100+ year relationship, he abandoned eastern europe in favor of buddying up with russia, protecting the arab tribes in the UN and selling them more weapons, and now he treats behaves like a child towards our most historic and reliable ally.

What a fuckin troll.
 

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Northrop Grumman's Global Hawk, which provides surveillance capabilities, has drawn interest from countries including South Korea, Japan and Singapore as well as Britain, Spain and Canada, a company spokeswoman said in December.

I don't understand why the US will export military technology to countries like the UK. They are a future enemy. We will be at war with them, it's only a matter of time. Our government is no longer dominated by irrational, race-based support for UK (and European) governments. The US will be bombing Buckingham Palace, Big Ben, etc. and executing their inbred Royal Family in WW3.

Even the teeth-decayed limeys recognize this.

Special relationship between UK and US is over
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8590767.stm

We need to be preparing for war against countries like the UK, not helping them advance from their technologically-depressed monarchy.
 

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I don't understand why the US will export military technology to countries like the UK. They are a future enemy. We will be at war with them, it's only a matter of time. Our government is no longer dominated by irrational, race-based support for UK (and European) governments. The US will be bombing Buckingham Palace, Big Ben, etc. and executing their inbred Royal Family in WW3.

Even the teeth-decayed limeys recognize this.

Special relationship between UK and US is over
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8590767.stm

We need to be preparing for war against countries like the UK, not helping them advance from their technologically-depressed monarchy.
You aren't "We" idiot and "We" aren't preparing to fight our friends.
 

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I wonder what your decision will be when the times comes. Will your loyalties lie here, or with the Queen?
Well like most Americans I'm not butt sore like you about past history and our history with them after the Civil War is pretty damn good and mutually helpful.
You'll find that most Americans have pretty warm feelings towards Western Europeans and not so much towards the Paks and the Indians. Probably due to our similar cultures with the Western Europeans and how the Paks and Indian Cultures seem rather strange and barbaric even if in reality that's not the case, just the perception. The odds of us taking up arms against them is much much higher than us taking up arms against the Brits and Western Euros
 

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Well like most Americans I'm not butt sore like you about past history and our history with them after the Civil War is pretty damn good and mutually helpful.
You'll find that most Americans have pretty warm feelings towards Western Europeans and not so much towards the Paks and the Indians. Probably due to our similar cultures with the Western Europeans and how the Paks and Indian Cultures seem rather strange and barbaric even if in reality that's not the case, just the perception. The odds of us taking up arms against them is much much higher than us taking up arms against the Brits and Western Euros

lol

All you're showing here is that you're a relic of a past America. Was that supposed to insult me? Unlike you, my loyalty is with this country and society rather than some foreign Queen.

Perceptions of culture are subjective, but even at an objective stance American & European cultures are drifting apart and Americans with no irrational love for all things Europe are growing in number. The rise of the far-right supremacist groups in Europe will cement this change. If you have doubts about this, just look at our current President's foreign policy initiatives: constantly snubbing Europeans while trying to build new relationships with others.

You can cling to the past, much like the Tea Partiers. Your demographic perceives itself as losing so much power. Instead, realize that change also brings power if you join everybody else.
 

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lol

All you're showing here is that you're a relic of a past America. Was that supposed to insult me? Unlike you, my loyalty is with this country and society rather than some foreign Queen.

Perceptions of culture are subjective, but even at an objective stance American & European cultures are drifting apart and Americans with no irrational love for all things Europe are growing in number. The rise of the far-right supremacist groups in Europe will cement this change. If you have doubts about this, just look at our current President's foreign policy initiatives: constantly snubbing Europeans while trying to build new relationships with others.

You can cling to the past, much like the Tea Partiers. Your demographic perceives itself as losing so much power. Instead, realize that change also brings power if you join everybody else.
LOL, now I'm a Right Winger who has kindred spirit with the Tea Baggers.:rolleyes:

Your loyalty isn't with this country, you are obsessed with your hatred of the Europeans due to their past treatment of your ancestral home.

You can deny it but you aren't fooling anybody
 

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LOL, now I'm a Right Winger who has kindred spirit with the Tea Baggers.:rolleyes:

You're not a right winger yet, but you have the same frustration inside of you with the social and demographic changes within this country. You will likely be a right winger in the future.

Your loyalty isn't with this country, you are obsessed with your hatred of the Europeans due to their past treatment of your ancestral home.

You can deny it but you aren't fooling anybody

Your loyalty is with the color of your skin. You can deny it but you aren't fooling anybody.